Japanese automaker Honda will roll out the production version of the 2013 Fit EV at the 2011 Los Angeles Auto Show in mid-November. We're guessing Honda's electric-only 2013 Fit will somewhat resemble the automaker's Fit EV Concept, a vehicle which made its debut back at the 2010 LA Auto Show and is pictured above.

When the production version of the electric Honda Fit hits the streets in late 2012, it will feature a lithium-ion battery and coaxial electric motor derived from the unit used in the Honda FCX Clarity. Honda claims the electric Fit will top out at 90 miles per hour and return an estimated 100 miles of range using the EPA's LA4 city cycle. We'd like to be proven wrong, but right now we're wondering if that 100-mile range estimate is a bit optimistic. Perhaps we'll learn more about this – and things like pricing (unlikely) or production volume (possible) for the Fit EV when the electric hatch hits the stage in LA.
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Honda to Debut Two All-New Models at the Los Angeles Auto Show

10/24/2011 - TORRANCE, Calif.

Honda will debut two all-new models, the 2012 CR-V and 2013 Fit EV, at the Los Angeles Auto Show on November 16th at 1:05 pm PST. As one of the best-selling SUV's in the United States, the fourth-generation 2012 CR-V will showcase new exterior and interior styling, improved fuel economy and added technology features. The all electric zero-emissions Fit EV concept vehicle debuted at last year's Los Angeles Auto Show and the production model will be revealed this year.


