• Apr 29, 2008


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We're rather pleased that Saleen has seen fit to offer their excellent 302 cubic inch V8 as a crate engine. Having driven several Mustangs equipped with the powerplant , we feel qualified to say that this is an engine more than worthy of carrying on the 5.0 legacy. If you want take-no-prisoners style horsepower, consider opting for the supercharged model, which we found almost too powerful for every day use in the Saleen S302E Mustang. Perhaps a more streetable choice would be the naturally-aspirated version that we sampled in the Saleen/Parnelli Jones Limited Edition Mustang.

Regardless of your choice of induction, the base engine will have started life as one of Ford's 4.6 liter modular blocks. After being bored and stroked to the requisite five liters, the block receives bigger injectors, ported aluminum heads, performance camshafts, forged-aluminum pistons, forged-steel connecting rods and a forged-steel crank. Power levels range from 390 to 580 horsepower, depending on your choice of options. You can peruse the complete press release after the break.

[Source: Saleen]

PRESS RELEASE

Saleen Introduces New High Performance 302 'Crate' Engines

TROY, Mich., April 28 -- Saleen is offering, for the first time in company history, its high performance 302 cubic inch (5.0L) premium crate engines for sale through its Speedlab Aftermarket Division. The engine will be available in either short block or long block varieties to satisfy the most seasoned of engine builders and power enthusiasts.

Saleen offers the same OEM quality, durability and precision-built engines used today in Saleen built performance vehicles. The legendary 302 engine has already made its rightful return to the performance stage in Saleen product offerings such as the Parnelli Jones Edition, Heritage Series, and the new 25th Anniversary Sterling Edition. Consumers now have the opportunity to upgrade their existing vehicle with a high performance Saleen 302 crate engine.

"This addition to our aftermarket product lineup was a no brainer," says Carlos Duran, Manager of Saleen's Speedlab Aftermarket Division, "This engine is currently at high production rates, which allow for quick delivery to Saleen Speedlab consumers. We want to provide our customers with the utmost in confidence relating to this new line of products."

PERFORMANCE

The 302 cubic inch crate motors (available in both long and short blocks) are available for naturally-aspirated or supercharged applications. Based on the 4.6L 3V Ford aluminum block, the entire internal package is upgraded with premium Saleen engineered forged pistons, rods, crankshaft and valve train components, and camshaft that will exceed the requirements of even the professional engine builder. The basis of our performance data is from the current 2008 Heritage Saleen platforms. Our packages will range from 390hp (normally-aspirated 302 engines) to 580hp (supercharged 302 engines) using existing EPA certified induction and exhaust systems. Furthermore, these packages can be further upgraded with 6 speed transmissions, high performance clutch/flywheels, higher performance rear end differentials, Watts link rear suspension kits and, of course, superchargers.

"We are very excited to put the 302SC long block engine into the drag racing circuit this year under the hood of the Saleen Speedlab/JDM Engineering performance drag car", states Michael Lingo, Vice President of Operations & General Manager - Aftermarket Division, "We are planning to place the vehicle on display throughout the season; proving the durability and reliability of the Saleen motors in the most demanding environment imaginable." The 302 crate engines will launch in May, 2008 and will be available for purchase direct from the factory or through select Saleen Speedlab dealers. Call today at 800-888-8945 to speak directly with your Saleen Speedlab specialist.


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      • 6 Years Ago
      People with Mustang GTs are getting anywheres from 20 -30 MPG with a stock 4.6L. Depends on how much you press the loud pedal.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Now, if there were just a compelling ford RWD chassis and body to put an engine like this into...

      Maybe a fully seam-welded, subframe connected, roll-caged fox-body t-top capri/four-eye mustang hybrid, with a late SN95 IRS, and a tremec 6-speed...

      or some kind of mid-engined kit car...

      Something lighter and less bluntly shaped than the S197 Mustang.

      heaven forbid there were a modern mercury coupe that I could put such a crate engine into.

      I want a G37 coupe with the FX50's V8 in it. If there were a RWD Mercury coupe that looked as modern as that, and had a modern suspension and interior, and could run this 5-liter crate engine... how would that be bad for FoMoCo?

      But no...

      Nice engine, though.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @mk,

        Did you happen to catch the outcome of the Speed World Challenge GT race at Long Beach?

