Few cars stir up the rumormill quite like the next BMW M3. To that end, BMW fan-site BimmerPost was able to track down a source, apparently tied to the development of the next M3 (and M4), who divulged a few juicy bits on power, weight and timing.

Horsepower in the F80 M3 and F82 M4 is said to be close to that of the E90/E92, which was rated at 414 hp. This contrasts with previous reports that had horsepower pegged closer to 450. It should also be noted that BMW has been known to underrate the horsepower values for its engines. That said, the new turbocharged straight-six will supposedly develop 100 more pound-feet of torque over the current generation, too. The 4.0-liter S65 V8 found in the E90/E92 M3 developed 295 lb-ft, putting the new engine's torque in the 395 lb-ft neighborhood. We can live with that.

An equally interesting development regards the proposed weight of the new Ultimate Driving Machine. Apparently BMW is targeting the curb weight of the E46 M3. That older-generation Bimmer clocked in at about 3,400 pounds, while the E90/E92 M3 had grown to over 3,700 pounds. The 300-pound weight savings should come as welcome news to M3 purists, critical of the progressive weight gains from generation to generation.

For those interested in the aesthetic of the next performance-Bimmer, the F80/F82 update of the M3 is claimed to feature a more aggressive look, highlighted by a power bulge hood and larger fenders. That styling direction should not come as much of a surprise, as the more aggressive appearance is customary to the M3 by now and matches what we've seen in spy shots.

According to source, the F80 M3 sedan will debut first and come to market in early 2014. It will be followed by the M4 coupe, though exact timing was not revealed.


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      Felspawn
      • 2 Years Ago
      I hope that BMW has taken some of their critisisms over the years to heart. Its a great car company that has lost its way to a degree but its not to late to return to making the "REAL" ultimate driving machine
        SloopJohnB
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Felspawn
        OK, but recognize that their main goal is to make money, not the 'Real' ultimate driving machine. #2 may well be the ultimate driving machine, but like Porsche's foray into the Cayenne and Panamera vehicles most of BMW's cars are moneymakers, NOT ultimate driving machines. I too wish the S54 engine was put into the E36M3 for everyone, not just the racers whose cars were eventually banned when BMW failed to homologate the engine/car for us 'ultimate drivers.' Nevertheless, as long as BMW is profitable a few of their machines will be driver's cars. I hope.
      d.hari
      • 2 Years Ago
      More torque would help. Either way, Audi and Benz are in deep trouble. This proves it! http://youtu.be/XcibYNRvOk4
      ammca66564
      • 2 Years Ago
      I dunno - getting 300 lbs out of a variant of an existing car - that's going to be very tough. It's not like you just slip a few lightweight parts in. 300 pounds - that's going to take some re-engineering, too.
        quackmanquackman
        • 2 Years Ago
        @ammca66564
        Not to mention making a performance variant adds pounds unless special attention and additional resources are put toward weight loss. All (?) the previous M cars have been heavier than the highest performance regular model, right? And it's the trend with other performance car variants.
      jtav2002
      • 2 Years Ago
      Who cares about horsepower figures? It's only a bragging right. As long as performance numbers are better that's all that matters. Look at the S4. Dropped the V8 for for the supercharged V6 and had a car that was more efficient AND faster.
        Ak74
        • 2 Years Ago
        @jtav2002
        Except i don't like Supercharged badges all over the car haha
      mitytitywhitey
      • 2 Years Ago
      If BMW says '414 HP and 395 TQ' on one of their turbocharged cars, what they mean is 'At 115 degrees F and 100% humidity.' Someone will dyno-test these and it will show 400 at the wheels. No drivetrain is that efficient, regardless of dyno. BMW likes to give customers at least rates power, under all conditions, and more power under normal conditions. And for that, I salute them!
        SloopJohnB
        • 2 Years Ago
        @mitytitywhitey
        OH baloney. BMW tests at DIN or ASTM standards. Same as every other manufacturer. End. Of. Story.
          mitytitywhitey
          • 2 Years Ago
          @SloopJohnB
          Slop, STFU if you don't know anything about engines. The fact is, you don't. They absolutely CAN NOT produce the same power in all conditions, so you can shove your standards up your tail pipe. BMW just chooses to give you enough power / torque so that no driver will ever go below the ratings.
      Eta Carinae
      • 2 Years Ago
      V > M > RS > AMG......................simple
      Chase
      • 2 Years Ago
      Awesome news. The ATS is finally forcing BMW to step up its game!
      EJD1984
      • 2 Years Ago
      Sounds like a crash diet to match the lighter weight of the Cadillac ATS. I wonder when the ATS-V will be out. That will be an interesting comparison test.
        Autoblogist
        • 2 Years Ago
        @EJD1984
        Except the 328i was actually lighter than the ATS. Tom Foolery with the base ATS which nobody will be comparing against the 328i.
      BRKF06
      • 2 Years Ago
      Media needs to stop with the 4 series nonsense. No proof BMW is making the f32 3 series coupe a 4 series. None. Zip. FWIW, I have an F30. It's okay but damn the company needs to bring a 1 series sedan to the USA as I hate how big my F30 is.
      • 2 Years Ago
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      rmkensington
      • 2 Years Ago
      This thing is going to be sweet. Back to the straight 6, but with tons of low end torque. I have a 135i with the N54 in it. Its a very quick car for only 305hp, pulls a 0-60 in 4.9 seconds. 400 hp in this new engine should be in the low 4's, especially if they really get the curb weight down.
        Rr778
        • 2 Years Ago
        @rmkensington
        Remember that they left the i6 for the lighter v8, don't forget that.
      Rr778
      • 2 Years Ago
      This M3 not having 500hp is just another reason why Caddy sells more cts-v than BMW sells of all m cars combined.( several times more actually) Opinions can go left and they can go right, but sales figures do a good job of representing how people really feel.
        JonnyO
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Rr778
        Speaking as an owner of an M car I can tell you that I *like* not seeing other versions of my car every time I pull up to a stop light. I enjoy having a unique car that has something special to it. I imagine most CTS-V owners feel the same way.
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