• Oct 14, 2009
2010 Porsche 911 Turbo - Click above for high-res image gallery

With its new-for-2010 direct-injected, 3.8-liter turbocharged flat-six, the upgraded 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo has fired a shot across the bow of the world's supercar armada. Promising better performance, better fuel economy and better emissions, this tweaked 997 should hold the fort until the 998 appears in a couple of years.

With 20 extra horsepower motivating the lightened (by 55 pounds) all-wheel drive coupe, it should be noticeably quicker than its 2009 counterpart. How much quicker? Autocar is reporting that it's a full ten seconds faster around the Nurburgring Nordschleife than a 2009 Porsche 911 Turbo. That means the new Turbo just breaks into the 7:30s at 7m 39sec.

That still puts it behind the rival Nissan GT-R at 7:28 after former Formula One driver, Toshio Suzuki, went out and shaved more than a second off the car's previous best. Of course, Porsche still has a possible Turbo S model in the works and already produces a wicked 911 GT3 RS that can probably close the official gap between them and Godzilla.



[Source: Autocar]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      Honestly, who cares about 2 - 5 seconds on a 7.5 minute lap time? At that point, there are much more factors to consider than simply the mechanics and engineering of the automobile, (weather, luck, gravitational forces).

      Porsche still knows how to make a VERY sweet car and I'd love to own this new 997 turbo...or that Turbo S...or the GT2...or a GT3RS. And a 911 is no more trouble to insure than a GTR or Z06.

      • 5 Years Ago
      I wanna know if they got rid of those go-awful rims the 997 Turbos have come with since its inception. Those things were atrocious for a six figure car...
        • 5 Years Ago
        they got rid of them , i hated them too.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Something wrong here.

      Porsche, Corvette ZR-1, Ferrari all cost more than $100,000.00 ( seven for Enzo ) but cannot perform at Godzilla's level.

      ...and the GT-R is what 60k, has a trunk ( back seat even ) and easily insured?

        • 5 Years Ago
        Corvette cargo space 22 cu ft
        GTR cargo space 9 cu ft

        I'd also rethink that $60k figure. $80k base price is what Nissan's website says.

        If you want to make a point, get your facts straight.
        • 5 Years Ago
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        @Adam Bruce

        With regard to your comment about far easier to drive fast on the track. "The more time I spend on track the more I realize that no one drives as well as they think they do"...I'd think the same can be applied to those drivers if they're driving the GT-R, another words, unless you're really at good driving an ordinary car beside the GT-R, it doesn't really take a lot to be fast in the GT-R. The car's complex AWD and its myriad of brains are doing the actually power redistribution/vectoring, and you don't even have to do any heel-toeing, frankly what's the proof that your driving skill is actually better than others anyway? If you can drive the ZR1 and hang with the GT-R(driven by someone's who's not amateur) or even beat it, then I'd consider that skilled, because that car doesn't drive for you...
        • 5 Years Ago
        You damn ignoramus.

        First off, I would like to know where you can find a GT-R for 60k because I have looked around and all prices are well above that figure. Even Nissan disagrees with you and says 80k.

        Second, lap times are not everything. Chances are (well I am pretty sure) that you are not an F1 driver or a professional driver, thus you will probably not come near those record setting times. If we want to talk Nurburgring lap times, then screw Godzilla, the Radical SR8 is where its at yo'

        Third, look at that Porsche, its a damn masterpiece that begs you to conquer it, it will push you to your limits but you'll beg for more. Don't get me wrong, the GT-R is impressive, but it just sits there like a cheap Vegas hooker, non-engaging, a bit numb and a robot-like personality.

        I suppose they are different cars for different purposes. Love to drive, get the Porsche. Like to impress and play gran turismo, get the GT-R.
        • 5 Years Ago
        If you judge a car's performance only by a lap time around 1 track then you don't know much about cars.
        • 5 Years Ago
        your post is wrought with ignorance.... forgetting that there is a lot of that money that goes into just the NAME of the car itself. Do you ever think that ALL else being equal a porsche will be the same price as a competitor? What about the obvious upgrades and niceness of the interior of the porsche compared to your jesus car the GT-R?

        Nevermind that the brakes on the ZR-1 are about 10K alone.

