• Oct 12th 2007 at 1:29PM
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In his latest missive on the Fastlane Blog, GM car czar Bob Lutz checks in after a trip to Australia during which he sampled several new Pontiac G8s (he called the Ponchos "fabulous"), the Buick Park Avenue destined for China, and the Daewoo Veritas, another Holden sedan export. Oh, he also drove other development stuff that's in the hopper, including the Camaro development prototype. Lutz said that the car, despite being covered in a spy-photog-unfriendly black-and-white camo pattern, looked "as awesome as the concept" and that its power, sound and braking ability were completely in line with his lofty expectations. (That sound you hear is Brenda Priddy boarding a Qantas 747 to Oz.)

He describes the interior as being "remarkable" as well. We recently saw a GM video put together by the design group, in which a simulation of the Camaro startup process is shown from inside the car's passenger cabin. (It was not an actual car, but a super-high-quality computer simulation). If the interior shown in that video is indeed what's in store for the production Camaro, Lutz's use of "remarkable" is not at all out of line, and we'll all be yammering about it endlessly come January. According to Lutz's post, the Camaro is intended to be "the finest car in its class, ever." He's not doing or saying anything to temper our expectations, and based on what we've seen and heard on our own so far, there's no reason for him to do so.

[Source: GM Fastlane Blog]

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      • 8 Years Ago
      People think this way, what happend to the Camaro's and Firebirds sales? why did it never get back to anywhere near 80,000 which was average for it like back in the late 70's early 80's ? easy! They began to share engines, and after the 80's (the Iroc and GTA models had good interiors) the interior of the Trans am and Z28's where so freakin laughable!

      I cringe every day i sit inside my T/a... as i did with my 94 Z28...both cars, with how hard i tried to keep the interior clean would fall apart on the inside, cheap interior leather,broken dash, radio...name it and it would fade or break...thats what killed the sales...then i turn the car on and smile...its really fast =D
      • 8 Years Ago
      "Umm...you do realize the Corvette's 436hp V-8 is rated at 28mpg hwy, which is the likely choice for the Camaro. Granted the Camaro will be heavier, I bet it'll get at least 25mpg."

      No way it will get 25 mpg in the city. 18 maybe. With the cruise control set at 55 and a tailwind, maybe 25 on the highway.

      Yes, my pig SUV gets 17 mpg in the city. But it also has 4WD, which I use on a regular basis -- on the beach, at the gun club, and while hunting. And it has enough room for trips to Costco and Martha's Vineyard.

      Would the Camaro be fun to drive? Sure. I had a Trans Am way back in the Dark Ages. But at best it is a 2nd car and I bet they'll have a hard time moving 100,000 of them after the first year. First year demand will put them over, but after that? Nadda.
        • 8 Years Ago
        You have to use 4wd to get to the beach? What beach are you going to? And to get to the gun club? Last time I've checked, every gun club I've ever been to has had a driveway. You don't NEED an SUV. You probably need a minivan, but your small penis won't let you admit that.
      • 8 Years Ago
      I haven't liked camaros since the the '69 SS but this one looks great.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Silver, the SSR, Enclave, Solstice and , Sky says GM can do better. All were great concepts that got made it to production as stunning as their concepts.
        • 8 Years Ago
        but it did make it to production looking just like the concept
      • 8 Years Ago
      Challenger> Camaro.

      Challenger= successful musclecar fan.

      Camaro= Coors drinking mullet dropout.
        • 8 Years Ago
        I went to Transformers with my 52-year old dad, who is the furthest thing from a passionate car guy. thats not to say he doesn't like cars, he just doesn't keep his nose in it like i do. I get him to the NY Auto Show every year and he enjoys the BMW display or an Infiniti, but isn't driven to look at spy shots or anything like that.

        When Bumble-Bee changed into the new Camaro, his eyes lit up like a small child's... leaving the movie it was all he could talk about. I said, "haven't you seen the spy shots, the press, whatever?" "Nope, but I'm buying one"

        Last time i heard him utter that was for the convertible he owns. I don't doubt he will buy it. It is an impressive car. So the general public, i.e. my pops, isn't tired of it...
        • 8 Years Ago
        Challenger and Camaro are very different cars... the Challenger will be Larger, carry more people, be heavier, and more expensive than the Camaro...

        It's styling direction is also very different than the Camaro's even though they are both "retro".. Challenger aims to be as close to the 70 Challenger as possible... Camaro seems to have gone for the futuristic look, while still taking heritage cues from the 69 Camaro..

