• Mar 25, 2011
Porsche would like to double its current sales volume, and to do that, the automaker will need to expand its lineup. The Cajun crossover and 918 are still a year or three away, and we're always hearing talk of a sub-Boxster roadster or even a baby Panamera being in the cards. But what about a new coupe to take on Maranello's finest?

Autocar claims that such a supercar could be on the way, and it would go toe-to-toe with the Ferrari 458 Italia. The British mag reports that Porsche boss Mathias Muller would like the company to produce another mid-engine offering, adding "we're thinking above the 911 but below the 918 Spyder." Muller also says that Porsche already has some designs that still need further development, and that a business case still needs to be made.

If such a Porsche were to find its way to production, it would need plenty of lightweight materials. And since Audi now shares a family tree with Porsche, the new supercar could share the R8's aluminum space frame chassis. If that doesn't work, a heavily-modified (and larger) 911 platform would probably do the trick, too.

At any rate, such a super-Porsche appears to be a long way from a production green light, much less a showroom floor. Still, it's nice to dream, and we don't mind waking up to a world with one more Porsche from which to choose.

[Source: Autocar | Image: Michael Harley/AOL]


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      • 3 Years Ago
      Instead of trying to come up with something new that's in the same price range as the 458, why not just price the 918 more reasonably? There's no real reason they couldn't do a version of that car for a couple hundred grand.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @weatherman

        I agree. I mean look at the Tesla Roadster or the Tango Electric. Both would give most Porsches and Ferraris a run for their money for much cheaper. Drop the gas engine off the 918, upgrade the power on the electric motors and destroy everybody on the autobahn.
      • 3 Years Ago
      "Mathias Muller would like the company to produce another mid-engine offering, adding "we're thinking above the 911 but below the 918 Spyder." "


      914


      I like the sound of that.
      • 3 Years Ago
      The only thing that 458 offers that can not be found in the GT2 RS is the ability to spontanously combust.
        • 3 Years Ago
        ^ True. And a lame automatic.

        The CTR3 is a great car, and I could envision this car being similar in design and layout. Alois Ruf is damn near as brilliant as the Porsches. Have to wonder if somewhere down the road he didn't get some of Ferdinand's genes.

        The 911 will indeed, and arguably already has, reached it's potential. Porsche never planned for the car to last this long themsleves. The rear-engine layout is a handicap. To deny that is to deny physics. It defines the 911, but it prevents it from offering the best possible driving dynamics. Racecars are mid-engined for a reason.

        If Porsche wants to have a car that they can keep evolving and be performance oriented first and foremost, they HAVE to adapt a MR layout. It's inevitable.

        And Porsche only uses the GT badges on cars that have a racing version or are a homologation special. Carrera GT notwithstanding. So it wouldn't be called a GT1.
      • 3 Years Ago
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      Oh God LOL A Porsche (porscha) to compete with a 458 Italia? Get off it.

      It may run as hard as an Italia but it'll never, ever look as good as one.

      LOL this should be good though :) It'll be like the Audi R8 V-10, every bit as competent as a Gallardo (whence came the Audi's 10 cylinder) and the 458, yet outside of gear heads like us no one considers the Audi an equal to the Gallardo and 458. Image is everything and perception is reality. Porsche plays second fiddle to Ferrari, and it always will in the mind of people that care about silly things like over priced exotic cars.

      Seriously though, aren't there enough super cars? Wouldn't it be more advantageous to create some affordable cars through parts sharing with VW and Audi? I mean, aside from automotive enthusiasts, who really cares what parts the car is made of? Most people in North America still think their Camry is made in Japan!

      • 3 Years Ago
      ...why? Given that Porsche is now in the same family as Audi and Lamborghini, a mid-engined sportscar (other than the 918) seems a bit odd. I'm still waiting for a new 928 based on the Panamera...

      http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/244090/reborn_porsche_928_is_fronting_up.html
        • 3 Years Ago
        A new 928 is exactly what I'd like to see. Hopefully they can keep the price range like that of the Mercedes CLS model range.

        The other car I want-- a new 914. The twist (to avoid the "poor-man's Porsche" moniker) would be to do a wild power train. Something like a Tesla Roadster with the micro-turbine range- and power-extender of the Jaguar C-X75 concept vehicle. Can they do that starting in the low $40ks? With high enough volume, I think Porsche has the technical and fiscal resources to pull it off.

        http://electrovelocity.com/tag/jaguar-x-c75/
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'm thinking, Super Cayman!
      Although I think it'd be cool if were a 2+2, but maybe that's more for the mini Panamera.
        • 3 Years Ago
        I'd like to think more along the lines of a new 904 or 906, or maybe a new RS60...
        • 3 Years Ago
        So a Cayman that goes Super Saiyan...
        • 3 Years Ago
        Think 918/2

        Simplify the drivetrain to V8, and TT V8, with PDK, maybe 6MT optional (where others don't offer it anymore) With rear axle torque vectoring differential.