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      Spec
      • 1 Day Ago
      I kinda expected better from Honda . . . this seems like a quickly slapped together effort. Just a quick conversion of an existing gasser. But I guess they put too many eggs in the Clarity FCX basket and had to throw this together on short time scale.
        DaveMart
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Spec
        ?? Most of the bits are identical for fuel cell cars and batteries, so the parts on the fuel cell vehicle can perfectly appropriately be used without detriment to their function.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @DaveMart
          Obviously sprung weights etc can vary between the two, but it is all nothing like the huge amount of new engineering needed to turn an ICE car into an electric like in the Focus EV.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @DaveMart
          I believe so, Spec. Nissan for instance is power source agnostic on its electric vehicles, as the engineering effort save for the bits specific to the fuel cell is identical. Fuel cells use a reasonably hefty battery anyway, as they are not good at providing power surges for acceleration. This is one of the reasons folk like me support fuel cell cars, as any combination of drives can be put in without major engineering changes, straight BEVs, plug in FCEVs, straight fuel cell cars. You have to add some sort of exhaust system for the fcev, but it is unsophisticated compared to that on an ICE as it mainly just emits water. As others have said on this thread, because your energy is less tightly constrained on a fuel cell vehicle you might also want to downrate power to produce a BEV version, but there is nothing drastic and most of the bits do just fine. In practise many of the early FCEVs such as the Hyundai Tucson will be larger vehicles, as those are the ones beyond economic present battery technology and their advantage in in highway cruising which favours larger cars, but pretty much if you can build a BEV or a fuel cell vehicle you can pick and mix however you want.
          Spec
          • 1 Day Ago
          @DaveMart
          I'm not saying the motor is bad. I'm just pointing out that this does not appear to be an EV build from the ground up. It is more of a conversion like the Ford Focus Electric than something designed as an EV like the Leaf. Am I wrong on that?
        DaveMart
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Spec
        Where the heck are comments disappearing to now? The gear from an fcev works fine in a battery car and doesn't compromise it.
      EVnerdGene
      • 1 Day Ago
      ABG says; "right now we're wondering if that 100-mile range estimate is a bit optimistic" Why so negative? Maybe its got a 100 kw-hr battery pack.
        electronx16
        • 1 Day Ago
        @EVnerdGene
        It doesn't need a particularly large batterypack for the EPA CITY cycle. The combined cycle that clocked the Nissan Leaf at 73 miles is a different story though.
        JP
        • 1 Day Ago
        @EVnerdGene
        I think the negativity is because the LA4 driving cycle typically gives optimistic range numbers. The LEAF got 100 miles on the LA4 I think, but real world drivers get closer to 85.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @JP
          I thought the Leaf gets 73 miles on the EPA cycle? I am no expert on US testing cycles though.
        DaveMart
        • 1 Day Ago
        @EVnerdGene
        A 30kwh battery should do the job fine, and by 2013 should be available as an NMC battery in a compact enough package. Since the Zoe is to get 30 kwh with better battery chemistry it seems likely to me that the Leaf available then may also choose to upgrade to around that figure, upping its EPA figure from 73 miles to 100 miles. Its a trade off on costs though, of course.
      DaveMart
      • 1 Day Ago
      'The Fit EV will achieve an estimated 100-mile ()161 km) driving range per charge using the US LA4 city cycle (70 miles (113 km) when applying EPA’s adjustment factor). ' http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/honda-20101117.html That compares to 73 miles for the Leaf.
        electronx16
        • 1 Day Ago
        @DaveMart
        So..another electric city car. Sigh....
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @electronx16
          Yeah, perhaps I am being too optimistic. Here is the google translate of the info it was drawn from: 'It is clear from the statements of Ana de Prado, Renault's electric cars have a battery of 7 to 30 kWh of capacity, so that we can well believe that the latter will be available to the ZOE and allow you to reach the figure autonomy discussed at the conference, 250 miles on each charge.' Dunno why google has altered kilometres to miles, but anyway it is clearly a 250 kilometre range. http://www.forococheselectricos.com/2011/10/salon-de-valladolid-renault-nos-devela.html Introducing a new chemistry is dependent on how fast progress has been, and if possible they would like to introduce it at the start in their new factories as they start up, so a late 2012-early 2013 seems possible to me, if perhaps optimistic. It would certainly liven up the market!
          electronx16
          • 1 Day Ago
          @electronx16
          30KWH sounds great. It's my understanding though that Nissan plans new battery chemistry for 2015: http://gas2.org/2009/12/01/with-new-battery-nissan-plans-to-double-ev-range-by-2015/ Doubt it will be sooner. They have a lot invested in current chemistry.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @electronx16
          Well, at some stage whether it is in 2012 or 2015 Renault have said that they are going to stick a 150 mile pack in the Zoe, and that is to be a reasonably priced car, so I guess people will just have to put up with it!
          Spec
          • 1 Day Ago
          @electronx16
          Pretty much all reasonably priced EVs will have ranges of 100 miles or less. If you want more range then buy a PHEV and a very expensive EV like a Tesla with a big batter pack.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Day Ago
          @electronx16
          The Renault Zoe is to have a 30kwh battery and should be good for a genuine 100 mile range. Since this is based on an improved battery technology by the Renault/Nissan group hopefully they will offer the new chemistry for the Leaf, at least as an option, probably for the start of US production as the set up of the factory there coincides with the introduction of the new chemistry in the Zoe released in Sept 2012.
        Ernie Dunbar
        • 1 Day Ago
        @DaveMart
        Um, Nissan had the same song and dance before the EPA tested their car's range. I suspect the Fit will have the same kind of window sticker as the Leaf.
      Noz
      • 1 Day Ago
      I gave up on the LA auto show..it's one of the dullest, most boring large car shows anywhere...almost nothing is really new except for a few concept cars thrown here and there...ALWAYS the same layout, ALWAYS the same look and feel.... It sucks.
      uncle_sam
      • 1 Day Ago
      If the motor is not limited it should be quite peppy to drive, since it was taken from the much larger clarity
      electronx16
      • 1 Day Ago
      The Fit is a brilliant concept and an EV version would make it even more brilliant. A 100 mile EPA range would make it yet more brilliant. Now let's hope for a brilliant price...
      Smith Jim
      • 1 Day Ago
      This is great news. The only people who truly benefit from hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the fracking oil/gas industry.
        Spec
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Smith Jim
        Even they won't really benefit because the H2 dream will never really get off the ground. 1) Fuel cell systems remain very expensive (although they have made great strides). 2) There is no good clean/cheap way of creating H2. 3) There is no H2 infrastructure and it will take billions to build. 4) It is difficult to store H2 . . . massively pressurized cannisters are dangerous as is . . . and this one is filled with an explosive gas. Fuel cells are conceptually really cool . . . but there are too many more hurdles to clear before they'll be practical any time soon. EVs also struggle massively . . . but at least they are getting close.
      Peter
      • 1 Day Ago
      Using the Clarity motor (and controllers) makes sense as Honda has spent quite a few pennies on the FCX over the years with nothing (but pleasing Californians) to show for it. I have no idea why Eric is not sharing the love and is dissing the range without any spec on the line for the battery. Although as a direct drop in 100Kw motor in the FCX, not huge in hp but it will be quite a torque master 189 lb·ft (256 N·m) torque, and it will suck juice for those heavy of foot...
      Dan Frederiksen
      • 1 Day Ago
      what really matters is the price
        Spec
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Dan Frederiksen
        Who are you? And what did you do with the real Dan Frederiksen? We know that all that really matters is aerodynamics and weight.
          Dan Frederiksen
          • 1 Day Ago
          @Spec
          hehe, seeing as for this specific car such considerations are too late, only price can help it. a poor design like this can be quite ok for the world as it is if the price is right. but of course it wont be. it will be priced 'competitively'. meaning not so much. I'm guessing 31k$ in US. if they priced it at 24 it would be a different story.
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