The Sydney Morning Herald has spoken to Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer of the Toyota 86 (our version of it, the Scion FR-S, is pictured above), and they've been promised that more power is on the way. We've heard a lot of speculation about a more powerful Toyobaru since before the standard model was even launched. The only question now is how the power will be delivered, and among the engine concepts we've already heard about – turbo, supercharger, twin-charged, hybrid – is a new one: more displacement.

Tada said that an engine with more displacement than the current coupe's 2.0 liters is being tested alongside a turbocharged and a hybrid-assisted motor. The SMH cites "inside sources" as saying the displacement option is the one likely to get the go-ahead, and suggests increased bore and stroke will see the engine grow to 2.5 liters, horsepower to about 250 – a 50-hp increase over the present car.

While that's apparently the betting man's solution for the long-awaited increase in gumption, what happens with the next generation could be more wide open than we suspected. According to the report, Tada "hinted that [a successor] could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether." He said once they've sorted out the concept for the second generation car, then they'll sort out an engine. That's where a turbo option could come to market, perhaps the turbocharged four-cylinder Toyota is developing for the Lexus NX crossover or a hybrid system that uses a capacitor.

This leaves us wondering what, if anything, will happen with the (presumed) next generation of the Subaru BRZ. But for now, the cavalry – more horses – is on the way for the current generation, one way or another.

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      Dennis Brennan
      • 1 Year Ago
      Having owned a FRS since they came out, My favorite upgrade would be 2 more cylinders added with the same bore and stroke. And also make the top end stronger so it can rev to 8,500 to 9,000 rpm. The thrill of this car is to bring it to redline without getting arrested. The existing engine has a great power curve in my book, very F1 like. The S2000 was always a dog at low rpm. The FRS has a great powerband compared to the Honda, having driven them back to back. A 6 cylinder boxer (example: Porsche) would make this car amazing with a higher redline. I think many are missing the type of power the existing engine delivers. I like it, just like I like my Mustang's power. 2 completely different schools of driving the wheels. Which one is better. Neither.
        Durishin
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dennis Brennan
        The current H-6 is probably too long to fit. Maybe someone will try it, though.
      RodRAEG
      • 1 Year Ago
      Bumping displacement is the way to go, in my opinion. The car already has a front weight bias, and adding forced induction is going to increase it further.
      Bruce Lee
      • 1 Year Ago
      If they could keep the center of gravity low a super high revving 2.5L NA motor would be pretty sweet...get Yamaha on board for tuning, etc.
      SubaruLove
      • 1 Year Ago
      6 cylinder boxer = 911 with the engine in the right place
      Rich M.
      • 1 Year Ago
      Why would someone be against a 260hp N/A rwd sports car? If they can keep the weight where its at or at most 100lbs more (2800-2850lbs). Then increase the redline to 8200-8500rpms, beef up the heads. Retune the current suspension to handle the extra power. Give it slightly wider and lighter wheels and tires it currently has (215 vs. 235) and stay away from the staggering them. Then finally you can give it proper tires cause of the increase in power, standard max summer with optional extreme summer tires. Then charge $27.5 - $28k for it. That right there is the true affordable sports car. It would be the hardtop S2000 or the front mid engine 4cylinder poormans Cayman. People will still say that 260 is still not enough or they should've gone f/i but 260hp in a lightweight rwd car is more than enough for the commute to work, a Sunday mountain pass, or a weekend track day.
        Jmaister
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Rich M.
        price isnt set by you. They would gouge anyway they can.
        Jason
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Rich M.
        The problem with raising the revs that high is that the rods probably aren't made for it. If you see any of the rods from high revving engines, they're usually beefy forged pieces because of the stress they have to take. You'd need a reliable cylinder wall coating too. On top of that, the FA20 doesn't use two cam profiles, so they'd have to increase the duration/lift of the cams so much that it'd barely idle or pass emissions. Subaru does have AVLS (VTEC-like system), but adding that to the motor will just keep adding to the price of the car. The S2000 was $32k (base) when it was introduced in 2000. By 2009, it was $35k. They're in two completely different markets, but because you can get a used S2000 for around the price of a new FRS/BRZ, they get compared a lot.
          cfphelps
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Jason
          Yeah the engine running at 8500 rpm ends up with some super fast piston speeds, nearly 4800 FPM. I'm guessing the pistons and rotating assembly wouldn't like that much.
      kontroll
      • 1 Year Ago
      in the questionnaire at the end of the article why don't they have another voting option called: "who gives a $hit" that's the one I vote for
        ELG
        • 1 Year Ago
        @kontroll
        and yet, you are still here posting.
      EvilTollMan
      • 1 Year Ago
      Honestly I think turbocharging would be more practical to the everyday tuner but I can see why they'd stray away from that because of the added weight, so a bump in displacement with the same block would make the most sense to decrease the weight gain. I'm cool with 250hp from an NA 2.5. :)
      imag
      • 1 Year Ago
      More displacement is ideal It retains the low weight and the naturally aspirated driving dynamics while adding torque. What is there not to like?
      John
      • 1 Year Ago
      It won't be on my list unless it gets a turbo just due to the nature of my modding ways. I typically can't keep a vehicle stock for more than a couple of weeks. A factory turbo typically gives a good bit of head room to make 10-30% more than the stock car which is usually plenty for a good reliable daily driver.
      Wyrmdog
      • 1 Year Ago
      Drop the Legacy's version of the FA20 (the 296-hp version) in it. Same size, ready availability I would assume? Hell even detune it a little if it's too much.
      SquareFour
      • 1 Year Ago
      So long as there's still an accessible base model, I don't much care. Truthfully, I'd rather they take care of that mid-range torque hole. That would go a long way to fixing the perceived lack of power from the 2.0. If it just didn't fall on its face from 3500-4500 rpm (bottoming out at 4000 revs), it wouldn't feel so underpowered.
      linuxaddict7
      • 1 Year Ago
      I strongly believe boxer engines will gone in the future models of Toyota iteration.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @linuxaddict7
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