• May 18, 2009
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When the 2010 Ford Mustang debuted, there was a collective groan among the pony car faithful that Ford didn't update the aging 4.6-liter V8 along with the 'Stang's new sheetmetal. So when a few spy shots surfaced in January showing a new aluminum engine nestled under the hood of a Mustang mule, we knew the Blue Oval had something else up its sleeve – and now we have confirmation.

According to Ford Australia's product development director, Russell Christophers, FoMoCo's U.S. team is working on an all-new, aluminum double-overhead cam 5.0-liter V8 – codenamed "Coyote" – with output expected to crest 400 hp and around 400 lb-ft of torque. Christophers told Australia's Drive, "I have seen the performance curves and it is a pretty good engine."

The new 32-valve, 5.0-liter V8 is expected to be fitted to the Mustang and F-150 sometime in 2010, replacing the current 4.6- and 5.4-liter mills. And with the inevitable option of the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 making its way under the Mustang's hood, Ford looks to be bringing the fight to the new Chevrolet Camaro.



[Source: Drive]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      @ John,

      I don think this engine will make 400 lb-ft torque either. And sydbot did not say about Lambo's 500 whatever. He is talking about "torque." 400/400 out of 5.0 N/A engine?? for the mass production car from FORD? hm.........no no...... just not going to happen.

      close to 400 hp / 360~370 ib-ft seems real to me. Still, out of 5.0 N/A V8, this is not bad at all!
      • 5 Years Ago
      BoxerFanatic

      the legacy gt has one of the worst braking perfomances of all the sport sedans. that car takes over 130 feet to stop from 60mph... mustang gt 110 feet. not to mention the .95g. oh yea that awd is great .85g... who has the crappy old platform. the new track pack mustang can handle most cars in that price range aorund a track including 350z, camaro ss. genesis coupe, cobalt ss, gto, g8 so actually i cant wait to see the taurus SHO make ur legagy gt scream like a little girl.
      • 5 Years Ago
      By that time I ll probably be done with school, so Yeah a black 400 hp mustang GT sounds like a great motivator to finish college ASAP.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Finally!!!
      Can't wait to see a showdown between the Mustang 5.0L and the Camaro SS!!! Will history repeat itself?

      On another note: I hope Ford prices the EcoBoost Mustang alongside the GenCoupe... that'll show those pesky Koreans why Mustang is legendary!
        • 5 Years Ago
        You're whining a lot today Boxer Fanatic.

        I was a diehard import guy and have driven the Legacy GT(and was going to buy one) so its painfully obvious to me that you have not actually driven or raced any of the domestics you dog out. Stop reading what people "say" a chassis should do, and go find out for yourself what it actually does. Because your assumptions are wrong. The genesis is a very nice car but its not better than the new Mustang unfortunately. It puts up worse handling, braking, and performance numbers, and its interior isnt as nice.And you need to go drive a taurus SHO when it comes out then pick any other fullsize vehicle go drive that, and compare. Also, if you want a small domestic coupe thats quick, buy a solstice coupe. It's faster than your car and proper wheel drive(according to you). It also has a modern suspension.It's also modern looking, feeling, and driving. And just as you predicted, everyone loved it SO much more than the rut bound muscle cars that that it lost sales wise to the mustang all over the board and its being discontinued.(/sarcasm) But you can still pick one up until next year so there's your car.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Boxer,

        GM tried selling a smaller bland coupe. They called it the GTO. It was a dismal failure (though we'll see if the Genesis can beat its yearly sales, remember the "failure G8" still outsells the Genesis sedan).
        • 5 Years Ago
        well the mustang would be done 20hp, but probably also 10x as many pounds.
        maybe
        • 5 Years Ago
        @BoxerFanatic
        One more thing... those are $35k cars cost so much because they are much bigger and have more expensive transmissions and suspensions, along with more electronics and nicer interiors. I'm hoping for the EcoBoost Mustang to start at $28k and finish around $32k... with the 5.0L starting at about $30k and finishing at $34k. But we'll just have to wait and see :)
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Talisman above....

        First of all, I am not whining. I am responding, and being challenged. Last I checked, this is a discussion... I'll even stand corrected on the VVT-pushrod deal... I didn't realize that Escalade and Viper had it, but that is still pretty rare.

        The Mustang isn't the end-all, be-all, and the Genesis Coupe is not some pitiful joke, as others have made out to be, either. I'll give interior design to the Mustang, although both Genesis, and 05-09 Mustang feel like a dead carp to the touch.