        All are amazing cars that offer ungodly performance. Pick your flavor and be happy, hating just shows how small of a mind you really have.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Why wouldn't the other vehicles be easily insured? You would be surprised that the price tag has little to do with the insurance premium.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Todd
        The GT-R debuted at $70K but they quickly raised the price to $80K

        @Neil
        Agreed, there is a lot more to cars than their track times. I love my GT-R and it is much faster than an 997 GT-3, but the GT3 is much more fun to drive. (from experience)

        @Mike
        The GT-R is a big car, much of it's performance comes from the wide track and long wheelbase. People fail to understand that when comparing it to the Porsche, which is why it's hard to take weight out of it. That said, even with AWD, it's the same weight or lighter than other cars of similar size (a little larger than a Camaro, or about the same as a CTS-V). Weight savings would come at the cost of comfort or cost using more exotic (expensive) materials.

        @Ian
        You're being a bit harsh to Todd, his main point is valid, the car has a useable trunk, backseat that can (in a pinch) be used, and it costs far less.

        @awndray
        If you are worried about affording the insurance payment of a $80K car or more, chances are you probably can't afford it anyways.

        @Danimal
        As someone with experience in both the GT-R has a far more useable trunk space than a Vette, and can fit larger luggage due to the shape of the trunk vs hatch back. Don't forget the GT-R has a back seat you can load up with luggage (or people) as well. I dare you to toss a few heavy suitcases in the Vette and then do a 60-0 panic stop. I have, it's scarey ;-)

        @Carlo_Carrera
        I don't know if they're selling at a loss, but Porsche does pride itself on selling it's cars at the highest margin so I'm sure a $80K 911 has more profit built in than a $80K GT-R. That said a car is worth what people will pay for it, and last time I checked Porsche is selling a lot of 911's, so it must be priced fairly in my book.

        @Berto
        Based on your Avatar I assume you have an M car, my previous car was an E46 M3. Spectacular car, but the GT-R is a far more fun track weapon. Your statements about the GT-R sound like you haven't driven one at the track. The car doesn't feel like a "robot" and actually has far better steering feedback than most cars out there. Sure a GT3 is more engaging but it will beat you up more too. The harder you drive the GT-R the more visceral it get's even Jeremy Clarkston shares this statement. I loved my M3, I gush over my GT-R, it's fantastic.

        @LloydChiro
        Good points on all counts. FWIW I consider a 911tt more practical than a GT-R, it's softer, smaller, easier to drive and better visibility. The GT-R is closer to the GT3 in terms of feel (never driven a GT2 so I can't compare there.) That said, at the track I prefer the GT-R. It's much more confidence inspiring and easier to get more out of it. Far easier to drive fast (which I believe is the reason EVO magazine said was they could only tie the GT-R's time with the faster ZR-1). The more time I spend on track the more I realize that no one drives as well as they think they do ;-)

        @everyone else
        They're all great cars, but many question how the GT-R gets the numbers it does based on it's specifications. People say it's a "ringer" or underrated, or has "R' compound tires" etc etc. It's actually not the case. The GT-R is simply a study in applying more of its power more of the time. Sure a ZR-1 has more power in a heads up drag race, but how many times on the track can you apply all of it? The GT-R has a far more track-usable AWD system than the 911tt, and it gives it the ability to put down power when other cars have to slow down. Believe it or not, the GT-R is a velocity car, you enter and exit corners at far greater speed than you can with other vehicles because of the AWD and transmission.

        The DCT clutch gives you zero interruption of power in up and down shifts. Believe it or not this is a massive advantage on long sweepers that necessitate gear changes.

        Now on the issue of tires, that one is pretty simple. The stock GT-R is delivered in two flavors, Super Soft Bridgestone tires, or the optional Dunlop Tires that are nearly competition compound with a street tread. I know for a FACT that there is only (1) R-Compound tire that will fit a stock GT-R rim, the Toyo R888, and it's taken a full year of testing for them to better the stock Dunlops....they just debuted a month ago so we know they were not used at the Nur. Trust me, everyone in the GT-R community would have LOVED to have had access to this mythic R-Compund tire that all the GT-R conspiracy theorists said was used at the Nur. It simply doesn't exist. (Actually most GT-R owners are downgrading to 19" tires so we can use existing Hoosier and Toyo competition rubber due to lack of options!)

        Anyhow enough of that. I love the new Porsche and welcome the competition, it mearly improves the breed. I would honestly hate it if my GT-R actually was the pinn
        • 5 Years Ago
        Tell me where you can buy a GTR for $60K. MSRP starts at $80K

        http://www.nissanusa.com/configurator/en?service=external/SelectBodyStyle&mo=2010:gtr&tool=model.build

        And then you can add the $3000 paint option, and the $400 ipod cable.

