• May 17, 2010
Typically, most automakers stick to a relatively strict five-year product cycle for their highest-selling, most important products. The Honda Civic, for example, debuted in September of 2005, so realistically, a new model should be just around the corner, right? Not exactly.

In an interview with AutoWeek, American Honda executive vice president John Mendel said that changing market conditions and tougher fuel economy and emissions regulations have strongly affected the development of the next-generation Civic, meaning that the new model won't come until sometime in 2011. AW also reports that the Civic's redesign has been altered along the way – the new model was supposed to be larger than the current model, but now it has been redesigned to be closer in size to the current one (pictured above).

What's more, with hot new products like the 2012 Ford Focus on deck, Honda will certainly have to up the ante on the Civic's level of equipment, style and refinement. The Civic is still one of the world's best-selling cars: about one million are moved each year. And with the U.S. accounting for approximately one-third of those sales, Honda would be wise to ensure that the next-generation Civic will be attractive enough to keep it in the top tier of high-selling vehicles in the States.



[Source: AutoWeek]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      The real reason for the delay is because the Chevy Cruze and the other American cars, will be far superior to the Civic. Good luck Honda, because you'll need it, now that the American car companies are finally awake after 30 years. Your road will not be an easy one from here on!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Wrong.

        Honda decided to change direction on the 9th generation Civic in 2008, amidst the financial collapse and rising fuel costs. That was prior to any knowledge of what the next generation Focus would be (I believe the Cruze was announced in 2008, though).

        There's a Honda community at www.vtec.net, and the owners/operators of that site are very well-connected to some higher ups at American Honda Inc. They had said numerous times in early 2009 that the 9th generation Civic was scrapped mid-design, and would likely be delayed by one model year. Over a year later, and we have closer-to-official reports of that very thing happening. Instead of going on what the opinionated Autoblog has to say and would love for you to believe as fact, I'm going to go by what people say who are actually in touch with some Honda execs.

        If you look back at history, Honda doesn't really show any evidence of being influenced by what others have done. I'm going to assume the same goes with the 9th generation Civic, and any other future models for that matter.

        Funny enough, they just posted something which links to what they predicted back in 2009. Have a read of this: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=899102
      • 4 Years Ago
      I have a lot of faith in Honda.

      The 8th gen Civic is still a great car even though is it an older model. It is just being outgunned by the new releases. The value proposition of the 2010 Mazda3 is very strong, and the Civic is having a tough time competing.

      I'd still buy the current Civic over a few others in its class, namely the Sentra, Jetta, Corolla, Cobalt and Elantra.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Golf/Jetta TDI or Mazda3 for me. If I was in the market.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Didn't Honda some Honda exec say that the Civic had gotten too big, and that they were planning on downsizing it? I know that was said...somewhere within the past 6 months. Smaller and lighter is exactly what the Civic needs.

      P.S. The 8th gen Civic's interior IS fugly. The 2-tier instrument cluster? Very UNergonomic and certainly NOT futuristic. Your eyes are constantly darting between the tach and speedo, which conveniently aren't right next to each other. On the auto models the tach is still big and in your face. Why would a car with an auto trans need such a prominent tach? Plus, the Si and wayyy under-powered. The MazdaSpeed3 and Cobalt SS both beat the Si by 60hp!

      Lastly, my personal beef. The Civic is FWD, just like every other compact on the market. My purist ways will never die!
        • 4 Years Ago
        How does that torque steer treat ya?
        • 4 Years Ago
        Screw horsepower, lol. The K20Z3 is a blast to rev. The Si is amazingly fun to drive. I could care less if it doesn't go fast in a straight line for something that fun to drive. Did I say it was fun to drive?
      • 4 Years Ago
      I just hope Honda comes out with something spectacular. I like the current Civic and have driven a few but the interior needs work. I just hope they don't go too far out on the next one.
      • 4 Years Ago
      The current Civic is crap.
      So the sooner that something replaces the current vehicle, the better.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The R18 was designed for efficiency, at the expense of drivability.
        It gets its mileage from its inverse half VTEC system (where one valve is held open longer so the cylinder partially un-fills. So to compensate the throttle is open larger to maintain the same cylinder charge. Also a post catalytic cooled eEGR)

        A modern DOC engine with variable valve timing can achieve both.
        The R18 is a single overhave camshaft, with a fixed relationship between chain drive and camshaft.
        There is no phaser, there is no variable valve timing. The 'vtec' KICK OFF, when you use more than 2/3rds load, and rev above 3500rpm.
        The only reason that the R18 makes more power than the Corolla is the dual length intake manifold (listen to the change of sound at 5200rpm)

        The engine really needs balance shafts, just wait until you get over 50K miles.

