• Nov 1, 2010
Spy Shots: Cadillac ATS mule – Click above for high res-image gallery

GM is investing heavily in its Grand River Assembly plant. Recently, the automaker announced it's pouring $190 million into the Lansing, Michigan facility, and one of the models expected to be built there is the upcoming Cadillac ATS. The ATS will slot below the CTS and will be built in a range of body-styles. According to GM Inside News, the ATS will first be launched as a sedan, with a coupe and convertible to follow behind. Eventually, a V-Series version will also be produced.

GM Inside News also reports that they have verified a timetable for the release of the ATS variations. The sedan will be released in the fall of 2012, as a 2013 model. Nine months later, a two-door will be made available as a 2014 ATS model. Another nine months after that and a convertible ATS will hit the streets. And of course we'll get to see a 2015 ATS-V as well.

Rumor has it that the ATS will be available with a wide range of engine options, starting with a naturally-aspirated four-cylinder that will be standard, while the 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder and a V6 will also be offered. For the V-Series, it's been said that Cadillac will stick with the V8 formula and shove an eight-cylinder unit under the hood of the ATS.



[Source; GM Inside News]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      4 or 5 YEARS for the "V" version? That's crazy, they're are missing out on years of what could be a great market for them (including me) by holding off so long. There's no conflict releasing the V about the same time as entry level versions, totally different buyers.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Just keep the weight down and the styling edgy and I will be the 1st one in line for it
      • 4 Years Ago
      V6 please

      I did test drive the G25 recently and I think the ATS withthe 4 cylinder should do ok agaist it (though likely to be down a bit on torques adn power)

      give me the v6 option and foget the turbo engine - i'm betting it will be the least realiable of the 3 options
        • 4 Years Ago
        It would be different if the Ecotec line wasn't... eight years old?

        ~170 HP from a 2.4 just isn't competitive when you've got 2.0's putting out 200 HP.

        And while I'm increasingly in favor of efficiency, I just don't see 200 HP being that great for a Cadillac unless you're talking a turbo with low-end torque in a car that weighs 2700 pounds. And a Cadillac with all it's noise-dampening materials isn't going to weigh 2700 pounds. =P
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ OLight:
        I was thinking the same thing. A naturally-aspirated 4 cylinder for a Cadillac?!
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Ligor & @Not THAT Matt - Agreed. My first thought was, "NATURALLY....aspirated...4-cylinder? [facepalm]" The world may need another hero...but not another Cimarron.

        A turbo-4 and a N/A 6 would be perfectly in line with competing products. Thumbs up for those 2 choices.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Why not the 2.0 Turbo Ecotec? 260 HP would be pretty healthy for a car of this size/weight. And offer the 3.6 DI as a higher-end engine option.

        260 HP and 306 HP - not bad.

        Just please don't offer the 2.4 NA Ecotec with it's weak 174 HP. That's not acceptable in a Cadillac.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I'm not a GM hater by any means but I am just sick of how long GM will talk about a car before it sees the light of day. I understand that the company has gone through some massive changes but my goodness two MORE years?
        • 4 Years Ago
        quote from mayot46: - "A prime example of a fail is the Camaro, i mean it took them 5-6 years to come out" -

        Actually 3yrs(less if you count from when it was actually approved for production).
        Debuted in Jan '06 at the NAIAS, on sale April '09.

        3yrs is a typical timeframe for a new vehicle you just often don't notice it because there is a previous version there to take your mind off of the new one.

        I will admit that GM is a bit overzealous as far as releasing info about their future plans, but to equate that with them taking longer than normal for development is quite misleading.

        quote from mayot46: - "plus it only took Ford what a year or two to do a 360 and make the mustang comparable to an M3." -