        I prefer the Camaro personally.. and while I agree the design may be getting old to some people like us who kee up with automotive news on an everyday basis.. i think the general public has had relatively limited exposure.. and i think the Camaro should be well recieved and will be better than the Challenger or Mustang in every category
        • 8 Years Ago
        Russel apparently drinks too much of the kool aid. What engine do most dragsters STILL use today? Oh, that'd be the hemi. Apart from the ultra rare yenko crap, Chrysler OWNED the musclecar era, and still does today. Cobalt SS gets raped by the Neon SRT4.
        • 8 Years Ago
        Ummm, you can come to this conclusion based on what experience? Neither car is out yet. So you are uneducated at best.

        And to those who say it looks stale, I was there when it was unveiled in 2006, I was there when they unveiled the convertible this year, and I just saw the red one (the one with no drivetrain) at a show in August, and I'll tell you it looks as sweet now as it ever has. And to be honest, this has had no longer shelf-life than the GT-R. I'd rather them take the time to do it right (which I think they are in both the GT-R and the Camaro's case) than to rush something to production and get it wrong.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Yawn, that design is already boring.
        • 8 Years Ago
        sweet, then don't buy one and stop posting on blogs about it.
      • 8 Years Ago
      reply system bugged
      • 8 Years Ago
      Given the current (and future expected) price of gasoline, the Camaro is basically irrelevant. How many people want a coupe that gets < 20 mpg in the city?
        • 8 Years Ago
        I wasn't aware the "muscle car" target audience (the ones seeking 400hp+ V8 versions) really gave a flying fiddlestick about gas mileage, and for the 16 year old girls who get one for their birthday and the midlife crisis mothers, there's the v6 which surely gets your magic 20mpg number, wherever you pulled that from. Do you not have a full size SUV thread to be commenting on today or something?
      • 8 Years Ago
      Gotta love Bob's hyperbole. Even if they're crazy comments, you still appreciate how he oozes with enthusiasm for cars. I think that's rubbing off for GM with cooler looking cars (Aura, Vue, G8, Malibu, CTS, etc)

      I just hope they don't tone down that wide, aggressive stance of the car.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Please, oh please--don't let this thing weigh 4,000 pounds!
      • 8 Years Ago
      I like it when Lutz boasts. Makes me all tingly.
      • 8 Years Ago
      Before being green-lighted, Lutz said they'd need to sell 100,000 Camaros a year for it to be approved. That's very optimistic.

      The Mustang sells about 160,000 a year and that's to a wide customer base, male and female, young and old. The Camaro's sales will be limited almost exclusively to males under 40, like before.

      "But this time it's different! The Camaro will be faster than the Mustang!"
      So was the last one.

      "But it will have superior handling!"
      So did the last one.

      "But it's so much better looking than the Mustang!"
      Any camaro fan will say the same about the old one.

      Only this time it'll be even harder. The sharp Challenger will be out and the Mustang promises to be much more of a moving target.

      Of course there are a lot of fans drooling over it and promising one will be in their garage but we'll see. It's not out yet and personal priorities change. When you opt for a more practical G8 or a sedan from the competition, remember, you're not the only one.

      I project that combined sales of the Camaro and the Challenger will never exceed or even meet the Mustang sales. So how long will GM decide they can afford it?
        • 8 Years Ago
        So you know 2 people who say they want one. Wow, I guess I was way off base then. I know two guys who couldn't wait to buy a Chevy SSR. Imagine my suprise when GM didn't sell a million of them.

        Maybe you don't understand why they need to sell 100,000 a year but Bob Lutz does and he's the one who came up with that number, not me. I only said that it won't happen and I stick by that.

        Just because a car shares a platform doesn't make it profitable. The SSR shared a platform with the Trailblazer. The GTO was on the Monaro platform. Every Oldsmobile shared platforms with other GM cars. That didn't make them profitable. The Camaro won't be either.

        Don't accuse someone of bias when you are clearly more biased yourself, judging by this and your other posts.
        • 8 Years Ago
        "there are hundreds of thousands of over 40's who would buy a nicely done camaro. id say that will be half the market for the higher end SS models"

        Hundreds of thousands spread out over 10 or 20 years maybe but it won't be around that long.

        Don't rush out and buy yours right away - the rebates will be soon to follow.
        • 8 Years Ago
        "The Camaro's sales will be limited almost exclusively to males under 40, like before."

        there are hundreds of thousands of over 40's who would buy a nicely done camaro. id say that will be half the market for the higher end SS models
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