        That's right, a road track (that's real world roads closed off for the weekend and turned into a race track) won by get this- a solid axle Mustang, up against Porsche GT3s (turbo 6), Corvettes (V8), Vipers (V10), CTS-Vs (V8) and other assorted cars in the field. The driver is also competing in his first full year in the series and was up against factory drivers and previous series champions.

        Also for the record, most tracks are not pool-table-smooth, and a good driver uses the rumble strips to get that few feet extra of track space to keep as high a corner speed as possible.

        I will grant you that IRS does help in the bumps around turns, but not as much as you claim it does. It's much more for comfort than performance. I'm not saying that the Mustang shouldn't get IRS, though I've never needed it (on track or on the street), but it was obviously a decent choice and setup in that car.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Well mk,

        If you watched that race, you'd notice that they even commented on how the front splitters of the cars were vibrating from the road inconsitencies, but agreed that you're right that midwest roads are worse than those in CA.

        I live in Chicago (not the suburbs), so I know what junk roads drive like, they make the stuff in IA look like new construction by comparison. I personally don't do full throttle accells over potholes whether in an IRS car or a live axle one. I already conceded that the solid axle car is bumpier, however, it's not uncontrollable or unusable on those roads. I never said it was superior, just that IRS isn't superior enough for me to whine about the difference. The racing success just showcases that it can provide the rear grip necessary at the edge.

        I race an older Fox Mustang that easily keeps with and surpases IRS cars all day at the track. Of course it's modified but still has solid axle. I also am able to drive it on the street, the difference in spring rate makes a bigger difference in the impact harshness than the axle setup.

        Also for your info, there are road racers that go back to live axle for their cars in new edge Cobas. Again, the durability is there and the tradeoffs in handling are minimal. You don't see this in other cars because the live axle setup doesn't already exist on those cars, it wouldn't be cost effective to do this.

        I assume BMW, Nissan, etc. agree that IRS is going to be a useful setup on a complete fresh design where price and weight are not a factor (each BMW and the GT-R are overweight as it is), however, many of the Mustang's sub systems were continued from the previous car. The rear axle is the same save for the width and suspension pickup points. I'm sure that did save considerable money that was used to keep the V8 cars starting in the mid $20k price range and to keep the weight the same as the car it replaced despite being larger and stiffer structurally.

        I just get sick of hearing all these people get on and rip on the setup because it isn't the latest design. The motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" applies here as far as I'm concerned. Of course if Ford saw it feasible to switch to IRS, I wouldn't complain, nor would it stop me from buying a newer Mustang if it were better than my S197 for the street- that is unless it drives the price of the car to a point I'm not willing to pay for a coupe.
        • 6 Years Ago
        For peat's freakin sake.

        We've been through this. It is a bullcrap excuse and attempt at justification.

        Any tuned car can do pretty well, or even very well on a pool table smooth track. That is the only place, aside from under a TRUCK, that a solid axle does well.

        I don't drive on a freakin' track. I don't RACE to work. I drive to work, on some pretty uneven broken pavement surfaces, and that isn't going to change.

        An independent axle does better over real-world streets. No two ways about it. BECAUSE IT IS FREAKIN INDEPENDENT!!!!

        Most of the more powerful mustangs push the scales from 3600lbs to north of 4000lbs. That is not light for a two door coupe. In an era of ever increasing hysteria over fuel mileage, why are light cars such an anathema to the market? (gov't safety regs are part of it)

        People could keep horsepower and torque, and would gladly give up weight. Why are the muscle-car triplets so heavy, with no real 2+2 alternative from the "big 3"? Solstice targa 2 seater is the most compelling performance car in quite some time from any of them.

        I don't begrudge people their taste for nostalgia in the Mustang's styling. I like looking at mustangs, but I wouldn't buy one. I liked the Grand Canyon, too, but that doesn't mean I want to live in it.

        My precious nissans??? I like the G37 because it looks good, and drives from the correct end, both at the same time. Unfortunately, it is just as heavy as the Mustang, but nicer inside and out for the weight, and price, and happens to have about as much horsepower out of a 3.7 V6 that the Shelby GT has, upgraded from the GT, with a liter and two piston advantage.