        The exterior on BOTH Mustang and Genesis leave things to be desired. At least the Genesis is trying to live in the now, and not relive the glory days, albeit not without their own design issues. The GT Mustang with nice options weighs more than 3500lbs, and even then, it is at or above my 4-door Subaru, which is fully loaded, and has a 'heavy' AWD system, and probably better safety ratings than Mustang does, and My subaru still has ~300hp and torque, and is WORLDS better in the rain and snow than either the Genesis or the Mustang. And it is more practical and better appointed inside than a Solstice GXP for every-day driving.

        I drive on the street, not on the track. Even street cars that see track time live 90% or more on the street. Track lap times mean less on broken frost-heaved pavement. Here's a concept, TRACTION CONTROL STARTS WITH THE SUSPENSION DESIGN. You can't control traction that gets upset by the very nature of a live axle geometry change.

        I HAVE driven a 2005+ mustang, as a relative of mine owns one. I have personally owned a fox body Mustang, a Ranger 4x4, a 93 Probe GT, and a Miata, all products by or at least connected with Ford. I have also driven other cars of various layouts and configurations, so you can put your argument to rest. And my criticisms don't center around the track, or around ungrounded theory. I know how cars behave first hand on real everyday streets, even if I haven't driven every last variation of every last model. Not everybody can work for Autoblog.

        Making a full size car fast by putting a couple of turbos under the hood doesn't make it a sports car. Taurus SHO never will be, even if it is fast. It is still a huge car, and it's Lincoln MKS-EB stable mate weighs over 4200lbs... how much does Taurus SHO weigh?

        The Pontiac Solstice coupe is cancelled almost before it begins, I am not going to buy a car that is obsolete before it is even built, let alone from a company that mandates Own-Star, black box recorders, or is controlled by the federal government. It doesn't feel modern, at least not to the touch (again, dead carp) and it isn't a car that I can practically justify everyday.

        The fact is, Ford has nothing now, and GM doesn't either, and nor did they three years ago when I was buying between a completely impractical but probably fun, Solstice Coupe, and a 2-ton G8 GXP 6-speed, (both now cancelled with barely any to be built) with AWD that can get me around in a mid-western winter as well as my current car can. Believe me, I spent 2 years looking for anything and everything, before I bought my Subaru. The big 3 probably won't have anything in another couple of years when I am ready again. The sad thing is, Subaru probably won't either, considering their '10 Legacy GT has swollen up too.

        The fact remains, not everyone wants retro or huge or a tiny matchbox as options, and not everyone is willing to compromise for FWD, and the Big 3 don't offer anything else.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Only the Viper has variable valve timing: variable exhaust valve timing.
        The rest of the bunch have variable camshaft timing.

        • 5 Years Ago
        @Frylock.

        I said nothing about BLAND. I said modern. I said not retro-tastic. It doesn't have to re-live past glory days like a middle-aged man reliving high-school sports... like Al Bundy.

        GM barely advertized the GTO, they gave it a name it couldn't have lived up to, it was a model on it's way out, being replaced by the Zeta platform Commodore, and it had to be federalize by putting the fuel tank in the trunk, cutting trunk space, and prohibiting any sort of pass-through, IIRC. Plus it wasn't all that light, nor that modest in size, and it looked like the soft-styled late 90's car it was, not a new car.

        If that was GM's effort, it was measured and found wanting by the public. It was a big engine. it wasn't a truly full-effort project, and is emblematic to GM's treatment of Pontiac that led to their decision to cancel the brand, rather than put in the work to FIX it, and actually offer something. Zeta Commodore/G8 was decent, but it was bigger and heavier, not more efficiently packaged and lighter.

        @Serge
        So which is it... FWD is good, or is it so complex that it costs a ton, making the new SHO almost $40k, when the regular Taurus is likely NOT that expensive.

        I mentioned symmetrical longitudinal AWD because it DOES work better. It is more like RWD, and RWD works better than FWD.

        I would rather drive my Subaru every day of the year, rain, shine, sleet snow or hail, than a FWD car like Crap-bolt, er Cobalt SS, with torque steer. I have driven high-powered FWD turbocharged cars, and they are a NIGHTMARE for torque steer, and they handle like an understeering albatross at the limit.

        I'd rather drive a good RWD car through the winter than one of those. And Haldex doesn't cut it for AWD, if you have ever driven REAL AWD, like Audi's longitudinal Quattro, or Subaru's AWD... Slip-reactive haldex is by definition TOO LATE.

        Proper drivetrain design is still proper drivetrain design, and that is longitudinal. Economical compromises for Transverse FWD are still FWD. It is better to start from an inherently proper design to begin with, than to try to make a compromized design perform better.

        Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that Ecoboost will be cheaper than a V8 NA engine, with all the additional materials to support turbocharging. I drive a turbo car every day, and I pay the costs to maintain it, and feed it. It isn't because it is less expensive than a bigger NA engine. It isn't.

