• Dec 4, 2008
Lexus may be throttling back its plans to attack the performance side of its German rivals, but that doesn't mean it won't expand its F-badged lineup in the future. Hirokazu Koga, general manager of the Lexus Development Center and one of the men behind the IS F, told Autoblog that if the automaker goes forward with plans to create a GS F, an LS F could be in the cards.

Renderings and rumors of the GS F have been circulating since last year, but word came down in August that Lexus planned to delay the introduction of the 500+ hp sedan due to the economic downturn and the (then) high price of fuel. Add that to the possible cancellation of the LF-A, and things aren't looking good for Lexus' foray into the world of high performance.

If an LS F model would come to market, only a few drivetrains could be fitted to the hulking sedan to give it the level of performance necessary to carry the F badge. If Toyota does decide to build the LF-A, its V10 powerplant would be a great candidate for the LS F to provide motivation and defer some of the costs of the supercar.

According to two Lexus execs we spoke to, the IS F outsold both the Mercedes-Benz C63 and BMW M3 Sedan last month (we can't confirm, since Lexus doesn't break down sales of the IS by model), but if consumers are accepting the idea of a high-performance Lexus, than other models will surely follow.


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      • 6 Years Ago

      Go for it, Lexus. The more choices in this category the better.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Hmmm- punch out the big I-force for car duty as a real six liter. I forget- what was the point of this again?
      Kumail
      • 6 Years Ago
      i highly doubt that they would go through with this, and even if they do, i don't think people would buy this over a merc s63...
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        "Lexuses are for people who can't afford BMW and Mercedes top of the line. "

        You are on crack.

        Back when I lived at home, a guy my dad and I play golf with has had the following cars over a period of a year:

        2005 Lexus LS
        2006 BMW 330i
        2006 750i
        Bentley Arnage T24
        Bentley Flying Spur
        2007 Lexus LS

        He still has the Lexus and is in love with it. Lexus makes some damn fine vehicles, and that is coming from a guy who owns a BMW.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        merc s63, or an b7, or an s8, or any number of real luxury cars that offer pedigree and the complete package vs faux cosmetic bits and camry inspirited interiors.
        Wait… nm… it’s a lexus so they’ll just court organic growth from lexus owners that might be tempted by the status of an S63 but have no intentions of ever driving in a spirited nature, it’d sell fine.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        lol your just driving around a bloated BOAT it also sound like your jealous of Lexus drivers...you should be because they are smater. Smart people would know that Lexus cars are not cheap and it just Merc & BMW who over charge...and if im going to pay that much for a car...i would like it to stay out of problems...last time i checked where was Merc on the dependibilty charts? By that stand point...who really the better vaule and better car.....



        I'll take a Lexus LS over the S-Class ANYDAY. IMO the LS look much better.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        I own a S550 which is already nearly $25,000 more than the LS460.

        The S63 AMG is over $125,000...even I couldn't afford that. Lexuses are for people who can't afford BMW and Mercedes top of the line.

        This F series thing probably won't happen. People who can afford an LS460 and buy one aren't trying to be the fastest on the street. The LS460 is used as a luxury limo around my streets here in Midtown Manhattan.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        Funny thing is... People almost the exact same thing about Lexus in the first place.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Kumail
        "Lexuses are for people who can't afford BMW and Mercedes top of the line. "
        lol, can't afford? Because clearly, all those paupers out there buying those LS600h's and LS460's are in dire financial strait. Even though, you know, the LS600h is more money than your stupid S550.

        Oh, and a better car.
      • 6 Years Ago
      O hell ya please please please Lexus DO IT!!!!!

      Transporter 4 drive this!



        • 6 Years Ago
        He will have a Lexus F badge soon.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Fail.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You even have an Audi avatar...
        • 6 Years Ago
        Er, had.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Seeing how well a big Toyota slides makes me think of what a little, rear wheel drive Toyota could do.

