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And finally, the real Carrera GT crash story
The New York Post is reporting full details of the Porsche Carrera GT crash story, the details of which are markedly different than what we initially received, reported and ultimately retracted yesterday. According to the Post, Port Chester, NY body shop owner Chris Numme had performed minor repairs on the silver GT and was transporting it back to a Greenwich, CT Porsche dealership (presumably New Country Porsche, though the article doesn't name them specifically) on November 24 when the accident occurred.While on the way to the dealer, Numme was forced swerve to avoid a truck that was creeping through a stop sign. While maneuvering, he upshifted to second gear and the car lost traction, jumped onto the sidewalk, and hit the utility pole. He was not speeding, according to the report. An eyewitness described the crash as being very loud, and was shocked to see Numme and a passenger exit the car. Numme, as was widely reported earlier in the week, did suffer a broken foot. His passenger, who is not named, experienced neck and back pain. Local police did not cite Numme for any traffic violation.
The car's owner is investment banker Robert Greenhill of Greenwich, former chairman and CEO of Smith Barney. As for the replacement of the car, it is being handled by Numme's insurance company. The report we were initially given that the car was replaced the following day appears to be wholly inaccurate.
[Source: NY Post]
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vcash 10:51AM (12/01/2006)
Makes more sense now - Nume is a standup guy - He's pricey but very professional and is constantly working on exotics. Too bad this accident happened - I wonder if this will take a hit on his rep and if the big greenwich dealers will stop reffering him.
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Ironside 2:18PM (12/01/2006)
I'm surprised the replacement will be covered by the mechanic's policy...when I worked for Mercedes-Benz, I had a Mercedes-Benz insurance card that would cover any damage to a vehicle I was driving on the job.
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Bob-o 11:00AM (12/01/2006)
That's quite a lot of damage given the residential setting. I call BS on the story.
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Mike 11:09AM (12/01/2006)
"A truck started to creep through the stop sign".....and he crashed the GT. You'd think the guy would come up with a better story than that.
First of all, why would he upshift in this situation???
Second, upshifting should not cause him to loose traction! If he down shifted or gunned it while still in 1st, then I might believe his story!
He's just an idiot that doesn't know how to drive a manual transmission!
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Aphid 11:16AM (12/01/2006)
This sounds more suspect than the fake story.
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andrew 11:15AM (12/01/2006)
I liked the first story better, can we get that one back? this one is just stupid.
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brian 12:05PM (12/01/2006)
Mike,
One of my buddies was driving an old VW bug in the rain. He was making a left hand turn, shifted into second, and lost traction and spun out into a ditch. He wasn't driving crazy fast either. So, it is possible to upshift, lose traction, and wreck.
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Terenus 12:07PM (12/01/2006)
Haha, the original story sounded more real than this B.S.
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Chance 12:24PM (12/01/2006)
Has the Post provided any indication of the speed the GT was travelling at the time of the accident?
The severity of the frontal impact leads me to believe the car was going in excess of 35 mph.
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Peter 9:23AM (12/02/2006)
First off, why not transport a car of this stature via flatbed as most body shops will do?
Assuming there's no worry that the flatbed process would cause some damage].
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Steve 2:49PM (12/01/2006)
Mike says:
"Second, upshifting should not cause him to loose traction! If he down shifted or gunned it while still in 1st, then I might believe his story!"
Of course upshifting can loose traction. The wheels are still going to spin at a different speed, faster or slower is irrelevant, especially if you have a powerful car like that with a proper manual.
No doubt he could have done it, I've been able to slide my 911 Turbo while upshifting. You just panic, shift up a gear, but end up flooring the pedal rather than matching rev's. The wheels then spin, it's why you can chirp the tires going UP gears in any good car.
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Mike 1:36PM (12/01/2006)
Steve, I don't doubt you know what you are talking about, especially owning a 911 Turbo!
