Although we hadn't heard of this issue before, Automotive News reports that Honda has agreed to settle a massive class-action lawsuit brought against it for engine trouble potentially affecting nearly 1.6 million vehicles. The lawsuit includes Accord (2008-12), Odyssey (2008-13), Pilot (2009-13) and Crosstour (2010-13) models equipped with the 3.5-liter V6 with Variable Cylinder Management, which might experience engine misfire, excessive oil burning and premature spark plug fouling issues.

As part of the settlement, Honda will extend the powertrain warranty on these models for eight years (from time of purchase or lease) with no mileage limitation, and it will also reimburse customers who had to pay out-of-pocket expenses for related repairs such as spark plugs, pistons or, in some cases, apparently, an entirely new engine. (Of course, the repairs had to be related to certain trouble codes.) Lawyers will get no more than $800,000 from Honda and the guy who originally started the case, Vince Eagen, will get $1,000 for his "time and effort."

The final ruling on the matter will take place on March 21, 2014, and if you want to see if you're affected and what options you have in the settlement, check out this .pdf document with all the details.


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      makasay
      • 1 Year Ago
      I know about these issues, especially the brake wear in the 8th generation Accord's and oil burning in the 4 cylinder models. But for the record, my 2011 Odyssey with VCM doesn't burn a drop of oil and neither does the 4 cylinder in my CR-V... In fact, while oil burning was quite common in some of the 8th generation Accords, I don't know any way with those type of issues. A friends 2009 Pilot Touring has 80,000 miles on and it runs like a top. VCM is still smooth and it doesn't burn oil. I just wanted to put this out there so that we see not all of these cars have these issues. But anyone who said Honda never has any issues is an idiot.
      rollie
      • 1 Year Ago
      1000K for his efforts. Yea, WHOOT, WHOOT. He showed them didn't he. Oh, and lawyers got 800K.....seems fair....
      Scott Essman
      • 1 Month Ago

      I had problemsd with my van about a year ago. The eletrical was acting funny. The DVD wouldn't work right, radio, locks, they would all work on and off. Thank god I bought a warranty from National Repair Solutions and they paid over like $2,000.00 in repairs. So if you buy one of these I would buy a warrranty!