        Back under the rock, fanboi.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm with you Todd. It's still good to see Porsche improving the car. I especially like the lightening to go faster idea. Imagine if they start to take some real weight out of Godzilla. I would love to see a concentrated effort to take 150 to 200 lbs. out of it. The spec V is only 35 lbs. lighter I think. I wonder what type of rubber the Turbo used on that trip around the ring?
        • 5 Years Ago
        You've already taken your well-deserved beating, Todd, but I'd also like to point out that the 991 Turbo also has back seats and a (front) trunk. And, I'll bet the Porsche seats are a little more usable, but what's the point? Carrying more groceries?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Sssswwwweeeeeettttttt!!!!!!!
      Looks like i gotta start saving!
      • 5 Years Ago
      there is a big mistake in autocars report...

      the old 480hp 997 Turbo did in 2008 officle factory claimed 7:38min if the new one is 10seconds quicker it drops under the 7:30min mark...
      • 5 Years Ago
      I'm a big Porsche fanboy. I'm on their mailing list. I still have my old key from when I use to own one. I correct perfect strangers when they pronounce it "Porsh." I love the whole line-up from the entry level Boxster to the Cayman, to the Cayenne, to the Carrera. I even kind of like how the Panamera looks.

      But, I do find it interesting that the 997 can go from being one of the nicest looking cars on the road in coupe form to being one of the ugliest looking cars on the cabriolet form.

      I don't understand why so many people buy the Cabs.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Oh yeah? Well I ran a 7:37 in a stock Z06... in Forza... ;)
      • 5 Years Ago
      For all the people here that say that 1 lap around a track doesn't prove anything? well what does then?!! long before the GT-R came along, everybody loved the 911 because it was an everyday supercar, and that was a main reason why this car got its fame, but then the GT-R arrived, and guess what, it beat the 911 in every way possible, ride comfort/performance/price, and even looks(for some people).. @ then end of the day, everybody is bias, and they'll probably defend the car that they love. but the truth is, and that's shown everywhere in every test that's been done, the GT-R is the best car ever made.
        • 5 Years Ago
        That's great that you like the Porsche, but there's no point in
        trying to sell the GT-R short on build quality. Interior is at least
        on par with a 911.

        Same goes for real-world driving. The GT-R is 100% RWD for any
        cornering you could legally do on any highway in the world. If
        you're actually having the ATTESA system kick in, you'd better be on
        a track because you're being wreckless. The grip in insane from the
        factory near-R-comp tires. If you want dangerous, swap out the tires
        for less grip. Its like people that criticise Audi for being too
        grippy and stable.

        So it has a rear LSD. Big deal, so does the 911. The front axle is
        not activated until you exceed rear grip. The car doesn't drive for
        you, especially not in real-world fun you're describing.
        • 5 Years Ago
        go and drive a GTR then say that again , it's ride is awful for everyday driving , the backseats are a joke, at least in the 911 you can put children or average sized European women. the GTR might be faster than the 911 Carrera, but it's slower than the turbo in the real world where it counts and that's the Autobahn. 0-300 kmh for the GTR in 53 seconds, 0-300 for the first 997 turbo in 40 seconds , that's 13 seconds faster and the new 997 turbo is even faster than that.

        in the real world a fun car to drive is more important than a car that's faster on a track. the 911 is much more fun to drive than the GTR which is driven by the computer, if you turn the computer off you lose your warranty, which brings us to the terrible reliability of the GTR and it's poor build quality.

        being faster and cheaper than the standard in everyday sportscars doesn't make a car the best in the world, look at the Radical Sr8.
      Carlos
      • 5 Years Ago
      Was this Porsche equipped with the PDK?
      • 5 Years Ago
      time to start harvesting organs yet again....
        • 5 Years Ago
        Francis, you aren't an organ-harvesting Vidiian from Star Trek, are you?

        Anyway, to the car, 10 seconds off is greatly impressive for just being a facelift that really didn't lift its face. (What? It didn't, it still looks the same.) Short of Lambo/Fezza/Macca territory, this would be my pick. Or, maybe the GT3 RS, I haven't made up my mind yet.



      • 5 Years Ago
      Why bother mentioning the GT-R when the ZR1 does Nurenburg in 7:26.4?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Before anyone rekindles the flames of unnecessary GT-R vs. 911 bashing, I'd just like to say that both are wonderful masterpieces of automotive engineering. 10 seconds off is absolutely amazing; kudos to Porsche for their work, especially lightening the car. It's this fierce competition that brings better driving experiences to the consumers, although I probably won't be one of them. =(
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