        Really? You believe Ford developed the new 5.0 in a year? That they shipped out the '10 models and then realized that it needed a better engine and they went and designed an all-new engine in that year and had it production-ready in that time? Man, I really need some of what you're smoking. The new 5.0 has been in the plans for a while, Ford just did their typical thing and released the redesign first and then the new engines the next year. They did it in '94 as well when they redesigned the mustang but the old 5.0 carried on until the 4.6L became available the next year.
        Blogs and magazines knew about the new 5.0 early in 2009 which means that it had already been in development for a fair while prior to that. It started showing up in test vehicles around mid-'09.
        http://www.mustangblog.com/blog/1017875_2011-ford-mustang-to-get-all-new-5-0l-v8-coyote-motor - Jan. '09
        http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/01/sources-say-coyote-and-ecoboost-engines-on-horizon-for-f150.html
        Also note that comparing the time to release a new engine and the time needed to redesign a whole new vehicle are completely different and you are trying to equate them here.

        quote from mayot46: - "The ATS will probably be a fail because all it is a stretched CTS. At least make it look different i mean." -

        You do realize that the images above are of a test mule which is actually a CTS body with ATS stuff underneath. That's not an ATS you are looking at there. Secondly, it wouldn't be stretched anyhow because the ATS will be smaller than the CTS. It's based on a totally different platform. The CTS is built on the Sigma II platform while the ATS is said to use the Alpha platform which will be stretched to underpin the next CTS and it's also said to be the platform for the next-gen Camaro as well.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Spy shots are often press releases. The strategic leak is an old, old device in public relations.
        • 4 Years Ago
        B: GM talked about the fabled "ATS" a few years ago, and even paraded something based on that small Holden platform.

        A couple of things to note: This car will not be based on that Holden, GM of two years ago is dead and gone.

        Would I like the ATS here today? YES. Am I going to whine and berate GM for taking the time to properly develop the car? NO. However, if the car that is delivered, is second rate and proves to a half-assed effort, then I'll be all over them.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Since when are spyshots considered GM press releases?!?

        GM isn't talking about this car, they are simply testing it and it was caught on camera. The time it takes GM to bring a car to market is no real different than any other car company - it's a multi-year process. We just happen to see more spy shots of GM (as well as Ford and Chrysler) products than foreign brands because for the most part, Detroit develops and tests in the US.
        • 4 Years Ago
        You think GM hasn't been talking about it? They paraded every auto journalist in the world through their product portfolio a year ago and yes the ATS was sitting right there in front of them. I know how long it takes to develop a car. I also know that GM tends to overpromote and wear us the F out by the time these things finally get here. It's one thing to get spyshots leaked onto carmags, it's a whole other to show the same mags the actual car 18-24 months before you reveal it to the public who will have to wait another 18-24 months to see it on a dealer lot.
        • 4 Years Ago
        They could always go Toyota's route and build 'em without testing.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I agree with B. But even when the car sees the light of day its still most likely a fail, even then what they did with the bucik lineup is pretty amazing. A prime example of a fail is the Camaro, i mean it took them 5-6 years to come out with and they couldn't make a convertible version or a Z-28 so it could compete in those segments with the mustang (which kicks the camaro's ass). All of the sales of the Camaro probably went to most of it's fan boys and then they dwindled down because the 11 Mustang is that much better and plus it only took Ford what a year or two to do a 360 and make the mustang comparable to an M3. GM needs to stop wasting money. The ATS will probably be a fail because all it is a stretched CTS. At least make it look different i mean.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Don't forget a diesel engine as well. Seems like a good product for European market.
      • 4 Years Ago
      What about GM's twin-turbo 3.0 V6?
      I think that is more likely than a V8 for an ATS-V
        • 4 Years Ago
        @MikeW

        Yes, a 450hp turbocharged 3.0L V6 would probably be a good match for the engine in the next generation M3 which is widely rumored to be a turbocharged 3.0L I6 with around that much power as well (though personally I think it'll come in a bit higher).

        However, putting a V8 in the ATS-V would definitely be a better way to get my attention. I am not anxious to go back to a six after the awesome S65 V8 in the current M3, so right now the next M3 is not high on my list. While a small block GM V8 is not going to rev sky-high like the S65, but at least it will have that glorious V8 sound. And, though GM may not have issues with their turbos, BMW is having all sorts of issues that have soured me on their otherwise brilliant N54/N55 turbo six.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Most people are hoping the twin turbo 3.0 will go head to head with the BMW 335i and an LSx v8 will go up against the M3.. If this isn't what we get, than we're missing the target for one or the other.