      Toyota, enough with the high-priced F car nonsense. Give me a small, economical, reliable, rear wheel drive hatch instead. You know, like an old eight six, but brand new. I'd respect you more for building a modern eight six Corolla than an AMG fighter.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @ablogreader: Ah yes, I've heard about that one. Its also expected to be 2866 lbs., which is about 300lb. heavier than what I would want. Then again, its tough to find cars below 3000 lbs. brand new. Eh, I guess I should stop being so picky and just settle on heavier girls, er... cars.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Toyota are doing just that with their upcoming Subaru collaboration.
      • 6 Years Ago
      No... If they do eff the LS, won't they effed the RX too, you know, to compete with ML63 and X6 M.
      • 6 Years Ago
      or they could work on IS-F so it's not a POS like it is right now..such a disappointment. It doesn't even come close to C63 AMG, which is far behind the M3. Lexus F=fail.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "A Lexus doesn't feel as though it is connected to the road like the German cars, its focus is on isolation. Its the same reason a VW Jetta is completely different to drive than a Toyota Camry"

      From a practical point of view I think that's irrelevant even an ES 350 ( a car based on the ubiquitous Camry Platform) performance is high enough that an average driver probably doesn't have the skill or recklessness to drive it at 80-90%.

      Pushing big fast cars outside of racetracks is fun but its also an expensive and possibly even dangerous activity.

      High performance cars are fun but I think there are cheaper much better and safer ways to have fun than coming in fast and hanging loose in the corners.

        • 6 Years Ago
        Leave. Now. We don't want your kind 'round these parts.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Lexus is just trying to get a piece of the luxury super-sport pie, but it really goes against what Lexus has been all about in the past and this would be a mega-shift in direction. If you go and buy a new Mercedes (pretty much any one of them), you are going to get a reasonably quick car that handles tight and feels as solid as a bank safe - adding the AMG packages and hot motors just turns up the madness. A Lexus doesn't feel as though it is connected to the road like the German cars, its focus is on isolation. Its the same reason a VW Jetta is completely different to drive than a Toyota Camry, its just intended to be driven differently. I hope Lexus can create some great new cars with the F nomenclature, but it sure isn't what has happened in the past. Oh, and did anybody see the body lean in that LS wheeling around the corner!? Ha ha! Its touching the door handles on the pavement...give me a break, stick to the Buick recipe.
      • 6 Years Ago
      hahahahaha
      HAHAHAHHAHA
      ahahahahh

      biggest joke ever. stick to boring, comfy cars, Lexus.
        • 6 Years Ago
        the IS-F definitely breaks that barrier.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Indeed, it's not boring, it's the least comfortable car in it's class (in a bad way), but it gives lexus buyers something to buy and it's a huge step up from the non F IS cars which are perhaps the most appalling I've ever driven on a track. Indeed the IS-F deserves being commended for proving Lexus can do better in terms of handling - pity the auto box is a conventional auto box and the interior feels like the base IS (just above camry levels). If Toyota keeps at it they might reach M3/RS4/CTS-V levels of complete packages.
        • 6 Years Ago
        And Judging by your avatar- Volvo must make cars that are action packed. They are filled with 6 or 8 cylinder, RWD excitement? Nah. If you're going to bash a car company, make sure the car company you support doesn't fall in that category.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I own a Lexus GS 350 and have had a chance to drive a Mercedes S 550 on a roadtrip. While stopped at a left hand turn lane the transmission system didn't engage.

      My dentist was driving her E-Class when it had the same problem on the freeway and the gear change system disengaged. She was rear ended, fortunately she didn't have any major injuries.

      Its possible that Mercedes made reliable cars in the past and admitedly a modern S 550 is a nice car to drive but the reliability problems I have seen from Mercedes are appauling.

      As the old expression goes you have to finish a race to win it.

      Lexus will own the high performance market if they can make a dependable high performance car. You can't win the race if you don't finish it.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Please do so (no sarcasm intended). Lexus really does need a competitor to AMG. The LS F would be a great competitor to the AMG S65, and I look forward to seeing it.
      I knew the GS F was in the works for a while; now it looks like it might actually go through.
      [sarcasm] How about an ES F or RX F? That would be sweet with the 3.5 L supercharged V6 from the TRD Aurion sold in Australia! [/sarcasm] MASSIVE TORQUE STEER ALERT!
        • 6 Years Ago
        True about the ES-F and RX-F

        but the GX-F would compete with cars like Cayenne Turbo-S and ML63 AMG

        What do you think?
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