Toyota as we know it could become a thing of the past. According to Australian site Car Advice, the Japanese brand known for bland cruisers like the Camry and Corolla is preparing to bring two new rear-drive cars to market that would slot above and below the Scion-badged FR-S. This is very, very good news.

Car Advice spoke to the GT86/FR-S' chief engineer, Tatsuya Tada, who claimed, "Akio Toyoda always says to me, Toyota sports car [family] should be three sports car brothers. 86 is in the middle." The oldest "brother" would be the spiritual successor to the Supra, even if it doesn't wear that name. Tada is in charge of that project, while a sub-GT86 project is being headed-up elsewhere.

Tada refused to comment on names (CA specifically mentions MR2 and Celica) for the new small car, but did say that, "Yes it is rear-wheel drive and that's Toyota's strong position - Toyota sports car must be rear-wheel drive." Perhaps the juiciest bit of information obtained from Tada's interview with Car Advice was his hinting that both new sports cars would be joint ventures, like the GT86/FR-S/Subaru BRZ triplets. Tada wouldn't say who Toyota was in bed with on the smaller model, but did mention that the Supra would be a product of the world's largest automaker's partnership with BMW.

Now, things can and do change often, so we'd advise taking this information with a grain of salt. Still, the above report basically confirms a 2012 story on the return of the MR2 and Supra, while filling in a few blank details, like the fact that both cars will be join projects with other manufacturers. Looks like the next few years will be exciting for Toyota fans.


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      John Hughan
      • 2 Years Ago
      I'm surprised one of the two new cars is intended to slot in BELOW the FR-S. The FR-S/BRZ is already surprisingly inexpensive for being RWD (not to mention for being as incredibly fun as it is), and it's already being criticized for being underpowered despite its low weight, so I'm curious what room Toyota sees for a model below the FR-S. Maybe it will only be for other markets? Or maybe it won't be introduced until the FR-S has moved up a notch in terms of power and price?
      DavidPro
      • 2 Years Ago
      This at least explains why Toyota/Scion have no interest in adding more power to the FR-S. If this story does come true, at least there will be a variety if cars to choose from at different power/price points. If you want the extra power, you'll have to pay. That said, Subaru has no reason not to give its BRZ a little more punch
      wickedsc300
      • 2 Years Ago
      The new Supra will probably have a high hp version of BMW's new twin-turbo inline 6, which would be awesome. I don't really know what would slot below the FR-S as that car is pretty much as low as you can go. It's a great car but anything with less power would not be a contender to me.
        Ravo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wickedsc300
        Unless it's akin to the last gen MR2. It only had 140hp but due to it's light curb weight (2200 lbs) it ran low 15's/high 14's and was amazing at autocross. I would gladly welcome the return of a Miata fighter.
      bonehead
      • 2 Years Ago
      The problem ive had with this quote is that everyone assumes he is measuring the cars by price. With one cheaper than the FRS and one more expensive. But i think he could be talking in terms of dimension. So an MR2 would the the lower and a Supra the upper, and they would cost more than the FRS. Or it could mean a smaller cheaper RWD celica, but i think not.
        icemilkcoffee
        • 2 Years Ago
        @bonehead
        The market is too small to support 3 different 2+2 sports coupes though. I really hope they make a small Starlet sized RWD hatchback, or a 4 seater sedan the size of the original Datsun 510 or BMW 2002.
        oRenj9
        • 2 Years Ago
        @bonehead
        Yeah, there's not a chance that they would bring back a smaller Celica. You can't sell a car that is too much smaller than the current, else people won't be able to fit in one. Plus, the FR-S is essentially an "8th-gen" Celica as it share the same dimensions, power (GT-S) and price (inflation adjusted) as the 7th gen. You're probably right about the MR2 and Supra. I know the MR2 Spyder was insanely popular with the old-people-that-don't-like-Corvettes crowd. Those people are essentially stuck with a Miata or Mustang if they want a cheap, convertible sports car. When Toyota claims that a convertible FR-S is "not economically viable", they probably mean, "along-side the future MR2."
      MONTEGOD7SS
      • 2 Years Ago
      That is encouraging. Meanwhile, the sportiest Honda you can get is an Accord V6 with a manual.
        oRenj9
        • 2 Years Ago
        @MONTEGOD7SS
        The Civic SI is still a great car.
          stonehunte
          • 2 Years Ago
          @oRenj9
          Its an underpowered, FWD, econobox sedan. The only thing it has going for it is a high redline, decent handling, manual transmission, and an unexplainable cult following.
          Indubitably
          • 2 Years Ago
          @oRenj9
          Stonehunte-- I m not a big fan of the civic either but what other 4 door midsized sedan can you get for 23k, 200hp, and a silky manual? As much as I hate saying it, its fine for what it is. The the coupe on the other hand is pointless with the frs around.
      RodRAEG
      • 2 Years Ago
      Thank goodness they'll be rwd and not awd, too. Good thinking Toyota!
      Mike
      • 2 Years Ago
      Sweet.
      Matt
      • 2 Years Ago
      Dear Toyota: If you partner with BMW on the new Supra, don't let them convince you to put a Bosch fuel pump in it. There were at least 5 years worth of 335is that went through fuel pumps like they were oil filters.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Matt
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          Matt
          • 2 Years Ago
          The Bosch fuel pumps in VW/Audi diesels don't fare much better. The german automakers are married to Bosch come hell or high water, but this single supplier is wrecking their reliability. They blame the consumer or the quality of the fuel when it breaks, when they should make Bosch own up to their mistakes.
          • 2 Years Ago
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      Mr Sled
      • 2 Years Ago
      So this must be the "son of Supra" I've heard about. I just pray that Toyota doesn't do what Acura is doing with the NSX. That is, resurrecting a legendary nameplate as something that is only recognizable by name... not evolutionary style, or even the character of performance. Toyota did it right with the "twins", so hopefully it will translate into another success!
      WhoMeWhere
      • 2 Years Ago
      Please be true Toyota, please be true
      jtav2002
      • 2 Years Ago
      I'll take it with a grain of salt. Hopefully comes true though. Although that would make too much sense and give people less of a reason to hate Toyota. I do agree with the comment below about the FRS being in the middle though. If they have something below that people are really going to be complaining about how unpowerful it is. I don't even think they need three separate models. I think just adding in a boosted version of the FRS and than a Supra successor would be good. I do hope any new models actually carry the Toyota name though.
      Art S
      • 1 Year Ago
      I sold my 1997 turbo Supra in 2012. Still heart broken over it but I needed the money. If the next "Supra" isn't the world beater the 1993-1998 Supra was, I'm going to just buy myself another MKIV Supra and be done with it. That car was simply incredible and still such a joy to drive.
        Hunter White
        • 11 Months Ago
        @Art S

        Being a world beater these days is super expensive. Wouldn't you rather have a car that's just super fun to drive and not $75k+?

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