• Mar 23rd 2009 at 9:58AM
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The last report about the on again/off again sports car being developed jointly by Toyota and Subaru was that it's on again. Today comes word from L'Automobile in France that not only is the rear-wheel-drive Toyubaru going to happen, but it will arrive bearing the Celica name sometime in 2010. If Wikipedia is to be believed, this would be the eighth generation of the Celica, which traces its roots all the way back to 1970 when it debuted in Japan as an inexpensive rear-wheel-drive sports car. Through the years it switched to front- and all-wheel drive, with the final seventh generation Celica sold from 2000 - 2005 being a strict cart puller. L'Automobile claims that Thierry Dombreval, Toyota's VP of sales and marketing in France, spilled the beans on reviving the Celica name, so we won't consider this news solid until a second source comes forward or Toyota officially confirms it, neither of which is likely to happen. So for now all you Celica fans should just sit tight and light a few candles for your cause.

[Source: L'Automobile via 4WheelsNews via Jalopnik]

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      • 6 Years Ago
      wise up america....buy american now...these transplant imported cars and trucks send money overseas...ford dodge or gm is america think about your country...not about your self...we the people must fight to save americas jobs...the politicians dont care...buy american and be proud.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Whats the point of this? Isn't the whole benefit of purchase of Subaru for Toyota to offer an allwheel drive sports car? Can't Toyota build a rwd sports car on their own? Why do they need Subaru? Not to mention, this looks as soft as the Solara. G35 Coup with AWD or 370Z for me please.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Agree. Toyota can develop a light RWD car by its own. Maybe they can even use Subaru parts, but not in a context that decharacterize any of the brands.
        They could use, for example, the drivetrain used in Avanza (a small FR MPV built in Indonesia that use longitudinally-mounted engines of the Yaris), linked to a complete rear subframe derived from the Impreza's one.

        When it was still tied to GM, Subaru proved that it could put some of its parts on other project. Remember the Traviq AWD, a 2001 concept that put a complete rear axle from a Legacy in a Opel Zafira A's platform, retaining all the functionality of the Euro MPV but gaining more traction (that Zafiras or Traviqs never had in a production mode). No, the Traviq didn't become a true Subie, but used genuine Subaru parts in a project not intended to use them. It was an Opel with the Pleiades badge, but a little more than just it.
        So why can't Toyota project a own basis using its own engines and using Subaru-derived parts? Didn't they hear that Chrysler took some systems of the Mercedes E-Class, applied them to an own platform and own engines and called it the LX cars, that no longer resemble the German donors?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Exactly what chassis does Toyota have for an 18-30k longitudinal sport coupe?

        IS is too expensive, and was engineered for a luxury car with a higher price and higher margin.

        Otherwise, Toyota has nothing capable of rear-drive, longitudinal engine layout at that price point, and a custom chassis for one model is too expensive to be viable at that price point, and more modest margin level.

        Subaru has the chassis, and the engine for it. A non-transaxle, RWD transmission, and a slight change to the front hub fastening (dummies in place of the outer axle stubs), and a lack of front drive shafts, and a Subaru is rear-wheel-drive. Maybe a slightly more robust rear differential to handle all the power all the time, rather than just a fractions.

        It isn't very difficult, though, and the line could be manufactured both RWD and AWD, per option designation, if so designed.

        If you ditch the AWD capability, the engine and transaxle could easily be pushed back in the chassis, and a flat 4 could EASILY fit mostly, or even entirely behind a forward front axle line, for a front-mid arrangement. That precludes AWD, unless the driveline is re-engineered for a divorced front differential in front of the engine, which Subaru doesn't currently use on any of their systems.

        There again, that is getting into unique hardware, which is more cost than hardware sharing. It is also an argument that probably favors staying very close to Impreza's current floor plan and hard points. It shares the current Legacy's front end, as does Forester and Outback.

        Impreza and Forester also have a smaller variant of the Tribeca's rear suspension layout, which allows more rear interior room, and better rear geometry than the current Legacy/Outback. The '10 Legacy/Outback is getting it, but is growing in size more than 3 inches in all three dimensions, closer to Tribeca, and further away from Impreza, or a small coupe-compatible layout.

        It would not surprise me if this coupe is going to be a toyota body and interior on an Impreza chassis platform, with an new EZ30R-derived 2.0 DOHC flat 4, with high-compression, naturally aspirated Direct-injected engine, with Dual AVCS valve timing control, as a base engine, with ~200hp out of ~2 liters.

