• Feb 4, 2010



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      • 4 Years Ago
      Also, my college professor works at Ford (at the Glass House) and last night I asked her what her and coworkers think about the Toyota and she told me everyone has a feeling that finally Toyota is getting its due in the media because usually they are all over the Big 3. In the past, recalls from the Big 3 were front page news, recalls from Toyota was in section C page 4 of the paper...
      jerry
      • 4 Years Ago
      nuke em again, what a bunch of liars, I pray the for the people ingorant people who buy there JUNK
      Wade
      • 4 Years Ago
      Where is all the outrage from the American people about the superior quality of the Japanese now? What superior quality? The American people are at fault for buying the Japanese autos. Most of these buyers don't remember, or don't care about Pearl Harbor where the Japanese slaugthered thousands of Americans when the Japanese were meeting in Washington D.C. fooling the President into thinking that they were going to end the war, while all the time the Japanese were planning this sneak attack. Now the American market is getting flooded with cars from Korea also, these same Americans must not remember the Korean War, or just don't care. These same people call theirselves patriots, I have another word for them, traitors. I suppose a few years from now you same Americans will forget about 911 also and if there is an automobile called a Bin Laden and its a few bucks cheaper than an American auto, you deporable people will buy it too.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Wade
        Well Wade - I'm the husband of a proud Rav4 owner. She's owned it a couple of years now, it has over 50K miles. So far it's been trouble free (knock on wood). However, our previous vehicle, a 2004 Ford Freestar, with even less miles was in the shop every 3 months, often for stays longer than just a day or two. It was, by far, the worst vehicle I've ever owned (and I've owned 6 American made vehicles in my life thus far). Before the Ford, we owned a Dodge Grand Caravan. It also had many problems, not nearly as many as the Freestar. I miss the Grand Caravan in many ways, but it simply became too much of a liability by the time it reached 100K. Say what you want about the quality of Toyota vehicles, but those of us who actually own them so far are pleased with their reliability. Do I like to drive the Rav4? Only when I feel like being lazy and disconnected. Toyotas are some of the most boring vehicles to drive. Absolutely no personality. Have I written off American vehicles? No, in fact I considered trading the Rav4 a couple of months ago for a new Chevy Equinox. Ford's new line of vehicles look very promising, but after our last 2 Ford vehicles, they have some proving to do.

        As far as your anti-Asian sentiments, well, I feel sorry for you. Evidently, people are not allowed to change. I'm doubting there is any deep-seeded anger embedded in the Japanese people towards Americans (except perhaps when they read posts by folks like you). Do they take pride in their country? Absolutely. They same as we do here. But don't start calling people traitors because they buy a car from a Japanese or Korean company. Those wars are over. Get over it. It's a new world we live in. Yes, we should remember the past and learn from our mistakes, so that we aren't doomed to repeat them. But sir, I take great exception to being called a traitor, when the only reason you have for calling me that is because I drive a couple of (trouble-free) foreign cars. I guess that flag that I fly in front of my house every single day means nothing. I'm very proud of my country. I love it dearly. There is no where else I'd rather live (and I've been on every continent on this earth, save Antarctica). But people like you embarrass me and every other American who realizes that we inhabit the Earth, which is made up of other countries that deserve the same amount of respect that you demand for us.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Wade
        The great thing about this country (and what we fought for in all those wars) was the freedom for individuals to make choices.

        If you don't want to buy a Korean or Japanese car than don't. All you can control is your own actions. Others can control only theirs. This is liberty, live with it. That is TRULY honoring the memory of those wars.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Wade
        Yeah...and what about Mercedes Benz and BMW and VW! We didn't like Germany a few times!

        No more Ducati, Ferrari, or Fiat (or Chrysler by proxy). Those Italians once were on the wrong side of history, dammit!

        How dare Americans drink German Beer and go to Italian restaurants, don't they remember Normandy or Sicily!

        No more Converse All-Stars, don't you know they are made in Vietnam! Gasp! We had a conflict there once. Must burn that bridge forever.

        No more Tango! Dont you know that the UK had a tangle once with Argentina? If we are true allies we can make this sacrifice in remembrance.

        Wait, what's that? We had a war with the British as well? Crap, lets just hate everyone!

        YOU ARE A MORON! How can you honestly write what you did and think that it makes any sense?
      • 4 Years Ago
      Per the National Law Journal:

      'Legal armada' sets sail against Toyota
      Amanda Bronstad

      February 3, 2010


      Legal attacks against Toyota Motor Sales USA Inc. escalated this week following fresh reports of product-safety defects afflicting some of the most popular vehicles in the automaker's fleet.

      And more suits are coming.

      "We're not done yet. We're just building," said Tim Howard, a professor at Northeastern University in Boston who as a plaintiffs' attorney specializes in consumer and products liability litigation. "But it's going to be a formidable legal armada that Toyota is going to have to deal with."

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      Yeah, it will be the attorneys who wind up making the most out of this disaster. Out of the affected Toyota owners, there has been a reported 30 to 50, maybe 200 Toyota owners who have actually had significant, legitimate problems/disasters due to this problem. The attorneys will turn it into a three ring curcus, and a money making mill, clogging the courts with frivalous lawsuits, none of which will be economically "productive", except for the attorneys.