        Simplify the chassis with less of the expensive CF stuff, and a bit more metal, perhaps aluminum.

        Price it between Cayman and 918 Sypder Hybrid, at about 175K.

        If 991/998 (whatever the next 911 will be called), goes bigger, more luxurious, and thus a bit heavier, it will likely stick to the GT, primarily AWD rear-engined layout.

        The GT3 and GT2 could get ported over to the top end of the Cayman, or as an optional engine set on the 918/2 that I mentioned above.

        If Cayman goes down market at the baseline model, with flat 4 power, it could become a wider line, from H4, 3.4-3.6 H6 middle, and 3.8-4.0 X51 top-end engine option.

        The 918/2 could then use the GT3 4.0 450+ horsepower NA engine in an ultra-light competition package, 4.8 V8 street model, and either 3.8 TT H6, or 4.8 TT V8 upgrades, or even both. Priced from 150-250K, well below the 918 Spyder Hybrid.

        The 918/2 would then pretty much directly compete with the F458, Gallardo LP560-2 Balboni, and McLaren MP4-12C.

        And with 90% of the 918 Spyder's looks it might actually be the most gorgeous of them.
      • 3 Years Ago
      That's good news, I suppose, especially for those that are anticipating being in the market for a ~$350,000 sports car five years from now.

      It would be nice if Porsche would make a touring coupe, like a modern day 928. They could call it a Panamera Coupe but hopefully it wouldn't be as hideous. I doubt they would do it, though, as it would probably cannibalize 911 sales.

      http://www.automotorblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Porsche-928-GT-Coupe.jpg

      http://eastbounddown.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/928-Concept-2.jpg
      • 3 Years Ago
      Needs a boxing 8 engine.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Of course smoothness can be introduced into the 8-cylinder systems with heavy counterweights or balance shafts, but you never get the low polar moment of inertia (crank axis) coupled with the inherent (i.e. minimally counterweighted) low vibration characteristics that you do with the straight 6 derivatives. There is no firing order in a flat-8 that can avoid the need for heavy counterweighting or balancing shafts since you need a number of cylinders with an odd prime factor to be able to alternate banks at every point in the 4-stroke cycle. With heavy balance weighting, you lose that fameous quick-revving Porsche engine quality.
        • 3 Years Ago
        An H-8 lacks the secondary vibration balance advantage of an H-6. Better to go with a 90-degree flat-plane crank V-8 if you gotta do 8-cylinders. But a twin-turbo hybrid H-6 would be much more consistent with Porsche's current direction with powerplants. An electric motor for each of the front wheels and the boxer in the rear-mid.
        • 3 Years Ago
        A boxing engine is a 180 degree Vee engine, with a 180 degree crank journal splay angle. (there is no boxing12)

        A boxing 4 has a second order moment imbalance about the vertical axis, in addition to the standard even firing 4 cylinder torsional oscillation-all the piston/con rod assemblies stop simultaneously. (but the shorter crankshaft relative to an inline 4 helps out in that regard)

        A boxing 6 is theoretically balanced, but due to the fact you don't have the pistons perfectly opposed, you get some vibration. The larger the axial offset of the pistons, the greater the amplitude. Porsche chose to use a 7 main bearing design, when a boxing6 only requires 4. The axial offset is roughly double. [inline6>boxing6 >V6]

        A boxing 8, is also theoretically balanced, and it would be smoother due to have more than 7 cylinders (7 is the minimum number for gross positive torque from combustion events. All engines have net positive torque, some just give/take more from the flywheel: 1 cylinder, Even firing 2 cylinders , even firing 4 cylinder http://www.epi-eng.com/piston_engine_technology/torsional_excitation_from_piston_engines.htm)
        if the exhaust manifold collected only the cylinders on its bank would sound just like a crossplane crank V8: LRLLRLRR
        If you joined cylinder from both banks, one could make a flat plane crank exhaust note: LRLRLRLR
        I'd like to see a semi-flat, semi-cross: LLRRLLRR (pair match cylinders that are 360 degrees apart.
      • 3 Years Ago
      Double sales volume? By going after the 458 Italia? What would that be, an incremental 500 units a year or something?
      • 3 Years Ago
      That would be cool. Maybe since they have so much invested in the electric they could make something with a powerful AC induction motor only. It would kill the Italia.
      • 3 Years Ago
      I think they don't need a 458 challenger. I'd take a 911 over a 458 any time.
      • 3 Years Ago
      Why would Porsche spread themselves thinner horizontally across their product line (and increase their cost base with a new model) when they already have the GT2 to compete in the same performance level as a 458? Sounds more like pride rather than business doing the talking.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Porsche spits in the face of logic. look at the 911.
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