He probably did panic and screwed up! Under normal - nonpanic - driving conditions, I don't see the reason for upshifting in this situation.
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Michael Karesh 1:37PM (12/01/2006)
35 mph can easily cause that level of damage. As little as 25 could have caused it, though my seat of the pant's estimate is 30-35. Check out the iihs and nhtsa videos some time to see how much damage a collision at this speed can cause. Also remember that the car hit a pole, so the impact was very concentrated.
As for the upshift being the problem, I also don't see it. What I do see is someone who wasn't paying attention at the precise moment he needed to be, then over-reacted. Happens all the time to all but the most skilled drivers.
Having the truck involved does explain how the car hit a pole on a straight residential street.
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vcash 3:07PM (12/01/2006)
To Peter - Nummes body shop is about 3miles from New Country Porsche and Miller - where this car was probably headed. You see a lot of affluent investment bankers test drive these 6 figure machines up and down close to the road where the porsche crashed.
Also, I am pretty sure Numme also knows how to drive stick pretty well - considering the number of dinged up exotics that are dropped of at his shop. If its any validation - he has backed my Mazda 6 MTX into the garage - not that it is the same as a Carerra GT.
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C 1:54PM (12/01/2006)
1) How fast was he going in first that he had to swerve, and couldn't just stop?
2) If this was a sudden lift-throttle oversteer spinout, wouldn't the rear of the car have hit something?
3) If the front of a car hit a pole I'd expect it to be from understeering during a sudden swerve, or when exiting a tight bend, gunning it, and being surprised that the rears hung on--causing you to rocket straight across the intersection.
Not that I drive a CGT, but physics is the same for everyone.
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Car videos & Motorcycle videos 4:01PM (12/01/2006)
The Carrera Gt is a very hard car to drive, Take a look at this one taking off it looks like it is about to get out of control, but the driver saves it.
http://www.dpccars.com/car-movies/11-22-06page-Porsche-Carrera-GT-with-straight-pipes.htm
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apt34 4:32PM (12/01/2006)
Why would he upshift to second? That shouldn't cause a loss in traction unless he chirped into second by staying on the throttle too long or by powershifting (which I don't know why he would've done in an emergency situation anyways.)
In an emergency, GENERALLY SPEAKING there are two options:
1) STOP, or at least try to as hard as possible
2) Get out of the way! This may require swerving, or perhaps significant throttle input as well
Now, I suppose we're assuming the drive did the latter. If that was true, why would you want to upshift if you need to hit the throttle? Unless he was cruising around near redline in first gear, I don't think that would have done anything.
Does the article mean to say that he *downshifted* into second? Because then this would make a LOT more sense. A premature downshift and hitting the throttle will multiple the torque going to the wheels, and considering most second gears, he had a high possibility of losing traction with such a maneuver.
Regardless, why didn't he just stop? It seems they were relatively low speeds, so wouldn't a emergency brake + swerving do it? I mean, we're not talking about a Ford Econoline with drum brakes. I need more info on this situation.
Oh and #16, it looks like he tried to almost floor it while he was still turning (or so it seemed)! That is definitely not a good idea... was the driver experienced?
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mulad 7:37PM (12/01/2006)
Uh, so, the Carrera GT doesn't have traction control?
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Fabulo 7:03PM (12/01/2006)
A friend of mine flipped his mom's car on a Saturday night. He swore he hit a speed bump, in a straight line, and he was doing just under the speed limit (~35mph). His mom believed it.
This account of the accident makes as much sense.
Yeah right.
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Tom Winch 9:52PM (12/01/2006)
It seems obvious to me that the reason he crashed the Porsche is probably that he "downshifted" to 2nd, not upshifted. If he had upshifted to 2nd, that would mean he was cruising around in 1st gear. It's more likely he was in 3rd, saw the truck entering the intersection, then simultaneously swerved, downshifted, & braked which could definitely cause the car's rear end to break loose.
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