        Sal Collaziano
        Cadillac Owners dot com
        • 4 Years Ago
        MikeW: You folks keep forgetting that package-wise, the LSx motors are smaller & lighter than most DOHC V6s, and definitely lighter than any Twin-Turbo motor. With all of the additional plumbing required.

        Other than a 4-pot or a small straight 6, You really can't beat the LSx when it comes to packaging.

        My thinking is that the Corvette rear mounted transaxle could help with weight distribution.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I was thinking 450hp from a 3.0 V6, plenty enough to challenge the M.
      • 4 Years Ago
      So much win!

      and if the camaro will be based of this platform wont the camaro share the drivetrain? like a base v6? (i know the ats is a 4 pot but im not thinking the camaro will follow there)
        • 4 Years Ago
        MikeW: methinks you expect too much.
        • 4 Years Ago
        ATS: The least I'd expect is an 8 speed automatic (wet clutch pack instead of torque converter, 7500 rpm acceptable input speed)+ 200hp four cylinder; 300hp 3.0 V6, 400hp, 400ft-lbs twin-turbo V6
        Camaro: legacy 6 speed automatics, 250hp turbo 2.0 I4 (save some money on transmission, put it toward engine;) 350hp small-4.5 liters-ish new generation V8, 450hp big-5.5 liters new generation V8
      • 4 Years Ago
      GM, make sure that base 4 pot is pushing 200 plus hp. Seems kinda silly to me that the General has not upped the hp in the 2.4 DI passed its 182 hp level since Hyundai is pushing 200. That Hyundai engine had some pep to it!
      • 4 Years Ago
      I totally agree with these members, show the car, and then sell it ASAP. I thought they might have learned with the Volt. It not out and Im sick of looking at it. They've had it at darn near every autoshow, sema event, you name it. I get what they're trying to do but enough already. GM: WE'VE SEEN IT (VOLT) MULTIPLE TIMES, JUST STOP! NOW I DON'T LIKE IT. The only thing they accomplished is that I see the need for a redesign next year, oh wait that would be the first full year out, LOL, FAIL
        • 4 Years Ago
        Yep: Like the CTS failed, the Camaro Failed etc. GM has not showed the ATS yet, because there is nothing to show. Car buffs know about ATS, because we go seeking information on the car. Most of the folks that will end up buying this car doesn't even know that it in the pipeline.

        You folks whine about how long it takes to properly develop a new car, and begin moan six months after its been released that its so yesterday.

        You not being able bone the town slut on the first date, is a FAIL. Developing and bringing a new car to market is not the same thing.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Yes, spy shots are often strategically "leaked" in advance of production. However, what you're looking at here is a CTS exterior on the ATS suspension/drivetrain. That's what's being tested in these photos.

      The hints are there...wheelbase shorter than the exterior body, the fact that the body is, you know, a CTS, etc....

      Hard puzzle to figure out I guess, but GM isn't trying to show you anything here..and they're not.
        • 4 Years Ago
        This meant as a response to someone else's post. Reply fail...
      • 4 Years Ago
      ATS-V with an LS3 ( or the DI 5.5L from the C7) and a six speed manual please.
      • 4 Years Ago
      can all caddys stop looking EXACTLY the same... its a beautiful car and i understand the whole brand recognition thing, but they could try to differentiate it more. That being said the engine options look really nice.
        • 4 Years Ago
        :facepalm:

        Wow... I really didn't think that I would have to explain that the shots are of an ATS platform (thus the shots of the wheels which show that it will have a shorter wheelbase), all using a CTS body just for testing. It's called a mule and does not represent the actual look of the ATS at all.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ katshot

        Why?
        Well for one thing, I am sure the ATS body is not done yet. And it's easier to hide an ATS using CTS skin, than having to camo-up a non-existent ATS body. Also if all you are doing is preliminary testing on the ATS handling, then for the most part, the platform itself is all you need... who cares about the sheetmetal.

        All car companies do this. Look at that new Subaru that is being tested (the one that is the cousin to the FT-86). It was using sheetmetal/parts from just about every current Subaru model.
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