Subaru is currently plotting the future of the next-generation WRX STI. Company delegates from various world markets are currently headed to Japan to decide whether the rally bruiser will continue to be a hardcore racer straight from the factory or if it will head in a new, somewhat posher direction. According to GoAuto.com (and previous reports), the new STI will be significantly different from the base Impreza and WRX, and that difference may translate into a more upscale performance model. Think something along the lines of a BMW M or a Mercedes-Benz AMG machine.

Regardless of which direction the model takes, odds are we can expect to see a turbocharged version of the new 2.0-liter dual-overhead cam boxer four-cylinder currently found in the Forester. Nick Senior, Subaru Australia Managing Director, has been quoted as saying the engine is compatible with forced inductions, countering earlier reports.

While Senior says he hopes the STI will continue to be a rally thoroughbred, his vote only counts for so much. Australia is the fourth-largest Subaru market behind the U.S., Japan and China.


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      CarCrazy24
      • 2 Years Ago
      Trying to make it compete with luxury marques will fail for them and destroy their proud fans...keep it track capable and don't screw that up!
      Cruising
      • 2 Years Ago
      Can you imagine a Paris Hilton type driving a STI with her small toy dog around Hollywood. YIKES! Keep it real Subaru, exploring the great outdoors, camping, racing off road. If you want to have a full range of STI vehicles like a Legacy STI I would be down with that, but by no means make anything "posh."
      WindsWilling
      • 2 Years Ago
      Well, that will be the death sentence of another legend. Subaru is a smaller market share maker, though they have been doing better each year it seems. I don't want to see them castrate the STI like Mitsu tried with the Evo (such a sad day). I don't want to see them pull a Toyota, that is go from a glorious brand in the 90's with the Supra, All-Trac/GT-Four, and MR2 to boring people movers like we have today. Instead their goals SHOULD BE: - Price point, it's getting too high, period, and they want to add more money to the asking price now? - IF the price goes up, performance needs to rise substantially instead so... - Less weight - More power for the money. 300hp for $40k is not good. - Finally, the above two will help but for love of god get someone there to address the chassis for handling. Get rid of the understeer already. Make it more neutral, no more pushing. I like the aggressive looks. I think the interior is fine as is, it feels better than expected. Get some real seats in the car, and the only "posh" thing I'd like to see in there is that they finally put in an acceptable stereo for today's times. Look at the Evo's stereo, or say Acura's for an example. That's it. I mean, how hard does that sound? That's what the enthusiasts want, you know the people that buy these cars? Subaru is known for their "Rally inspired AWD", not "M3 like environment". Idiots. Don't ruin a good thing. Let someone do a "Prodrive" and leave it be. Don't screw this up Subie. I'm looking forward to the next WRX which is supposed to be lighter, more focused on performance as before said. If I want a M-coupe, I'll go to a BMW dealer, thanks.
      Chris
      • 2 Years Ago
      So they want to make it a BMW competitor? Pardon me, but I think moving up scale is a terrible idea. Part of the WRX appeal is its sort of raw, sporty, yet practical appeal. It's one of the few sporty cars for the driving enthusiast that actually looks good with a bike rack on the roof. With it's, particularly the 01-07 model, function over form approach to performance, I have always liked to think of the model as the "Fox Body Mustang of imports". I think if they take a more posh, upscale approach with the next generation, it runs the risk of losing qualities that makes it unique and blend in with the BMWs, MBs, and Acuras on the market.
      Zach Buckley
      • 2 Years Ago
      The Price point of the Subarus these days is getting a bit high. While they are much quitter and smoother than the past generation, they are still NOTHING close to a BMW or Mercedes in Ride quality, smoothness, low noise levels, etc. If Subaru want's to diverge the WRX and STI from the Impreza then fine, as long as they are more performance for the money oriented. Think about the key demographic for those cars, or Why they are appealing to so many. It's the boy racer in all of us, the inexpensive super car that puts a grin from ear to ear every time you get behind the wheel. I find it hard to believe that it isn't cheaper to make a two door Hatch (think GTI) as well as a coupe, then a sedan and four door station wagon. The engineering to make a car with more doors as stiff as a car with only two has got to be expensive, not to mention the parts and labor that go along with it. Then there is the almighty weight issue, add two extra doors and it's always going to be ALOT heavier, and generally larger overall (adding more weight still) then the standard three door hatch and coupe. If your not going to make a Coupe so as not to compete with the BRZ then keep it much as it is now, a fast, cheap (sort of) entry level sedan. Add the Three door hatch in place of the station wagon, and focus on keeping the price and weight down. NO ONE thinks the extra two doors on the wagon are doing anything for it's looks. Another poster said to keep the lineup similar to what it is, but make the Impreza "RS" the non-Turbo version of the WRX, or a WRX without a Turbo. I think this would be a big hit, as most often the folks buying the "RS" are only doing so because a WRX is too much money. Another thing to consider is the fact that not many are buying the STI currently, and everyone you talk to will tell you it's because NO ONE THINKS $40,000+ FOR A SUBARU IS ACCEPTABLE! So creating a BMW chaser or the like is pointless. Stick to what you do best Subaru. Let the Big car companies try and figure out how to build the Cars THEY want people to want, and let Subaru build the cars the PEOPLE Actually want. Just my .02..well maybe .07