        I just hope they add DI to the EJ25, with the turbo, and go from there, as well. The EZ-series boxers have less cylinder pitch, and probably are not as over-all robust for turbo-duty as the EJ is.

        Gearboxes will probably be a Jatco RWD unit, or Subaru's 5-speed AWD automatic, and a 6-speed manual gearbox, such as the Aisin RWD unit from the Miata, or the Aisin unit from the Caddy CTS, or Subaru's upcoming lighter-than-STI 6-speed AWD transaxle that the '10 Legacy GT may be getting.

        Subaru will probably get a body-style differentiation, a slight interior difference, and hopefully either both will be attractive and similar, or if one ends up ugly, hopefully both won't be ugly. Toyota has co-branding experience in the Vibe/Matrix, with Pontiac. But Toyota and Subaru need better reputations for attractive styling lately.
      • 6 Years Ago
      If this does happen, I wonder if it'll wear a Scion badge. Seems to make sense as Toyota has pretty much abandoned their racing heiritage (excluding trucks)and sporty-ness and thrown what they had left into Scion. Scion's whole lineup is suuposed "sporty" and "edgy", despite performance figures and driving feel indicating otherwise. Toyota, on the other hand, remains "The people's choice" for daily transportation. (Again, excluding trucks)
      • 6 Years Ago
      Here's my proposal Toyota: Use the RWD Celica take on the Civic Si, VW GTi, and Cobalt SS. Make a GT-Four to compete with the R32, Lancer, and WRX.

      Develop a new MR2 to earn a piece of the roadster crowd. A Targa top would be nice too. Stick the boxer engine in this.

      Bring back the Supra nameplate to compete with the Genesis, 370Z, and even the Mustang and Camaro.

      Rename the Venza a Camry All-Trac. Because you need to hang on to all the nostalgia you have.

      It's free advice, you could print money with this plan, and I would buy one of each if you pulled it off.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Supra was never a pony car competitor, it was a Corvette competitor. Reviving it as a pony car would be like Dodge reviving the Charger as a 4-door sedan...
      • 6 Years Ago
      aren't we tired of this bull anymore?? I don't really care anymore and you can continue with the charade while Hyundai's pulling in the money with their Genesis coupes. The future AE86/Celica, Camaro 2010/2011.. waiting will only lead to dust settling on you Toyota..
      • 6 Years Ago
      Back when they called them Celica Supras, they were pony car competitors.

      The MKIV wasn't the first supra, hence the "IV"
      • 6 Years Ago
      I have a 1991 Toyota Corolla that runs like a champ. She looks beautiful and I keep her well washed and waxed and take care of her motor wise. I have been told that my car ( Miss Blue) as I named her will out live me. She has 160,000 miles and I have been asked if I would sell her :-). Guess what I am saying is I would never give up Miss Blue for a sports car, she is to Loyal and doesn't cost me much in up keep :-) Thanks for letting me talk about her.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Make it happen guys. Not too much competition in this field, only one that comes to mind is the Hyundai Gensis coupe.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You don't get out much do you? The car that invented this segment and is still the sales leader by a wide margin, the Ford Mustang is the elephant in the room. The GenCoupe has to compete with Mustang, Camaro, and to a lesser extent Challenger and 370Z. It's already a crowded market.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There is nothing in that field that weighs under 3000lbs and that is entirely the point of this car. Lightweight, rear wheel drive, low cost.
        • 6 Years Ago

        Problems with your post are as follows:

        Dodge Challengers > Ford Mustang in terms of sales in '09

        The Genesis Coupe has me excited, at least, because it has a turbo4 option with a lot of tunability.

        And, the Gen Coupe photos do no justice in real-life, to say the least.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Behind you all the way Toyota !

      Waiting 4 the Supra.....but this car is really cool in the for now.

      Also bring more F models....Toyota has a lot of cars coming performance wise if you include cars from Toyota, Lexus and Scion....

      Toyota 4 Life
      • 6 Years Ago
      Toyota makes a fun, affordable, sports car? I'll believe it when I see it -- and when I see it, I may FINALLY walk into a Toyota dealership.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Oh please. Oh please. Toyota, restore my faith.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Interesting words, " on,off,bearing,roots,inexpensive,final,cart,claims,beans,likely,candles.
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