• Mar 23, 2010
Throughout all of the recent Toyota recall talk, the automaker has stated on numerous occasions that it has never found any sort of electronic defect that would cause unintended acceleration. Instead, Toyota insists that only floor mats and sticky accelerator pedals were to blame for the problems that owners have cited in recent months.

It comes as quite a surprise, then, to learn that Toyota has, in fact, faced problems involving unintended acceleration as far back as the early 2000s. What's more, an official service bulletin was issued to dealers on August 30, 2002, detailing an electronic recalibration that was needed to fix certain '02 model year Camrys affected by this issue. The service bulletin states that those vehicles "may exhibit a surging during light throttle input at speeds between 38-42 mph."

This new report was brought into the spotlight by Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Mich) who says that he still feels that the root of the unintended acceleration is, in fact, an electronic problem that has not been addressed. Toyota, however, continues to stand by its conclusion that electronics were not at fault in these recent cases. This new information will no doubt play a key role in the ongoing investigation about Toyota's unintended acceleration problems.

[Source: AOL Autos]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      Maybe Representative Stupak could ask the Messiah to issue another Executive Order to make this "problem" go away.
        • 4 Years Ago
        It clearly states below: Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry.

        Keep your politics out of the car discussion. There are plenty of other sites for your inane comments.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The problem with this isn't the fact that it's another issue of the engine revving unintentionally with one result or the other. The problem is that this TSB, like many other Toyota TSBs weren't made public. Which means these fixes had to have taken place during a service for something else the owner needed fixing, and was done without their knowledge. Not telling the customer means they don't have to have a record for the repair on the cars, which means two things; one, that if something negative were to result from the fix, there was nobody to blame as it never happened, and two, if the ECU flash affected the dynamics, performance, or power of the car to a level less than which it was originally sold, nobody has to know, like making a manufacturer rated 200hp Camry go to 185hp after the ECU flash.

        Bottom line, if things like these were made public like nearly all other automakers Toyota may have had a harder time building up its perceived reputation for quality, which is severely misleading..

        No company has ALWAYS deserved a halo, and as such many haven't had one, but Toyota may have fashioned one for themselves making others THINK they earned it.

        I don't understand some people on this blog defending Toyota so much, go over to the ToyotaNation forum, many of the Toyota loyalists on there even agree that Toyota isn't what it used to be, nor quite as perfect as it was perceived even when they were at their prime, even the administrators and moderators admit it.. Hell, Akio Toyoda admitted it, yet some people on here just haven't been properly weened off the fantasy yet I guess.


        For the record though... I, personally, still believe that overall, Toyota is a decent company and is One of a few generally reliable car companies today. I also think Akio Toyoda will turn things around.
        • 4 Years Ago
        This is still great news! Ford will continue to rake it in. As for the comments by laser, good point! but the better point is that the american people arent buying into the gov bailed out gm and chry!
        • 4 Years Ago
        You are blatantly wrong about the TSB issue. TSB's aren't made public because they are fixes to *possible* problems that *may* manifest themselves, but won't necessarily. They don't issue a recall because you will have people who aren't having the issue it addresses convince themselves that they must be experiencing it, and insist the dealership do the work.

        Furthermore, any repairs performed will be on the repair history. They don't hand you your keys back and say "Guess what, it fixed itself like magic!" The repair order will specifically enumerate what was performed, even if it does not reference the TSB number. So if something negative happens, it's on the service history, and the customer has a repair order *that lists what the dealer did to the vehicle*.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Its been said above already, but I think it needs reiteration...
      Come on Autoblog, I see AOL getting "unintended acceleration" out of light throttle surging, but you guys should know better.
      Light throttle surging isn't uncommon, and is usually a fuel injection calibration issue.
      This TSB proves nothing.

      -not a Toyota fanboy, a common sense fanboy
      • 4 Years Ago
      If you people that are falling for this saw all the TSBs issued by every manufacturer, you'd be looking to trade your car in for a bus pass. Of course bus manufactuers issue TSBs as well so maybe a good pair of walking shoes is for you.

      I work in the automotive aftermarket and we put all these bulletins into our product that is used by mechanics. These bulletins are issued to help make customer's cars work better. No product is perfect no matter how much you spend on it. I saw this TSB being called a "smoking gun" on CNN today. What a joke.
      • 4 Years Ago
      The issue here is NOT whether other manufacturers also have throttle surge issues & other passenger safety related issues like Toyota that they are not able to fix.