      HardmacK
      • 2 Years Ago
      here is a clue! Stop being morons, and every year pushing the envelope of what your customers are willing to pay. We want a High performance awd vehicle with big power and little else! Give us a damn POCKET ROCKET and stop messing with success dopes! No one wants to buy a 40k boy racer, and thats what your cars have turned into.
      IBx27
      • 2 Years Ago
      Don't dilute it one bit. Make it just like all the other STi's before it. Most importantly, if any Subaru executive is reading this, KEEP THE UNEVEN LENGTH HEADERS. The day the WRX is produced without those is the day I forget about Subaru.
      Hazdaz
      • 2 Years Ago
      They better not screw this up. The STI does NOT need to be more "posh" - it can't realistically compete in that segment, and with all this talk of it being quite different than the base Impreza and even WRX, that means its going to be that much more expensive. Its in a price range already that makes it a questionable purchase compared to cars like the Mustang, Camaro, Z and a few others. They need to hold the line on pricing and if it has to share most components with the lesser WRX, then so be it, and spend the rest on its go-fast bits.
        AcidTonic
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Hazdaz
        Agree with you completely. I think they are watching the GTR and thinking hmm..... People hate on turbo+awd unless it's a car that looks the part. They hate Evo's, hate STI's, but love GT-Rs, AWD 911s, etc.... It can't be a 4 door as much as we all truly want. We have to lose our 4 door otherwise Americans will completely ignore this cars performance regardless of how many Mustangs it can smoke. It has to go 2 door supercar like the GT-R and become unaffordable or else it won't be successful. The problem is the core customer base is looking for the JDM car. That's what they want. The forged internal, good head, twin-scroll, 2.0L high revving motor that made the car famous. It's so watered down by the time it gets here that it's performance sucks in comparison with horrible understeer. The Evo so far is the better car for the USDM market, but supposedly the JDM STI is right there with the Evo. After hearing the next mill is 2.0 based, I think they are finally listening to the aftermarket who has complained about the 2.5 since day ONE. I've been an Evo guy myself personally owning an Evo IX. But I want more options and more respect for light turbo AWD cars that target 300hp or more. Americans still ignore this segment *completely* with FWD garbage. Subaru show them what's up!
          Gorgenapper
          • 2 Years Ago
          @AcidTonic
          Current 2.5 engine = boom ringlands go bye bye I have heard it around the forums that the EJ257 is "at its design limits when it is turbocharged". I don't know about that, but I do hear of ringland problems - not sure if it's just the sh*tty stock pistons or the sh*tty stock tune, or both.
      Zee Frunch Canadiun
      • 2 Years Ago
      Screw posh. If people want a posh performance minded Subaru sedan, let them buy the Legacy 2.5 GT or the 3.6 R Limited. The WRX and WRX STi should remain a niche high-performance car. And for God's sake, Subaru needs to stop "feminizing" this model. Looks like the boys from Toyota are pushing their "plain vanilla" philosophy on Subaru. It has to stop
      Josh
      • 2 Years Ago
      "According to GoAuto.com (and previous reports), the new STI will be significantly different from the base Impreza and WRX, and that difference may translate into a more upscale performance model. Think something along the lines of a BMW M or a Mercedes-Benz AMG machine." WHY WHY WHY? WHY? Please tell me how this makes even remotely sense business-wise. The current market position is literally undisputed in the market - compare a diamond star dealership to a Scoobie and decide which you'd rather spend your money, it isn't a hard decision. Do you guys not learn anything from Steve Jobs? FOCUS. IF I WANTED AN OVERPRICED LUXO SPEED TOY WHY WOULDN'T I BUY A BMW?
      You guy
      • 2 Years Ago
      BRZ: 2.0L Gas DI [FA20] (~200hp $23,495) BRZ STi: Gas DI SINGLE turbo [FA25T] (~290hp, $28,995) ------ WRX STi: 2.5L Gas DI TWIN turbo [FA25TT] (~350hp, $34,795) WRX: 2.5L Gas DI SINGLE turbo [FA25T] (~290hp, $27,895) ------ Impreza GT: 2.0L [FA20] (~200hp, $22,495) OR Impreza 2.5RS 2.5L [FB25] (~200hp $22,495) Impreza XV: 2.5L [FB25] (~200hp $23,495) Impreza 2.0i: As-is... Neighbor has a pearl white one with leather. They definitely look better in person. ------ Legacy STi: 3.6L Twin Turbo [EZ36T] (~400hp, $40,995) Legacy Spec.B: Gas DI SINGLE turbo [FA25T] (320hp, $33,995) Legacy GT: 3.6L [EZ36] (280hp, $28,995) Legacy 2.5d: 2.5L TurboDiesel, [EE25] (195hp, $28,995) Legacy 2.5i: 2.5L [FB25] (~200hp $22,995) Outbacks in 2.5i, 2.5d, and 3.6R engine configurations. Tribeca in 2.5d and 3.6i engine configuration I think that should cover it.
        You guy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @You guy
        Also forgot the Forester line with 2.5i, 2.5d and 2.0T lines.
        You guy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @You guy
        Should say EZ36TT on the Legacy STi. oops.
      Dennis Baskov
      • 2 Years Ago
      As long as it will stay with the same price and DNA. No need for this upscale candy ass luxury performance, stay as a pure sports car and keep offering manual.
        AcidTonic
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dennis Baskov
        Amen
        War Llama
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dennis Baskov
        Agreed. When I look at all of the bells and whistles inside those "posh" cars, the first thing I think is "that's a bunch of stuff I will never use." Subaru, keep in mind this old adage: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
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