The ongoing heavy-duty truck battle between Ford and Ram is showing no signs of slowing down. The Blue Oval is trying to remove at least one point of contention between the two brands by testing its 2015 F-450 Super Duty using the Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 towing standard, which Ram also uses. In the new evaluation, the F-450 is rated at a max towing capacity of 31,200 pounds. That's an identical amount as under Ford's own, previous test.

"We leave no doubt with customers that the F-450 pickup truck has best-in-class towing of 31,200 pounds – whether tested using our own internal towing standards or SAE J2807," said Raj Nair, Ford group vice president for Global Product Development, in the company's release.

At the same time, Ford is also changing how it calculates the F-450's payload. Instead of using its minimum curb weight as before, the brand is now using the truck's base curb weight. The revision lowers the pickup's rating to 5,300 pounds, compared to 5,450 pounds previously. The company said in its announcement that the reason for this is "aligning its payload rating practices with other manufacturers to make it easier for customers to compare vehicles." General Motors made a similar switch for its pickups in August.

The SAE J2807 evaluation is somewhat different from Ford's previous test, and the new standard requires about 400 pounds of additional weight in the pickup than before. Still, the towing figure is the same 31,200 pounds in each analysis. Because of the new test, the company is also re-rating the F-450's gross combined weight rating to 40,400 pounds.

Ram is already firing back with the following statement: "Ram Truck stands firm on our claims within the 350/3500 segment with best-in-class 30,000 pounds of towing capacity, best-in-class 865 lb-ft of torque and best-in-class payload of 7,390 pounds. Additionally, unlike our competitors, our entire 2015 Ram Heavy Duty line up adheres to J2807 test criteria, not just one model."

No matter where you fall in this debate, it seems like customers are getting the best out of truck makers fighting to top each other's specs. Scroll down to read Ford's complete announcement of its new figures for the F-450.
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ULTIMATE TOWING MACHINE: 2015 FORD F-450 RATED BEST-IN-CLASS USING SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS J2807 STANDARD
SEP 2, 2014 | DEARBORN, MICH.

For customers who require no-compromise towing capability, the 2015 Ford F-450 Super Duty Class 3 pickup boasts the highest rating of any pickup truck in the United States – 31,200 pounds, measured using the Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 standard

F-450 Super Duty towing capability is 2,200 pounds greater than its closest competitor's crew cab 4x4 pickup truck

Ford will rate 2015 F-Series Super Duty maximum payload using base curb weight, aligning its payload rating practices with other manufacturers to make it easier for customers to compare vehicles


Ford reaffirms the undisputed heavy-duty towing leadership of the 2015 Ford F-450 Super Duty Class 3 pickup at 31,200 pounds after testing using the Society of Automotive Engineers J2807 standard.

SAE J2807 establishes tow vehicle performance requirements against certain performance criteria to determine a truck's maximum trailer tow rating. Ford is a founding member of the J2807 committee, which includes other truck and trailer manufacturers.

"We leave no doubt with customers that the F-450 pickup truck has best-in-class towing of 31,200 pounds – whether tested using our own internal towing standards or SAE J2807," said Raj Nair, Ford group vice president, Global Product Development.

2015 Ford F-450 upgrades
Ford improved the 2015 F-450 pickup by giving it a more capable version of the F-350 frame, plus a more capable suspension and 19.5-inch wheels and tires to enable its best-in-class towing.

The F-450 pickup is available exclusively as a crew cab 4x4. The truck's J2807-certified maximum tow rating is 2,200 pounds greater than its closest competitor's crew cab 4x4 pickup.

Best-in-class towing performance is achieved with Ford's second-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke® V8 turbo diesel engine that has been developed to provide the segment's top combination of power, torque and efficiency. The Power Stroke boasts best-in-class 440 horsepower across all Super Duty pickup models – from F-250 to F-450. Super Duty also offers 860 lb.-ft. of torque for the same models.

Ford is the only heavy-duty pickup truck manufacturer that designs and builds its own diesel engine and transmission combination – from concept to execution – ensuring the powertrain will work seamlessly with all chassis components and vehicle calibrations. This approach enables Ford engineers to optimize the vehicle's performance across the entire lineup.

Ford previously determined F-450 pickup towing capacity using rigorous internal testing standards exclusively. Now it has added SAE J2807 test procedures, reaffirming the F-450 pickup rating. F-450 passed the additional tests with 31,200 pounds in tow, just as it passed Ford internal tests.

SAE J2807 requires the vehicle to be loaded with about 400 pounds more weight than Ford's internal test (two passengers instead of one, and base curb weight instead of minimum curb weight), but the weight addition has no effect on F-450 towing capacity. Using either standard, F-450 has best-in-class towing capacity of 31,200 pounds.