        So keep drinking your kool aid man. Keep believing that anyone outside of the Big-3 builds inferior products by comparison, and that everyone else wants the same things that you want, like live axles, or 2-ton cars, or front-drive pullers, and you'll still be wrong in some cases.

        I want to believe that the big 3 will survive long enough to actually make something compelling for me to buy, but they continue not to. I'll entertain the option if they ever do, and I'll keep watching for it... but not holding my breath.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The only cars that are seeing the EcoBoost so far are well north of $35K (Taurus, Flex, MKS, MKT) But, I guess we'll see.

        Funny but those "pesky" Koreans are building a car with an actual road-going suspension (rather than Mustang), and modern styling, and that weighs less than 2 tons. (rather than Camaro or Challenger).

        Maybe if those rut-bound american companies would build something modern looking, feeling, and driving, while being modest-of-weight, with a proper chassis for a sport coupe, they might sell to more people...

        Even if they were to wear Pontiac (too late for that now), or Mercury badges, along side the Chevy or Ford retro-mobiles. Chrysler may be too far gone for such a vehicle as an alternative to Challenger.

        Not everyone wants 40 year old nostalgia, even if most of us don't be-grudge it to those who do want it.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The GTO was

        A: Ugly.

        B: Heavy.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Now can we please get 6th gear for the Mustang?
      • 5 Years Ago
      If the Mustang comes with the Eco Boost V6 with 350hp and 350tq I think I will be sold...
        • 5 Years Ago
        The girlies on standby waitin just to say hi.
        Did ya stop?
        Naw, I just drove by...
        • 5 Years Ago
        @TyWright

        Did you by chance break out your Z Cavaricci's when you typed that? ;) Or maybe your IOU sweater?

        ROFL

        A1A Beachfront Avenue
        • 5 Years Ago
        I get more girllies with a MetroCard
      sacarguy
      • 5 Years Ago
      hey idiots
      the current 4.6 3 valve v-8 IS a aluminum block .. lol ...
      • 5 Years Ago
      I highly doubt 400ft-lbs. 375ft-lbs seems correct.

      Just how large will the bore/bore spacing be?
      This is the reason Ford is married to superchargers
      http://image.mustangmonthly.com/f/10615291/mump_mod_07_z+ford_overhead_cam_modular_v8+.jpg
      http://image.mustangmonthly.com/f/10615462/mump_mod_26_z+ford_overhead_cam_modular_v8+.jpg
      http://image.mustangmonthly.com/f/10615495/mump_mod_30_z+ford_overhead_cam_modular_v8+.jpg

      Is the rumored 7.0 V8 102mm bore x 107mm stroke
      Would Ford really make a highly oversquare 5.0 again? 102x76.5
      That would require Ford to cap power to maintain torque in the F-150 350hp 350ft-lbs

      With such a large bore, and 4 valve/cylinder and variable intake & exhaust timing. 400hp@6500, 375ft-lbs@4500 should be a go for the Mustang.
      • 5 Years Ago
      "Nelly, the RWD version of Ecoboost, will make significantly more power than 355/365hp. They are expected to be in the 425hp range.

      The limiting factor for the AWD Ecoboost vehicles, is the transmission. No such limit exists for a RWD version.

      Thus, the 355hp version, is the "de-tuned" version. "

      If thats the case, then they should make a 2 to 2.5 liter DI turbo 4cylinder and bring back the svo mustang. Its a nameplate that resonantes with people now in buying power. 30+ Also a lighter weight aluminum 4banger will also appease the tuner / scca crowds.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The Coyote (32v dual-cam) 5.0 V8 will be much heavier than the current "aluminum" 4.6 (24v single-cam) V8 because of the "monster" heads containing the dual cams and 16-value train per bank. It'll need the 400Hp.

      Preference is the 400HP & 400ft-lbs torque 3.5 EcoBoost V6 because the longitudinal install will allow higher output (vs. 365HP SHO) and easier torque handling vs. FWD. Plus this V6 is lighter than the v8 so performance should be superior with the Ecoboost, and higher MPGs to help meet the 42mpg CAFE rqmts. Call the EcoBoost Mustang the Mach-1...
        • 5 Years Ago
        @that one person...

        3500lbs is likely a no-option GT. My subaru with all the options is at that or lighter, with a heavy AWD drivetrain, leather, and all... And it does have a turbo 4 that isn't exactly a fuel sipper for the performance it has.

        Comparing it to a Camaro, and saying that it is good is like saying a Mike Tyson is a light-weight compared to a sumo wrestler. He is still a big guy.