        The Mustang's fit, finish, ride quality, and design have nothing on the Infiniti. Ford could do it, but they chose not to. I would like a Mercury just as much or more than the Infiniti, if Ford would build a mercury that looked as good as the G37 does.

        As of now, I am most enthused about the forthcoming potential of an AWD Subaru coupe, that WILL be relatively light weight, and have more traction with better handling than a production Mustang could dream of. We have yet to see what it will look like, though.

        Funny, all of the other cars you mentioned, M3, Nissan Z, Porsche, are all 6-cylinder cars. Mustang has two more cylinders and a liter of displacement advantage. Probably to overcome the balance and weight problem that the mustang has, compared to the others.

        I would drive ANY of those other cars over a Mustang on the street. I have driven an S197 Mustang on the street, and was not impressed. Nice, but not impressive.

        The engine they describe is a nice engine, and I like the ford modular engine in general. But the Mustang isn't all that. It is just what it is, and what it is, is a live-axle, big, heavy two-door car. Not everybody wants that, I hope you realize.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Properly installed, a crate engine should not be any different than a
        factory installed engine, (granted, no warranty) if the engine and
        chassis are compatible, including the ECU. Most Ford Modular motors
        are quite cross compatible.

        But still, even a weekend warrior with a crate engine, would still
        spend far more time on the street than on any track.

        But you are right, this is about engine, not about chassis or body.
        Although about the only Ford car to put this in would be an older
        ford, or a current Mustang or truck. With Saleen, I would figure this
        would be sold as an engine upgrade option for modular engine fitted
        Mustangs, with their benefits and drawbacks.

        Money and availability not being an issue, I would consider the same with the mentioned Subaru coupe that is forthcoming... and transplanting in a current or near future STI-grade 300+ hp turbocharged flat-4, if the car isn't available as such from the factory. Subaru engines are also quite modular and cross-compatible.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @mk

        Not that I disagree with everything you've just said, but perhaps you should reconsider putting a crate motor into your daily driver. Just trying to stay on topic here.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "The Mustang's fit, finish, ride quality, and design have nothing on the Infiniti."

        Note to MK dude: Infiniti is a luxury car. It better have a nicer finish and interior.

        As for "any tuned car...". How come you clowns always forget the other cars racing are tuned, and are supposed to be "true" sportscars. The 350Z tuned and 997 tuned and M3 tuned got their lunch fed to them by S197 stangs regular for 3 years. In 2005 it was TOTAL dominance. Why don't you read up on Koni specs before saying more jackass coments? The S197 is an exceptional platform, and best of all its cheap.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Mike....

        Why then, do BMW, Nissan, and every other Front-engined Rear-drive race car in that series, or ANY race car in any other series besides NASCAR and NHRA...

        ...NOT PUT AFTERMARKET LIVE AXLE SUSPENSIONS IN THEIR RACE CARS?

        No one takes an IRS car and puts a live axle back in it, save for some new-edge SVT Cobra owners who do it to drag-race. If the Live Axle was so good, and worked so well, people would be reverting to it in droves.

        But yet AGAIN, I don't RACE my street car. I drive on the street.

        Why does no other RWD road car, aside from Ford Panther triplets, and the Mustang use them. Not the GTO, not the forthcoming Camaro, and not the Challenger. Certainly not the Corvette, anything from Japan, Korea, or Europe. I doubt even the knock-off chinese replicas use live axles on RWD street cars.

        Just because a live axle can be made to work to some slight success on the race course, more easily than re-designing the suspension and chassis, doesn't mean it is ideal.

        And paved streets in Long Beach California have NOTHING on Iowa pot-holes. Race on that, and we'll see... Frost heaves, uneven pavement, pot holes, and all manner of broken road surfaces, the likes of which a native southern california driver has never seen.

        If I wanted something that rode like a truck over that stuff, I would buy a truck.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You know ford won a sportscar mfct championship in 2005 (and 2nd in 2007) on this exact RWD chassis and suspension,eh? That was against 997s, M3s, and your precious Nissans, which btw have never been in the top 3 in points. look it up. Koni Challenge.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Ooh...maybe now's the time to get an old Volvo 960 and a Converse Engineering kit...
      • 6 Years Ago
      Not that it matters, but wouldn't MPG depend on what you put it in?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Hell, everyone is talking about fuel economy. The Z06 gets 28 mpg.. I've seen and witnessed it.

