BMW, only recently celebrating 25 years of V12 engines in its 7 Series sedan and releasing a special 25 Years Anniversary Edition, has put the future of the top-flight execu-barge in question. A BMW product and pricing manager told Australian site Car Advice that a decision on putting a 12-cylinder in the next-generation car, due in 2016, hasn't been made yet.

It appears that this decision isn't due exclusively to emissions (that V12 is quite a guzzler, after all), since the current 760Li sells in such low numbers – at $140,200 in the US, it's the most expensive offering we have from The Roundel, beating the Alpina B7 by nearly $13,000. It sounds like the emissions issue, along with other issues like design and technology, are dominating considerations for the line in general.

Emphasis is being put on making sure the 7 Series is more differentiated from every other car in BMW's lineup, and while anything is possible, you can count us surprised if the next 7 Series shows up without a V12. There is no indication that the competitors are giving up on the biggest engines in their biggest sedans, and as the BMW executive says, there will always be a market for such cars – certain buyers need to be able to stress the word "ultimate" in "Ultimate Driving Machine."


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      • 2 Years Ago
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      GFB
      • 2 Years Ago
      A V12 with cylinder deactivation for low load cruising is the answer. Some people want the biggest and baddest. Might as well sell it to them.
        Rich
        • 2 Years Ago
        @GFB
        The damn things already run 2 DME's, why make it more complicated to look like more of an ass-hat?
      Drakkon
      • 2 Years Ago
      What's the best use EVER for a BWM V12? A hovercraft of course. And a damned pretty one too. http://www.abs-hovercraft.com/donar-hovercraft/hovercraft-experiments/
      Dvanos
      • 2 Years Ago
      "It sounds like the emissions issue, along with other issues like design and technology, are dominating considerations." I mean besides the emissions issue what design or technology challenges can arise that they cannot handle? BMW has gone soft on it's suspensions but it still remains one of the best engine makers in the world. I have no doubt that can make a better V12 than the current one.
      AGSHOP
      • 2 Years Ago
      KILL IT!!!!!
      carguy1701
      • 2 Years Ago
      I really hope the V12 sticks around.
      Neil
      • 2 Years Ago
      why dont they replace it with a higher powered v8. since the m5 and m6 make less torque, maybe increase the engine's size to 4.6 liters. it would create more power and torque, yet still offer better economy! bmw not offering a v12 would make them more like jaguar which now offers 3 versions of its supercharged v8... 470-hp, 510 and now 550! torque is 424, 461 and 502. fuel economy is 15-city/23-highway for both the 510 and 550-hp.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Neil
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      • 2 Years Ago
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      to your email L
      • 2 Years Ago
      Yup unless your are building a street legal race car, whats the point, I've heard their V12 wasn't all that great anyway and was troublesome. Look at what happened at Maybach anyway........aka IT'S GONE. And Jag had a troublesome V12. Just build a modest sized V-8 with VVT, direct inj, super/turbo charging multi valve you can make a pretty powerful V8, oh like say 5 liters. I mean really how much is enough, once you get a fast car above 200-300 mph you are literally gonna tear up the tires, empty the gas tank in 10 minutes, have few roads where you can drive flat out and at that price point, seems to me those that wanna go fast, they just go in their private jet, not in something so provincial as a wheeled vehicle. But of course foolishly some folks don't get that.
      Shiftright
      • 2 Years Ago
      SAVE THE V12s!!!!
      The Wasp
      • 2 Years Ago
      I predict BMW will drop the V12. If they really think they're customers care about the V12, though, (which their recent 25th anniversary thing would seem to suggest) it would be easy to keep alive. They can either keep producing it as-is (increase price to account for increased costs, if needed) or develop a new, modern V12 -- probably smaller displacement, higher tech, and more powerful. "Ultimate driving" enthusiasts would opt for the latter option, hands-down. 90% of BMW buyers don't eve know the brand offers a V12 at all.
        dave and mary
        • 2 Years Ago
        @The Wasp
        As the world turns towards lighter cars and better fuel economy, I doubt that BMW would spend the money to develop a new engine ... even if it is only "adding two cylinders" to it's V8. Also, publicity and perceprtion reign supreme. BMW doesn't want to be a partner in any public perception that they don't care about the environment. Further, there used to be the tried and true "gotta have the V-12" folks. I can't help but think those people are dwindling. The V-12 is dead. Take it to the bank.
          The Wasp
          • 2 Years Ago
          @dave and mary
          I agree it's unlikely, but there's no reason a V12 has to be a large, thirsty engine. I'm not aware of a small displacement V12 ever being made but it's certainly possible (I'm thinking in the 3-4 liter range). Would it be more practical than a I4/I6/V8? No, probably not at all. Would it be unique and potentially cool? Yes. Would top-end BMW buyers choose it over a more logical V8? Some would, others would not (just like the current V12 option).
        The Wasp
        • 2 Years Ago
        @The Wasp
        Wow...I apologize right now for typing they're instead of their. And even instead of eve.
      SloopJohnB
      • 2 Years Ago
      The problem could be that BMW's V12 is just underpowered compared to its competitors. If 535 hp can be considered underpowered...621hp for the Mecedes V12.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @SloopJohnB
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        Bernard
        • 2 Years Ago
        @SloopJohnB
        The Aston Martin Vanquish is now sounding a lot less under powered. Then again, they compare those to Ferrari's.
        RWD
        • 2 Years Ago
        @SloopJohnB
        Actually, the V12 in the S600 makes 510hp, less than BMW's V12 (but still costs $20k more). You're talking about the S65 AMG's V12, which starts at $212k, and the 760Li is not nearly a competitor to that. Now, if BMW made an M7 with a V12, I assure you the power level would be right up there with the Benz.
          Tina Dang
          • 2 Years Ago
          @RWD
          At the same time the S600 produces 612 lb-ft of torque, far superior to the BMW's 550 lb-ft. Mercedes has always built a better V12 though, so nothing has changed.
        CoffeeJones
        • 2 Years Ago
        @SloopJohnB
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Class#W222_.282013.29 Merc offers a regular naturally aspirated V12 for the S600 that makes about that, but the 621 hp V12 is from AMG, and it has twin turbos.
          Papi L-Gee
          • 2 Years Ago
          @CoffeeJones
          Nope. All of MB's current V12s are twin-turboed.
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