      The incontrovertible fact is that drivers & passengers were reported killed or injured in runaway Toyotas since early 2000, & that there are already good & fair reasons to believe that Toyota did not take care of their safety issue in a truthful & proper manner.

      SO, the MAIN ISSUE here is whether Toyota mislead the consumers about their car's safety issues & whether they took care of this matter in an ethical & consumer friendly way. This is what the congress & all investigators are looking at, so the investigation is VALID & FAIR.

      I see a lot of Toyota owners & fanboys here desperate to justify their purchase & desperately wanting to believe that Toyota has been 100 percent TRUTHFUL to them about everything since early 2000.
        • 4 Years Ago
        oh..., I meant to leave out the quotation marks in the above... Typo...

        "it has nothing to do with this post."

        Please don't try to arbitrarily dictate what others can say or not say here in this board. People are free disagree on opinions that other people have made here in this forum & express their own opinions...
        • 4 Years Ago
        @katshot
        If you read more carefully through the comments on this discussion board, you'll notice that I was replying someone before me who brought up the discussion about what the "Issue" was here. So please don't send me a stupid message again...
        ...self-centred arrogance always lead to sad mistakes.....
        • 4 Years Ago
        But, this particular AB post really supports that Toyota has handled their driveability issues the same way any other OEM does. So, although you have a point, it has nothing to do with this post.
      • 4 Years Ago
      It looks like the problem is some electronic gitch which Toyota knew about since the early 2000 but couldn't pin point & fix. Sort of like the glitch we sometimes have in our computers which no one seems to be able to fix. With computers we just restart/re-boot our computers to fix freezes or other malfunctions. But, in a moving car what can people do? Clearly this is a serious problem where the consequences of a glitch is more than just having to reboot. People's lives are at risk here, but it seems Toyota wanted(since early 2000) to keep their business running at normal speed with no recalls so they just kept quiet about it to this day even though they couldn't figure out their life threatening problems. If they couldn't figure out the problem, then they should have stopped selling their vehicles & should have notified the public. But they didn't do that. This is unethical behaviour by Toyota. Just another giant company out to make money off of people, but couldn't care less about precious human lives...
      Toyota probably already knows that the pedals & the mats are not the problem...
      • 4 Years Ago
      Oh, I thought the Toyota witch hunt was over. Is this round 12?

      Is this a repeat of the known cruise control recall on older Camry's that was posted awhile back when they reopened a manslaughter case due to recent news, or is this something totally different.

      Sounds like the same thing said differently.

      I don't know how or why, but it just HAS to be an electrical problem. ARGGGG!!!!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Wow... So since now on every new non-positive information related to Toyota should remain ignored because media fried Toyota long enough?
        Are you serious? O.o
      • 4 Years Ago
      whole AOL article is idiotic, i wish Autoblog would read the whole thing.

      Toyota TSB was for "surge if customer applied light pressure between 38 and 42 mph"... I doubt car went into WOT, probably it was literally small surge that felt wrong.

      AOL then cites complaint about 2002 Camry where driver says that they had brakes on, and when they shifted into R, car accelerated and hit something...

      ... those two are not related at all, unless you are blind and can not read. Not to mention that 2002 Camry has hydraulic brakes and it would be impossible for it to start going when you have brakes on... just impossible for engine to over-ride brakes from parking state.
      • 4 Years Ago
      If Toyota indeed issued a TSB to dealers, it means they knew of the problem, and they fixed it (at least in this instance). I fail to see how this plays into their guilt. It would be one thing if they knew about it and did nothing to fix the problem, but TSBs are done voluntarily by manufacturers, often prior to any recall and without the knowledge of owners. If anything, this should exonerate them, at least partially.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I was about to post that. I am not too much of a Toyota fan, but I think this is just an excuse to further incriminate Toyota.
      • 4 Years Ago
      This is probably just when the torque converter locks up. Most automatics have the same problem if the converter locks up too early. This is not acceleration.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Hmm, a MICH congressman brought this up? Surprise surprise.
      • 4 Years Ago
      The media and our gov't are having a field day trashing Toyota. I'd be curious what scandals and secrets they could uncover if they were fair and looked at other manufacturers. You're naive if you think Toyota is the only one at fault for failing to act on known safety issues. All of the car manufacturers do the same thing.
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