      Over the years, I have seen numerous class action lawsuits where the class action plaintiffs (garnered by mass solicitations by attorneys) wound up receiving $3.00 to $25.00 and a lot of small "discounts" on future purchase of goods and services, and the attorneys walked away with MILLIONS of dollars in fees and expenses. In a couple of cases some of the plaintiffs actually lost money (a few dollars) because the legal expenses were greater than the court award. Of course those expenses included the attorneys' fees.

      In the end, it will be the consumers who pay for all of the lawsuit costs and awards by paying more for the costs of the Toyota cars or in insurance to pay for the costs of it all. Is it really in the USA's best interests to put Toyota out of business? How many factories and suppliers does Toyota have in the USA . . . how many Americans are employed by Toyota?

      Yes, compensation and damages are due to a few people; but the attorneys will exploit this to the hilt to their personal financial benefit, and to the long term detriment of the American people. the wealthy attorenys will become wealthier; and very few Americans will benefit from any of this.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Replying to Cindy: Unfortunately the world isnot perfect . . . or totally "fair"; and there are practicalities to all of these situations. If someone runs into and "totals" your ten year old car that was in good shape and running well, the insurance company is ONLY ging to pay for the greatly depreciated "book value" of the car; and is NOT REQUIRED to provide you with a comparable replacement vehicle. Your car was paid for and now you are forced to buy a new car because the depreciated book value of the "award" will NEVR be enough for a comparable car and all of the trouble that you have to go to in finding a replacement for your car.

        That is just the way the world works . . . it is not "fair" to the damaged party, is it? It ipartial compensation at best and the (fsic. forced) need to incur additional debt for a replcement car.

        And it is not PRACTICAL that Toyota totally replace all of those cars with BRAND NEW other vehicles. That would wind up with Toyota rasing their prices on all of their vehicles and probably laying off workers . . . and some of them would be American workers. At best Toyota should have to fully repair the problems and should give discount coupons or coupons for service work or parts or something.

        The matter of resolving the damages for those who have been killed or injured and/or their vehicles damaged due to the defects is another aspect that will have to be negotiated or litigated . . . but it is never really adequate for all of the costs and inconveniences. (The attorneys will get rich off of the litigation though.)

        The bottom line is that "Life is just not fair" and as my sister-in-law likes to say "Fair (sic. fare) is something that you pay to ride the bus . . .". Practical, at best, remedies are the best that we can hope for, unless we want to pay attorneys a lot in legal fees; and that doesn't guarnatee anything either, except for enrichment of the attorneys.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Luis - Your "Asians have a very different concept of corporate responsibility" is right on, but for a different reason than you state. How often do you read in these pages a story about an Asian corporate leader who takes his own life because he failed to do the right thing for his company? You will NEVER see a story about an American CEO doing anything like that. They take the money and run to a country with no extradition treaty with the U.S.

      In Japan they usuall take their own lives, in China the state takes care of that for them.
      • 4 Years Ago
      George...

      Seriously, take your meds...
        • 4 Years Ago
        Aww, his second comment got pulled... :-(

        I guess it was a little too near to what republicans actually believe.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Lunch time for Hyundai!
      smj
      • 4 Years Ago
      If people only knew all the facts before running there mouth. Media blows everything up, talk about the Japs...hello people the Jap cars aren't the ones that are messed so obv their doing something right over there. Its our US suppliers who are making the bad pedals read the bulletins out by NHTSA and Toyota. Most toyota cust are gonna stick by the brand. Every automaker has had major recalls at one point or another, it blows over. You fix the cars and all is forgotten the next big thing will come along. Unfort. it is just all Toyota right now, they will pull thru and remain at or very near the top. People think they have waited so long for this recall thats because most people believe the mat issue to be the same as the pedal issue and its not. Get your s**t straight before speaking. I have heard it said this is just a conspiracy to promote domestics I am smarted enough to know its NOT, yes Toyota screwed up and its been said by them. But parts are out and vehicles are being fixed. And yes I do own a Toyota that was affected and after the fix the pedal is much firmer I have no concerns of safety.
      jradio22man
      • 4 Years Ago
      I think what we need is more deregulations in the auto industry because the big auto companys will ALWAYS do the right thing for the American consumer.Republicanism is a wonderful thang
      • 4 Years Ago
      Bumper Sticker:

      Toyota Driver? If you can read this you are too close!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Except it needs to be printed backwards and stuck on the front bumper (or hood) like an Ambulance. No big deal if the Toyota is in front of you.

        Opps, just read your post again...bumper sticker for NON-toyotas. Ha ha, I get it...nice!

        Same place could sell both. The first should be mandated for public safety. LOL
      • 4 Years Ago
      Poor Toyota? Asians have a very different concept of corporate responsibility than Americans so. They are also very hesitant to question authority. A friend of mine who works for an investment firm was in China for a year and the level of corporate secrecy with regard to hiding information is incredible. He also mentioned a pilot for an Asian carrier who told him that first officers never question the judgment of the captain, even as a plane is about to crash. The level of discipline and lack of whistle-blowing has deadly consequences and the Japanese are apparently not immune.

      You can get away with that kind of malfeasance when you have excellent products, but once the cookie crumbles the whole house will come down.
      • 4 Years Ago
      It's like going through the 7 stages of grief here.... first denial now they are probably in the bargaining stage, or the anger and loneliness stage
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