Okay Toyota, make up your mind. Figure it out. Quit playing games with our heart. Either build a bunch of variations of the excellent GT86 (also known as the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ) or don't. At this point, we're just tired of the back and forth. After no shortage of denials, an Australian website is claiming that Toyota is reconsidering convertible, four-door, turbocharged and all-wheel-drive hybrid variants of the GT86. Kindly pass all the salt.

It's not that we don't want to believe the Aussies; we do. But when the story lists the same "sources in Japan" as a lot of the other denials and confirmations about GT86/BRZ/FR-S variants, well, there's a certain sense of the "Boy That Cried Wolf," here. Ignoring all that, then, what does Motoring.com.au claim to know?

Sources claim the GT86 Convertible will arrive in October 2014, while the turbocharged and hybrid sedans are slated for 2016.

Well, the GT86 sedan will be stretched by just a shade over 20 inches. It's unclear if this is in reference to the wheelbase or the car's overall length. It will also be 3.9 inches taller, while retaining the coupe's width.

Two engines will be on offer for this hypothetical four-door. The range-topping model will get a Subaru-sourced, 2.5-liter, turbocharged flat-four, with 295 horsepower. That sounds a lot like the WRX STI's engine. The boxer mill will be tied to an eight-speed automatic – it's not mentioned if a manual will be available. The same engine will make its way to the GT86 Coupe.

The other engine is a hybrid – likely a Toyota hybrid system that's been made to play nice with the flat-four in the Subaru XV Crosstrek Hybrid. In-wheel electric motors will deliver drive power to the front wheels, giving the GT86 Sedan all-wheel drive. Both models will arrive in 2016, although the turbo will precede the hybrid by a few months.

Assuming the prices listed are in Australian dollars, the GT86 Hybrid Sedan will start at an eye-watering $46,175, while the turbocharged four-door will $36,940, according to today's exchange rates. Now, the GT86 Coupe is already priced a few thousand US dollars higher in Australia, so if these alleged variants were to make it across the Pacific, we could expect slightly lower prices. Still, we imagine any $40,000-plus FR-S would be a tough sell.

As for the convertible, Motoring is claiming it'll arrive in October of this year, and will retain the coupe's 2.0-liter, flat-four engine, despite a 66-pound weight penalty, thanks to its electric canvas roof. This doesn't address Subaru's apparent refusal to do a convertible BRZ.

As we said, all of this should be taken with many, many grains of salt. We've been subjected to many rumors about Toyota and Subaru's sports car dating back to its very birth. So far, none of them have proven true (if they had, we'd have had a convertible by now). Still, if Motoring is correct, we could be in for a very exciting few years with this little rear-driver.


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      Frisky_Dingo
      • 9 Months Ago
      I'll believe it when I see it.
      Jasonn
      • 9 Months Ago
      None of this report makes cost sense. Here is how it will play out: Subaru will put the 2015 WRX engine/turbo into the 2016 BRZ and Toyota will get the convertible but not the turbo, in the same year. That is all the change Subaru will allow. Remember, Subaru makes every single one of the brz/frs twins. Unless toyota starts to make it, Subaru is more focused on models that actually make money. The are producing at near capacity right now. If Toyota started making them, Subaru will drop the BRZ all together.
      ItMe George
      • 9 Months Ago
      "all of this should be taken with many, many grains of salt." you said it...
      Joey Franklin
      • 9 Months Ago
      They lost all credibility with the STi engine and 8 speed auto, never gonna happen.
      Riyaz
      • 9 Months Ago
      Oh come on Autoblog, don't give those Motoring.com.au idiots the attention they want! Everyone here knows that we can smell the bullshit across the oceans on this side of Earth. Their report is not even worth acknowledging. In what world can they even THINK to report drivetrains, car lengths, release dates, trim levels, and prices all in one fell swoop that conveniently entice the outspoken fans? /rant It's best to ignore morons
      CoffeeJedi
      • 9 Months Ago
      Whyyyyyyyyyy? A foot and a half longer? Crazy electric AWD system? 8 speed automatic? I want an FR-S sedan so I can have a simple compact RWD car with enough room for some friends or luggage, there's nothing like that on the market right now. Why complicate that formula with all this extra crap? Toyota already has the Lexus IS, what's the point? Salt liberally applied.
      Master Austin
      • 9 Months Ago
      History will repeat itself. Lets go back to the Supra times, hard sell to price a coupe that far up the scale and the same can be said for this. Anything north of $35K will be a very tough sell.
      ferps
      • 9 Months Ago
      how about a wagon?
        JayP
        • 9 Months Ago
        @ferps
        A 3 door shooting brake would get my attention.
      manure
      • 9 Months Ago
      If Toyota can't "afford" to do appealing cars now, nobody ever can. Fortunately, there are automakers that care about passion and building the best cars they possibly can. Just not Toyota.
      Dmack
      • 9 Months Ago
      I'm going to be truthful I never seen BRZ on the street here in Miami. I seen maybe 8 FRS in the 2 years life span since they been out. A turbo version is not going to help sales. They need to sale this car at 20k strip and with options a bigger 4 or a Camrey V6. Heck they should used to IS V6 and tune it, but I bet it can't fit. 35 to 36k this car will be competing with a mustang 315hp turbo 4 for 10k less. The Genesis turbo out sales this car so bad. So this car is a lost cause.
      yo
      • 9 Months Ago
      who cares. Its a lame car anyway.
      ken
      • 9 Months Ago
      Just like the MR2, Celica, and Scion, Toyota bean counters will work their magic to make the cars more comfortable, bigger, and "more affordable" (aka worse handling, heavier, and less character).
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