As a result of the J2807 test results, Ford is also increasing the F-450 pickup's already best-in-class gross combined weight rating from 40,000 pounds to 40,400 pounds – topping the nearest competitor by 2,500 pounds

Payload rating changes
Ford is migrating to the J2807 standard when it introduces all-new vehicles and will use base curb weight, rather than minimum curb weight, to determine payload ratings for all of its pickup trucks. The change will align Ford's payload rating practices with other manufacturers to make it easier for customers to compare vehicles.

Using base curb weight, maximum payload for the 2015 F-450 pickup goes from 5,450 pounds to 5,300 pounds.

As always, actual payload ratings are determined for an individual vehicle in its as-built condition at the factory. Ford F-Series Super Duty customers continue to have the flexibility to add or delete equipment to meet their specific payload needs. Each truck's unique payload rating can be found on the tire and loading label on the door frame.


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      Tariff The Imports
      • 3 Months Ago

      Ram 4500 is Class IV and only comes in chassis cab. Ram 3500 is Class III.

      F-450 is Class III and come in both chassis and pick up. I believe the F -550 is Class IV and chassis cab only. 

      It's all EPA weight based

      So it seems both companies, Fiat with the 3500 and Ford with the F-450, are indeed their top HD offerings of their pick ups. And the Ford tows more. 

      So whatever their respective assemblers model is labeled is irrelevant. 

        jtav2002
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Tariff The Imports

        It does tow more, however i wonder for how many people towing at a trucks max of 30,000lbs vs 31,200 would be that much of a deal breaker, especially for the $5,000 in increased cost the F450 would run. The pricing and flexibility in cab and other configurations of the F350 is more in line with the 3500 in that you can start both as a regular cab 2wd V8 truck starting at 30k give or take. Whereas the F450 is only available as a dual rear wheel crew cab with 4x4 and the powerstroke starting at 51k. Obviously you would need a similarly configured 3500 to have similar towing, but equipping a base model 3500 the same as what the F450 is is still 5k cheaper. I like both the trucks, it just seems the F450 is kind of a pointless model in the line up if your comparing them side by side.

          marv.shocker
          • 3 Months Ago
          @jtav2002

          Agreed. BTW, almost NO ONE tows that kind of weight with one of these trucks. You'll be hard pressed to find a 25,000 lb trailer behind one of them. 

      Carfan0893
      • 3 Months Ago

      Am I missing something here with them comparing their f450 to Ram's 3500?? Shouldn't they be comparing F350 to Ram 3500?  Isn't that kind of like comparing the Ram 1500 to the Ford f250?

        Tariff The Imports
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Carfan0893

        Ya you are. Go read my other post. 

        XT6Wagon
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Carfan0893

        yes, One company is comparing badges, the other company is using the legal definition for a class III truck.  Putting a F150 badge on a Fiesta wouldn't make it the most fuel efficient truck on the market... It would be a Fiesta with a F150 badge on it, not a truck.  Just because the badge on the side of the F450 starts with a 4 doesn't mean its not a class 3 truck like the Ram 3500. 

          MatthewL
          • 2 Months Ago
          @XT6Wagon

          If your badge starts with a 3, its should be a Class III.

          Simple, easy to understand. Not misleading.

          MatthewL
          • 2 Months Ago
          @XT6Wagon


        Alan
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Carfan0893

        ford lighter trucks has always did the job better then the others.

      mbukukanyau
      • 3 Months Ago

      When it comes to buying one of these, the most comprehensive testing is done by pickuptrucks.com's Annual HD Challenge test. They are rigorous, there is no games, no opinions, just data. 


      They do it every 3 to 4 years depending on changes in the industry. 

      george
      • 3 Months Ago

      So, Ford wins. 

      Avinash Machado
      • 3 Months Ago

      Both are great trucks.

      ebn.hahn
      • 3 Months Ago

      OKAY,  RAM can Bark all day long on how much this and how much that!!,  But when tested by "independent" group, the 2015 RAM 3500 gas an Diesel Finished Last where it "Matters" Towing power, Braking, acceleration and fuel economy....  When compared to Silverado and FORD.   Additionally,  They always sell Last in the sales race!!!!!.   So, They need The shut the F*** UP!,  they have nothing to Brag About!,  Numbers on paper Do NOT mean Jack.....

        Tariff The Imports
        • 3 Months Ago
        @ebn.hahn

        Well said. Nobody can argue with those facts. Seems the Euopean owners have turned Ram into whiners. 

        marv.shocker
        • 3 Months Ago
        @ebn.hahn
        Right…Ford's got a GREAT record with diesel engine durability. BTW…GM doesn't even come close to Ford or Dodge with its horsepower, torque or tow ratings. I'll take a Dodge Cummins 3500 (which, incidentally, Ford can only compare to with its 4500) any day of the week. It's more reliable, has fewer moving parts, and can easily be tuned to produce waaaay more RELIABLE power than the Ford.
          BodyBlue
          • 3 Months Ago
          @marv.shocker

          The Navistar Diesel unit was crap, that is why Ford designed their OWN engine (unlike Ram that does not have the money or the engineers to use their own design) that has proven very reliable.  Do you really want to talk about Chrysler reliability from 2010 when the last Navistar diesel was put in a Ford?  No?  Didn't think so.