      As for the new crate.. this is awesome. I always love what Saleen does with a motor, and this is really cool. If I had money, I would be throwing this bad boy in my F150.. but I don't.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Some of you are missing the point here concerning the Mustang; when you're talking G37, you do realize it's basically $8K-$10K more expensive than a GT? For the money the Mustang is a brilliant Bargain and the Chassis is Race proven-I'll concede the IRS argument but again the Rear was completely reworked for the S197 and works well for the Street. Mustang Weight Distribution? 52-48, not too shabby there either.
      • 6 Years Ago
      What about the dollars, or should we not ask, because if you have to ask...
        • 6 Years Ago
        Poulton: Ever heard of Autoblog Green?

        The HP war is not over, it will just go back to being guerilla warfare all over again.

        Why do you think that all major US manufacturers offer "Crate Engines"? They'll sell you the CAFE approved weakling at the showroom, and if you so desire you can purchase a full factory warrantied crate motor, that turns it into a beast. .....and there is nothing that you or the federal can do about it.

        BTW: if you want a fuel efficient buy the V6 'Stang. If you want one of these beasts, it can be had at a price. Fuel efficiency is a part of that price.

        Not rich yet, still working at it though.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Poulton: WTF? I'll say this slowly, and I'll say it just once. There isn't a single person alive today, in any of the 50 states, the District of Columbia or Canada, that is interested in purchasing any high performance crate motor that gives a piss about the MPG.

        Okay all things are not for everyone, and obviously you should have skipped over this particular topic. This is so way over your head.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Who said fast cars can't be friendly to environment & provide more miles per gallon? If "Auto-Makers" were too busy by accomodating OIL Importers, We, the people, would have a car that can actually run fast without hurting our future. Horsepower war is over. It IS time for the car companies to assist the consumer. But you are rich & ignorant, so you won't understand.
        • 6 Years Ago
        poor pluton, a simple little parrot with no cracker.

        he doesn't understand economics and blames oil companies for his woes.... one day, when he grows up, I heard he wants to be responsible!
        • 6 Years Ago
        MPG?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Pluton: I will guess that it gets a stunning ZERO miles to the gallon. This is because it's a crate engine, and has no means of moving itself.

        And yes, the automakers are sitting on the cheap, fast, 100 MPG car, because they want to make sure the oil companies are making enough money. They don't need to worry about their bottom line, and the boatloads of profit that car would generate.
      • 6 Years Ago
      This has nothing to do with the old OHV 5.0, or the new 4V OHC 5.0L that will appear in the '10 mustang GT, this is just a stroked and forged 3V OHC 4.6L.

      With that said, it is more than likely much stronger than both and should hold many times the power of the other two engines.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I know there has been talk of Ford coming out with their own 5.0L version of the 3V-4.6L. It will be interesting to see how much HP and TQ Ford can get out of their engine if Saleen is pushing 390hp to 400hp out of theirs, especially without Direct Injection (which Ford was talking about using in their new V8 engines).

      It would make for one fun Mustang GT if they start coming with a near 390hp 5.0L V8 from the factory for less than $28,000. It would also open up the HP gap a bit, allowing for Ford's 340hp TT-V6 and 275hp TT-I4 to be used in the stang.

      It also makes me wonder how much power that 6.2L SOHC engine Ford has been working on can put out in a car application. 500HP N/A would be awesome and would make for a great replacement for the engine in the GT500, especially if it can be made of aluminum and therefore would weigh less than the blown 5.4L.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm thinking this would fit nicely into a Factory Five roadster.
      • 6 Years Ago
      The only thing left I can say about Ford is "Give me sleek aerodynamics to compete with the G35/37 and the upcoming Hyundai Genesis Coupe or just give me the imports."
      Ford desperately need to bring back the rear wheel drive aerodynamic Thunderbird and Lincoln Mark VIII (or if named to Mark VIIII) in order to have at least a small somewhat competitive edge vs what they have now. Sometimes I do miss Ford from the 80's and 90's when they always had something to be proud of besides their damn trucks and the mustang
        • 6 Years Ago
        That would be Mark IX. VIIII is not a roman numeral.

        Otherwise I wholeheartedly agree.
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