• Apr 17th 2008 at 12:31PM
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This morning, UAW workers at General Motor's Lansing Delta Township plant in Michigan have began a work stoppage, halting production of the Saturn Outlook, Buick Enclave and GMC Acadia. Both GM and the UAW are remaining mum on why the strike began, but it's likely due to an unsigned contract that covers work rules. However, according to the Lansing State Journal, 2,300 workers are employed at the plant, and while hourly workers are walking the picket line, salaried employees reported for duty.
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      • 7 Years Ago
      people can be so dumb.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Jesus, $60K a year for an assembly job?

      Through a quick add to a local "community" newspaper, and in a week you will replace all UAW with immigrants who hold college/university degrees, do better job, respect their workplace and ask for $30K year to be happy.
      • 7 Years Ago
      GM should petition the government to shut down the union, claiming that the union is colluding against the interests of the US economy.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Ford couldn't of hoped for a better time to launch the Flex.
      • 7 Years Ago

      Everyday we get closer to reversing this country's illegal immigration problem. Soon, U.S. citizens will be sneaking across the Mexican and Canadian borders to find work and the only labor unions left will be those running the U.S. government bureaucracy.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Good lord, the elitism in this thread is beyond pathetic.

      If being an auto worker is such a couch job, why aren't you leaving your current situation to join the ranks of the unionized?

      Or, are you just parroting what you heard on the internet, about broom pushers making 6 figures?

      "They are killing your America economy."

      Of course, it's unions. Pay no attention to a) the fact that we import far more than we export, thanks in part to large corporations deciding that we're best at being a consumer-only market and b) a home construction industry reliant on the false dream that everyone should be able to afford a 300k home on a retail-level salary (again, thanks largely to offshoring / outsourcing)
        • 7 Years Ago
        "If being an auto worker is such a couch job, why aren't you leaving your current situation to join the ranks of the unionized?"

        Because it's a great job FOR THE STUPID, OTHERWISE UNEMPLOYABLE DROPOUT. I'm not one of them.

        "Of course, it's unions. Pay no attention to a) the fact that we import far more than we export, thanks in part to large corporations deciding that we're best at being a consumer-only market and b) a home construction industry reliant on the false dream that everyone should be able to afford a 300k home on a retail-level salary (again, thanks largely to offshoring / outsourcing)"

        I think I see your union card sticking out. Please DO NOT ATTEMPT economic analysis in the future. Your G.E.D. is not equivalent to an education. a) we import more than we export BECAUSE BLOATED UNION LABOR COSTS MAKE U.S. PRODUCTS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IMPORTED GOODS FROM CHINA and b) the recent housing boom was helped out to a great extent by things like the Community Reinvestment Act that REQUIRES banks to do business with uncreditworthy scumbags, like union members. No rational business lends money to these fools without the government pointing a gun to its head. Now the government wants to blame 'greedy' bankers for a problem the Feds created in the first place.
      • 7 Years Ago
      I think its shameful that CEO's and executives of these companies take home such big checks and bonuses, while the entry level employees of these same companies only want to make enough money to have a decent living, and be able to pay for groceries on the table and be able to fill their tank with $4/gallon gas.

      Is that really asking too much?
        • 7 Years Ago
        To d3a:

        While I agree with you that this war is nonsense, and I can't wait until we get Bush out of office, I really have to disagree with you on thinking that 60k isn't enough for an unskilled worker to make.

        The fact that they make only a few thousand less than I do....after I went to college for 5 years and interned an additional 3....doesn't seem right. I agree they need safe working conditions and enough money to live, but it has gotten out of control.

        I also think that your argument about the cost of living in CA is irrelevant; CA is known for its bloated cost of living, and I would be willing to bet that it is MUCH MUCH LESS in Lansing.
        • 7 Years Ago
        hey ckm,

        did you subtract money for taxes? how about contributing to a 401k (because you cant count on any pension from your company)

        now you are talking about 55,000 take home. I live in California, where the average price of a home is about 300,000. the average price of a new car is 28000. Do you really think someone that takes home only 55k a year can buy himself an AVERAGE home to supports his family? and to buy an AVERAGE vehicle?

        I think our economy is horrible and everything is expensive thanks to our stupid president and this damn war.

        I'm sorry but to sit there and say that someone who gets paid about 60k a year is making more than enough, in this country is absurd.
        • 7 Years Ago
        BTW, at $25/hr, with 10 hours a week of overtime, that's $66,000/year, not including benefits. For an unskilled job, that's a HUGE amount of money.
        • 7 Years Ago
        "As of the second quarter of 2003, a UAW-represented assembler earns $25.63 per hour of straight time. A typical UAW-represented skilled-trades worker earns $29.75 per hour of straight time."
        Source: http://www.uaw.org/barg/03/barg02.cfm