          d.randy1
          • 2 Months Ago
          @marv.shocker

          You dodge guys are all the same. You only focus on the 6.0. What about the 2008 6.7 cummins that ate up turbos left and right? The 6.0 still out sold the cummins and duramax in it's worst years. People by dodges because they are cheaper. You get what you pay for in any industry. Cummins prior to 2008 was a good motor but the truck has always been terrible and nothing has changed in today's dodge except now the motor is just average when compared to the superior power stroke.

      beanrew
      • 3 Months Ago

      I would love a big truck. I like the size, look and capability. But as I age into my 30s and enter reality with a family to support. I must admit to myself that I will never have the lifestyle, career, or actual need to justify owning a full size truck. If I could afford it, I would. i.e. 6 months income in the bank, kids school paid for etc etc. But even when we look into ability to afford a huge truck of this caliber, how many owners are going into unnecessary debt just for the ability to look "like a man" and be able to roll coal in the face of fellow humans? 


      Argue the fact that people go into debt buying all kinds of other things and can buy what they want, freedom, blah blah blah too, but you know what I mean if you dig deep.

      marv.shocker
      • 3 Months Ago

      Here's what everyone is missing: If you tow a trailer that weighs 31,400 lbs (fifth wheel or gooseneck), the pin weight is roughly 20 percent of the trailer, or 6,240 lbs. This violates the truck's reported payload rating by nearly 1,000 lbs. Even if the pin weight is "only" 15%, that's 4,680 lbs which leaves only 620 pounds of cargo. Assuming two passengers at 150 lbs. each (which is how payload is calculated) now you've got 320 lbs of cargo capacity. Add fuel and a couple of passengers, and it's easy to see this truck would still be overloaded. Manufacturers need to either up the payload rating, or stop quoting unrealistic tow rating numbers.

        David
        • 3 Months Ago
        @marv.shocker

        If you order the MAX package on your F450 the payload rating goes up to 6850lbs.

      Ducman69
      • 3 Months Ago

      Living in Houston though, I can promise you this is moot for 99% of the owners though, that only drive these tanks because they are tanks and compensate for their tiny peckers.   Its extremely rare to see one of these trucks ever towing anything, yet alone something that approaches 50% of its capacity.

        Jarda
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Ducman69

        So I take it you know every single "pecker" around where you live, and you keep a database of their sizes. RESTECP!

        David
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Ducman69

        You have no clue to the fact that most of them have boats or RV's  behind them on some weekends

        Robert Ryan
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Ducman69

        Live in Australia, limited number of F250-F350's imported (roughly 300) Yes same thing, most do nothing others tow Caravans or 5th Wheelers

        BRYAN S
        • 3 Months Ago *Edited*
        @Ducman69

        sounds like your just a jealous douche cause you cant afford one of these so called tanks. have you ever pulled one of the owners over and asked to see his pecker ?

        yea that's what I thought.

          Ducman69
          • 3 Months Ago
          @BRYAN S

          No, but I should ask when the last time is they saw their own pecker.  Let me guess, you drive a giant truck and virtually never tow anything either? :D

        car-a-holic
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Ducman69

        Is that so? Another libtard who preaches tolerance then spews forth statements of intolerance about what you think I need/ why I want it? Is it for work? Or play? What business is it to YOU?  Who are YOU? 

         Folks like you get me heated.  Let me examine your lifestyle and needs. What are you hiding??? I'll bet your full of hypocrisies, social shame and what else have you. I'd  have enough fun blowing your cover to last me a good long while. Oh and while were at it Houston boooy,  Ill school you on your Prius in a hot spit of a minute.

          turbo.velocity
          • 3 Months Ago
          @car-a-holic

          @carpoinions

          your post is ridiculous as well. don't pride your self on post policeman yet.....


          Carpinions
          • 3 Months Ago
          @car-a-holic

          Dude, ShutTFU. There are some idiot trolls on here, but none of them talks S in comments like you do. Your keyboard must be bigger than this F-450.

      Mazdaspeed6
      • 3 Months Ago

      Ram told Ford off. Only Ram and Toyota use SAE standards across their line up so I only trust their ratings 

        David
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Mazdaspeed6

        Not true..all manufacturer's are using it for 2015. The Ford 2015's are not all out yet

          Tom
          • 3 Months Ago
          @David

          No, Ford is only using it on the 150 and 450. They left the 250 and 350 out of it!

        subman719
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Mazdaspeed6

        WHOAH horsey... Did you just say "Toyota"? That's not a TRUCK! Doesn't count here... it's a TOY!!! This test and conversation is for TRUCKS ONLY!

      Carpinions
      • 3 Months Ago

      Ram is definitely calling Ford's not-so-bluff bluff here. That SAE blast at the end was a nice little knife twist, though I'm expecting Ford to leapfrog back on torque pretty soon here. Won't change their truck's situation but for one metric.

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