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        normc32
        • 1 Year Ago
        HMC avoided a big recall that is for sure. Instead of excellent residual values the poor guy got $1,000. Owners can't even bill Honda for extra quarts of oil. Do Honda owners even know where to put the oil let alone what type to buy?
          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          @normc32
          He works for Honda as a porter at a dealership. Give him a break, he doesn't know what he's saying.
          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          @normc32
          I am at +13 in less than two hours. LOL. Thanks Mary Keana/Aaronm_mt!
          • 1 Year Ago
          @normc32
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          Susan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @normc32
          Honda owners may know about oil. For real ignorance, you probably need to move up the douchebag ladder a bit higher. Think about the pseudo-luxury cars out there.
      NightFlight
      • 1 Year Ago
      Best friends wife had this exact issue on her Accord EX-L, along with premature brake wear that the 8th generation Accords are notorious for. I wonder what mary.keana/Aaron_mt/luigi.tony/Wrangler_Unlimited/torontoSt.Paris/BTCC/shiftright/___|___/or whoever else he is today will have to say about this. Honda is magical, they don't have recalls or issues.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @NightFlight
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          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          I am at +17 now. It just shows that this guy really has no life.
        Dean Hammond
        • 1 Year Ago
        @NightFlight
        first sentence underlines what I have been saying all along, both Hondas and Toyotas damage control was the best in the business, however after the Toyota debaucle the sweeping under the rug is no more........QUOTE \" Although we hadn\'t heard of this issue before..........\" The transparency will now reveal that imports are no \"better\" than anyone else....
          Dean Hammond
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Dean Hammond
          @chanonissan, and there will always be the blindly loyal in denial no matter what the brand...although, IMO the worst are the Tesla fanbois....god forbid anyone question ANYTHING to do with that brand...CRAZY!
          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Dean Hammond
          And I total agree that all manufacture are about on the same level but perception got the best of us sometimes. JD power point this out this year, that everyone has improve, but some people just live on the past , toyota and honda reliability, but seems these honda V6 with cylinder deactivation has some serious issue, we have heard of people complain about ford transmissiom, nissan CVT droning sound and others, now want to question certain survey , how was this not release?
        Rob
        • 1 Year Ago
        @NightFlight
        Aaron_mt was trolling on the Hyundai article
          merlot066
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Rob
          -1, report abuse, move on. Sometimes it's fun to mess with him but I usually don't have the time.
          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Rob
          He trolls on everything. He's on every single Honda forum known to man, and he spams his terrible website everywhere he goes. I have no idea why Autoblog hasn't IP banned him yet. They probably don't have the capability, that's the only explanation. He has 4 variations of Mary Keana, and three for aaronm_mt alone.
          Dean Hammond
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Rob
          @Nightflight...hes but one of the \"extremeists\".....but its always fun watching him crash and burn...
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          @Rob
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        msspamrefuge
        • 1 Year Ago
        @NightFlight
        ". . .along with premature brake wear that the 8th generation Accords are notorious for." "Honda is magical, they don't have recalls or issues." I would've spit out my drink if I had one for these gems. They may've sorted out their JV6 transmission issues, but Honda (and Acura) brakes have come in three flavors since around 2000: high wearing, frequently warping, or one panic stop only. I had a set of the second until last spring.
          msspamrefuge
          • 1 Year Ago
          @msspamrefuge
          "I thought it was just cheap Chinese parts, but if they were formulated to OE specs..." OE specification is really wanting as far as Honda/Acura brakes go IMO. In researching replacement options for my CL, I found that their discs are often small relative to those on similar vehicles and along with the pads, have terrible heat dissipation that cooks the equally underwhelming fluid far sooner than the absurdly optimistic change interval. They also run some of their larger, heavier cars like mine with single-piston calipers up front as well as the rear, which I'm almost certain contributes to premature wear. A year after having changed all the rotors and fitting 2-piston calipers from the Legend up front, my fronts still have considerable life, while the rears are just about toast. It's comical considering how little they're tasked with.
          msspamrefuge
          • 1 Year Ago
          @msspamrefuge
          Just the occasional back road jaunt. The system as outfitted by the manufacturer was decent enough to handle commuter driving, as I had no issues when I was driving the car like I still owed money on it. But I didn't have to get very spirited with my drivng to want to consider upgrading the OE pads, discs, fluid, and lines, and that bothered me a little considering the work done to differentiate the Type-S engine from a Premium model's.
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          @msspamrefuge
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          msspamrefuge
          • 1 Year Ago
          @msspamrefuge
          Don't get me wrong, I love the car. It is a bummer that the OE brakes were underequipped, but the my aftermarket/retrofit approach was both satisfying and educational, and I've had enough exposure to cars to know that few, if any aren't going to be free of foibles. The point was to reinforce, as a current, actual owner who also keeps tabs on later-model vehicles, NightFlight's assertion that Honda is as mortal as any other manufacturer.
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          @msspamrefuge
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      Sergio Alvarado
      • 1 Year Ago
      Too bad those of us who had the Dodge Intrepid/Chrysler Concorde with the 2.7L V6 with the oil sludge problem got shafted and given the middle finger from Daimler! Never buying another Chrysler pproduct ever again!
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        normc32
        • 1 Year Ago
        "Dave Sullivan said when he changed the oil in his Mazda6 that he may have lost "a cup or two of oil between changes, but that was over 7,500 miles, an analyst at research firm AutoPacific." Watch your oil level as that is half the area on the dip stick!
      howzz1854
      • 1 Year Ago
      they should bring this law suit to Chevy as well. for their new eco tech engine. it's not news that their new DI Eco Tech is consuming excess amount of oil anywhere from 1qt every 1k miles to 1qt every 3k miles. and to them, the dealers, that apparently is normal. to top off the problem, no where in their owners manual prepares the user for this. had they mention that you need to top off your oil regularly to prevent engine damage, or that the engine is known to consume more than usual amount of oil compare to conventional engine, there wouldn't be this many engine failures with the eco tech. my wife' s equinox eats up 1qt every 3K miles. the first time we went to get oil changed, there was barely any oil left in the engine. after that i always keep a bottle in the car, and top it off as we go.
      Bernard
      • 1 Year Ago
      I remember back when Honda was cool. Now they don't have an S2000, they don't have an NSX, they don't have an RSX, and Toyota makes more fuel efficient cars than they do. It's kind of depressing to watch.
        wendavid99
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Bernard
        When talking about traditional ICE engine cars, I think Honda is more efficient than Toyota. Accord 27/36 vs. camry 25/35, Odyssey 19/28 vs. sienna 18/25, civic 28/39 vs. corolla 28/37. On the other hand, Toyota's hybrid cars is more efficient than Honda's. However, Honda seems start to catch up in the hybrid play ground. The new Accord hybrid achieved 50/45, better than Camry hybrid's 43/39.
      gslippy
      • 1 Year Ago
      This will cost Honda almost nothing, since, for the most part, they're merely extending people's warranties. If they act like the Honda I dealt with on my lemon 05 Odyssey, owners will get very little satisfaction from this settlement.
        msspamrefuge
        • 1 Year Ago
        @gslippy
        "If they act like the Honda I dealt with on my lemon 05 Odyssey, owners will get very little satisfaction from this settlement." Like the JV6 transmission debacle, one is practically hoping to break down within the coverage period, and that the resultant repairs also address the root issue. Not at all what I'd want to dwell on during my ownership experience, especially with a company to prides itself on product reliability.
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