        I think that it's shameful that UAW members make almost triple the US per capita income for work that is really unskilled labor (US Census estimates that per capita income is around $22k/year http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html). Never mind the fact that fully loaded cost of an employee is around 35% more than the actual salary.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Maybe GM wants the strike so THEY CAN DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!
      Then the contracts HAVE to be renegotiated!
      Food for thought people.
      • 7 Years Ago
      It certainly is difficult to defend some executive pay, particularly those at the very top, and even more particularly at a company that has lost billions upon billions in recent years. But remember, the average hourly worker is probably bringing home more than the average salary worker at GM and the other big three. As for the exectutives, simple: Supply and demand. In the business world, that is what US executives can command particularly if they are from a successful backgroung, good schools, etc. Whereas you could literally pull any kid out of 10th grade to do the vast majority of production jobs. Certainly there are exceptions to that, particularly in the skilled trades (who are only modestly overpaid as opposed to the grossly overpaid production workers). Bottom line, if you dont like the new world order that dictates that manual labor must compete on a global scale, I suggest you go to college.

      Forget who makes how much, GM is coming off a horrible March, and is probably due for a horrible summer. The American Axle strike has brought GM production to a halt at many plants. GM's only point of light is the strong sales of some of its new models. Now the UAW threatens that as well. It is as if the UAW is determined to put the automakers out of business or simply guarantee that every single US automanufacturing job gets outsourced. The appalling lack of concern for the hand that feeds you and long term prosperity is truly remarkable.
        • 7 Years Ago

        I have not said that you don't earn your money.

        You however, are not the only one with specific skills, and high stress. And there are people with more skills and more stress than you, who still make less money for it.

        The argument isn't about that. All of that income data is merely context to disprove that this is a matter of "a living wage", which it isn't.

        The argument is about personal behaviour, and self awareness and reliance. Most of all, RESPONSIBILITY.

        Most people can not behave like a union worker, and walk off the job when we are dissatisfied. We would be fired.

        The only people who can are union workers who have used the power of many people to assert inappropriate behavior.

        Might does not automatically make right, just as truly immoral greedy people who happen to make a lot of money are not right, nor are unions by bullying the businesses that they rely upon.

        Pretty much any strike is a temper tantrum/hissy fit in a country where employment is plentiful, and there are legal protections from being exploited as an employee.

        What makes a UAW worker somehow more valuable than any other person, a person like me, or a person doing a similar job in a non-union shop.

        The rest of us have to be responsible, and if we are not being dealt with properly, we have FREEDOM to quit, and go do something else. Slavery is long gone, and no one is indentured to their employer.

        THAT is the argument, as to why these people think that they, by the mere circumstance of being collectivized, think they are somehow more important than EVERYONE else.

        They think they are more important and valuable than their "opponents" in management who should be seen as collaborators, not enemies; their non-union colleagues, and everyone else in this economy who have to make their value plain, for the wage they earn.

        It is insulting to many of us that merely being unionized makes the rules not apply for union members than everyone else who has to make themselves economically viable.
        • 7 Years Ago
        For d3a, First of all, yes it is too much to ask, if you like your neighbors wage better, quit and go there. 2nd, since you only 21 yr old, smarten up and get you a$$ into school and get a good 4 yr degree. I say this with the utmost sincerity. Go nights, evenings, summers whatever you need to do. Going to school for mech engineering is the smartest thing Ive ever done. Do it now youll be done at 25. Dont wait.
        • 7 Years Ago
        hey mk,

        my job requires very specific skills and training as well. i never said it didnt. all i stated was that it didnt require a college education. not everyone can do my line of work. in fact there is a very high turnover rate becaues the job is stressful, and sometimes very difficult.

        but i feel that i earn every penny of what i make. and when i said 'neighbors' i meant people in this same city who do the same work as i do but get paid more simply because they work for the govt. and i dont. i work for a private company that happens to perform the same work.
        • 7 Years Ago

        Consider yourself lucky. At your age, with a college education, I could not find a job. When I did, I made around $18k/yr (inflation adjusted). I did not reach your income level until my early 30's.

        Objectively, if you have only a high-school diploma and are doing semi-skilled work, I would argue that you are making at least 2x what your value actually is. Like mk points out, most people in the US make a lot less than you do for a lot higher skill base. Just look at the numbers:

        Per capita personal income: $23,500
        Media household income: $46,300

        So you are making 30% more on your own than the median household income.

        Just look at this Wikipedia page to see how lucky your are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

        Most people at your age/education make around $26k/yr, which basically means you are highly overvalued.
      • 7 Years Ago
      The UAW has done more to damage US automakers than anything. GM should tell the UAW to F-off and hire people that will build their cars and trucks.
      • 7 Years Ago
      These union leader should be jailed for treason. They are killing your America economy.
      The big autmaker will be forced in to bankrupcy and emerge as a non union company. What are you high paid workers going to do when you losse them jobs anf you have to work for 20k per year. It is also a shame to see Ford pay their boss 10 or 20 million when the company is in shambles. It would be interesting to see what the Sians pay their top people. That money would be much better spend on producing better automobiles.
      • 7 Years Ago
      Unskilled laborers should always be at the bottom of any society. The only people who should be below unskilled laborers are winos who refuse to work.

      Only people with useful, specialized skills should have any decent position in society.
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