        The steering ratio is less than 14:1, by definition that is imprecise. Honda thinks that yaw response = precision, it isn't.

        HIDs are fine, if you have dynamic auto leveling projectors (with washers).
        The old Mazda3 had H7 projectors, way better.

        See the brakes on the Acura CSX. The 11" front rotors should have made it to the US.

        Do you understand sprung:unsprung ratio? pitch balance?

        Stop being such an ignorant fan-boy.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @MikeW

        "The 1.6 liter class is the industry standard as to omitting balance shafts."

        That's fine, but did you ever think that Honda doesn't do that because they make better engines? Maybe the rest of the industry *need* balance shafts at 1.6+L, but Honda doesn't. Maybe for Honda, they have recently found the threshold to be 2.0L, which is why the R20 has them, and the R18 does not.

        Speculate all you want, but I doubt the R18 will suddenly start shaking itself apart when it hits 50,000+ miles. As I noted before, if a 94 Accord ran perfectly fine to more than 500,000 km without balance shafts (and being 2.2L with ancient technology), I think the R18 will be just fine.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @MikeW

        Sorry Mikey-boy, but you need to be put out to pasture on this one...

        "Okay. R18 engine is sub-par. It lacks low end power (it does not have variable valve timing) and doesn't have balance shafts."
        How is it sub-par? I like how you completely bypassed the fact that it produces one of the best fuel efficiency ratings in the class, but I wouldn't take you as someone who is detail-oriented. ;)

        Where are you getting the incorrect information that it doesn't have variable valve timing? Are you effing kidding me? What do you think i-VTEC (or VTEC, for that matter) is??? Seriously? I shouldn't even bother with you after that show of intelligence, but I will...

        Oh, and the engine is perfectly fine without balance shafts, it's butter-smooth, but you wouldn't know that because you're too busy bashing it on paper...

        "The 5 speed stick is lacking a gear, the 5 speed auto is also lacking a gear (and is very tall geared-the engine lugs even with torque converter clutch slip)"

        I'm pretty sure a 5-speed transmission isn't missing any gears if it has 5 gears, correct? I think the world got along just fine before with 3, 4, and 5-speed transmissions. Again, is your only complaint that it isn't a 6-speed so you can show off to all of your schoolboy friends? Come on...

        "The steering is much too quick & imprecise, bad combination."

        Maybe you can't drive? The steering is perfect.

        "The Civic doesn't have as good space efficiency as it could be."

        Oh, really? What would you suggest? It seems to make perfect use of the space available, actually.

        "Visibility is poor (wide A-pillars and positioned very far forward), worse in the winter (because the wipers stop short of the edge-and you end up with a wide blind spot)"

        This is your only valid point. Congratulations.

        "The headlights are poor (granted you can replace the bulbs with HIR1/HIR2)"

        OMGZ IT DOESN'T HAZ HIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        "The brakes are undersized. No widely available traction control, either software [the engine has throttle by wire] or hardware (excluding Si & EX-L)"

        The brakes are fine, and stop quite well, actually. I do agree that traction and stability control should be standard across the board, though.

        "The split dashboard design is fine"

        OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!

        "Reality > Marketing."

        Nah, I had it right the first time, kid.

        "The ride quality is terrible.
        Probable cause is the grossly overweight OEM 16" wheels (they are over 20lbs)"

        Seriously??? Seriously??? The ride quality is great, sorry it doesn't have a squishy suspension for the elderly or a super stiff suspension so you can street race. It has a great balance in between.

        Grossly overweight OEM wheels? HA! Sorry it doesn't come with $5,000 lightweight wheels that will bend with the slightest pothole impact.

        Good grief...

        Beef: DENIED.

        Sorry Mikey-poo.
        • 4 Years Ago
        "The current Civic is crap." - MikeW

        It's hardly crap. While the NA version looks quite generic, it's economic, well-built, and offers an excellent ride even if the handling isn't up to, say, Megane standards. The slush box versions do warrant a miss but the manual 'box is one of the best I've driven in this class.
        • 4 Years Ago
        How, precisely, is it "crap", hmmm?

        It gets great fuel economy, is ultra reliable, arguably the safest vehicle in the compact class, and has great resale value.