        I am not that impressed that Genesis V6 and Infiniti G37 are not lighter than they are, either. All of the coupes likely suffer from bloat due to government safety regs, which ironically turn around harm their efficiency numbers, and make the cars handle more like big cars.

        I wish there were some better middle ground between a 4000lb Camaro, and a FWD Honda Civic or Hyundai Tiburon, none of which sound good to me. Who can build a 3300lb modest coupe with good looks and proper drivetrain?

        If the Mustang GT/SVO/Mach, whatever... were 8/10ths of it's current size, had a proper suspension, a better V6 option, and 32-3300lbs, then we'd be starting to get somewhere, and I would probably be much more of a fan, like I formerly was. Mustang just hasn't kept up with that, they've gone back to the big-car late 60s, early 70's paradigm, rather than the lighter, modern for their day Fox Mustangs, when SVO was more of a real tour-de-force of what Ford could do.

        This Coyote 5 liter V8 does sound interesting, I just wish it were going into a chassis/body that I could enjoy. I really wish FoMoCo had built, and were currently building that alternative as a Mercury.

        I want to like this stuff, but all I see are drawbacks and compromises. Multiple tens of thousands of dollars is a lot of money to pay for drawbacks and compromises, especially when one can't afford to have several different cars for several different roles.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Not Mach1, that just doesn't seem to fit. Rather, call it the SVO - that's more in the spirit of the powertrain.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I know a lot of people that would be pretty steamed if some turbo hoopajoo got a Mach 1 nameplate.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Boxer...Large weight loss program? A GT weighs in at around 3500lbs. That's not too shabby considering a V-6 Camaro weighs about 200lbs MORE. A V-6 Mustang is around 3400lbs. You get an EB 4-cyl in there producing roughly 270hp or so, it will most likely be just as quick as a V-6 Mustang or possibly quicker.

        Also, I doubt the 5.0L will be MUCH heavier.

        Oh and those pesky Koreans couldn't make the Genesis 3.8L any lighter? That thing weighs close to a Mustang GT...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Don't talk out of your ass, the 4v mustang heads weigh less than 50lbs more than the 3v ones. Even with that 50lbs it's nowhere near the pig heavy camaros and challengers that will be thoroughly smoked when this puppy comes out.
        • 5 Years Ago
        It would need a LARGE weight-loss program, a suspension transplant, and a lot more than just a turbo or two under the hood for SVO.

        I know SVO had a live axle, but that was also 1984. The 84-86 SVO was a tech-car for it's day, as a foil for the 84-86 Mustang GT that was more of an all-engine-car. A new "Tech-car" mustang needs to have a lot more tech than a turbo to be an alternative to "a big engine, 4-wheels, and a seat."

        The 05+ mustangs seem a lot more nostalgic than anything. I have a hard time visualizing them as a tech-heavy modern sport coupe.

        Now if G37S coupe would get the VK50-VVEL engine... That is tech-heavy, and unfortunately slightly curb-weight heavy as well...

        If only Mercury and Pontiac had answered the G35 coupe when it arrived, or undercut the A5 or the BMW 3-series coupe...
        • 5 Years Ago
        First of all, the Coyote is not a modular engine. It uses the shim over bucket direct actuating cam package as the 3.5 V6. This is considerably lighter and smaller than the DOHC Mod heads.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Why would DOHC heads be THAT much bigger than SOHC heads? The Cobra heads for the Mod 4.6L aren't that much bigger than the standard heads that were on the previous gen Mod motor (in the last Fox chassis cars). DOHC will likely only add another 5-10 lb per head.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Boxer

        Curb Weights
        Hyudai Genesis Coupe 3.8L- 3389 lbs
        Ford Mustang V6 Manual - 3400 lbs
        Ford Mustang GT Manual - 3535 lbs
        2009 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT - 3428 lbs

        Power to weight ratio
        Hyudai Genesis Coupe 3.8L- 11.1
        2010 Ford Mustang GT Manual - 11.2
        Coyote Mustang Estimated - 8.8
        2009 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT - 14.1

        Don't regurgitate what you hear or go on running your mouth...yes, the mustang weighs more...but 11lbs or even 146lbs isn't "overweight" by any means. I agree the car would be much better if it was lighter, but wouldn't anything?

        I also threw in the Power to weight ratio for good measure. I don't know if your Subaru is a Legacy 2.5 (i guessed, but it has the best numbers of the bunch). I estimate the Coyote Mustang to be a good 60% better in this category then your boxer power car. And don't forget about the .95g lateral acceleration (Legacy .86g's/Genesis .87g's)
      • 5 Years Ago
      Sweet! I'm excited about the engine!
      I really want to see the Falcon over here in some form, though.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Grabber Blue 5spd Deluxe coupe with the 19s, here I come...
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