        Reality > you.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Okay. R18 engine is sub-par. It lacks low end power (it does not have variable valve timing) and doesn't have balance shafts.
        The 5 speed stick is lacking a gear, the 5 speed auto is also lacking a gear (and is very tall geared-the engine lugs even with torque converter clutch slip)
        The steering is much too quick & imprecise, bad combination.
        The Civic doesn't have as good space efficiency as it could be.
        Visibility is poor (wide A-pillars and positioned very far forward), worse in the winter (because the wipers stop short of the edge-and you end up with a wide blind spot)
        The headlights are poor (granted you can replace the bulbs with HIR1/HIR2)
        The brakes are undersized. No widely available traction control, either software [the engine has throttle by wire] or hardware (excluding Si & EX-L)

        The split dashboard design is fine

        Reality > Marketing.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The R18 needs balance shafts. Honda has balance shafts in the R20, so it should be a trivial matter (engineering-wise) for the shorter stroke version to also get them.

        I did not imply that the engine would 'fail' for lack of balance shafts. You said the engine was 'butter-smooth', I offered that you wait until the miles rack up, then you will acknowledge that the decision, by Honda, to save $50-100 was not a good one.
        http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/R20A/index.html
        The 1.6 liter class is the industry standard as to omitting balance shafts.

        I have no blind hatred. I optimistically awaited the new civic (for '06). I objectively drove it. It was inferior.
        But hey, you have double o-rings on the plastic dipstick.
        • 4 Years Ago
        How, precisely, is it "crap", hmmm?

        It gets great fuel economy, is ultra reliable, arguably the safest vehicle in the compact class, and has great resale value.

        Reality > you.
      • 4 Years Ago
        • 4 Years Ago
        Lucas.....that was pretty scary.
        • 4 Years Ago
        No wonder Honda went back to the drawing board... their recent styling is aweful and the stunning new 2012 Ford Focus is already causing problems for Honda and other competitors... Go Ford!!!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Release the Kraken much?
      • 4 Years Ago
      I was thinking today how great my neighbor's Civic looks and how I wish I could have afforded one.
      • 4 Years Ago
      It was on target for a redo, however the designers all fell asleep!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Haven't seen you here in a while, did you have to cancel your internet just to fix your caddy yet again?

        In any case, how can you call it a boring design, i can see how some can call it ugly or too futuristic, but it is not boring.
      • 4 Years Ago
      The new SI needs to up the ante and will need to start to get closer to the Mazdaspeed3 or VW GTI in terms of power/torque. Otherwise, a lot of people who are in the market for a hot hatch/compact will continue to seriously consider other options.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Same thing happened to me.

        I had my heart set on a 2010 Si sedan but after test driving a 2010 Mazdaspeed3 (and not being able to find a Si sedan 100 miles from my house) I went with the goofy ass grinning vehicle.

        I think it would be great if Honda dropped the K23 from the RDX in the 9th gen Si and gave it more of an edge. The chassis of the 8th gen is killer on track, and I'd expect the 9th gen to be even better, it just needs some more muscle. How does 250HP sound?
      • 4 Years Ago
      Kia Forte = 8th gen Civic Rip off

      Here is an old link to show you the direct rip:
      http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/197/a/b/Kia_Forte_Honda_Civic_Ripoff_by_cash68.jpg
      • 4 Years Ago
      Lets be honest, Honda isn't going back to the drawing board, they are finding ways to standardize the Hybrid thing. If the Insite and the CR-Zzzzzzz is any indication where they are moving, bet the next gen will be slow, ugly , and boring. Also expect all kinds of media about how great the car is due to its fuel efficiency not about it being fast and competitive. Everyone can "hope " for a car that will compete with Mazda , Mitsu, and Ford in this class for HP, but it wont happen, and that's not what the H badge is about. They already abandoned the sport comapct market years ago, they are not coming back w/ the next ricer boy fan car, its your Aunt Susie's next grocery getter . .sorry However , this AB report isn't new, there were reports a while ago that they were shrinking the car and possibly increase the HP on the next Si 10hp, but over all don't expect greatness other than the norm reliability and fuel Eco.
      • 4 Years Ago
      It really would be nice to see the Civic move back to it's roots. I think the current Fit is alot more in line with what the Civic has historically been. If this means that they are going to keep it small, fuel efficient and affordable, I am all for it. The recent trend of cars getting larger with each redesign is pathetic.
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