• Apr 2, 2008
Click above for high-res gallery of the Concept 1-Series tii

We've known that BMW has plans to revive the tii series name ever since the automaker unveiled the Concept 1-Series tii at the Tokyo Motor Show. While we don't have anything as official as a press release from the Munich-based automaker, CAR online got BMW chief Norbert Reithofer to fess up that tii models are on their way. What we don't know, however, is whether they will be equipment packages that include upgraded mechanicals, perhaps that can be ordered a la carte, or full fledged models that have been fleshed out by BMW engineers. Reithofer did indicate that the 1-Series and 3-Series will be first in line for the tii treatment, and that subsequently an M model of the 1-Series is not being planned.

Over the past 20 years, BMW has managed to back up its claim of building Ultimate Driving Machines despite each of its cars growing in size and gaining weight with each new generation. It's done this largely by adding bigger, more powerful engines to its cars. With new CAFE standards demanding more fuel efficient vehicles in the U.S., and BMW already indicating that cutting cylinders to help meet those standards is a distinct possibility, the tii ethos of subtracting weight and focusing on handling more than passing power seems like the most probable path down which BMW will run.


[Source: CAR Online]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      Drop the 328 and do a 320 turbo. Give me cloth seats and the standard features of an accord or camry. Price at $30k or lower and I'm in.

      The tii should be the opposite of the M. Less electronics and luxuries, just car.

      Sadly, we'll probably end up with an option package that adds 2 grand to the price. Or worse, accessories.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I already have a 335i with Sports Package. What I want is a factory LSD add-on.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Agreed, I too would like an optional OEM LSD.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Wow, the 3 series is going to have as many variants as the Mustang.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Wow, so the price of fuel will end up being good news for true enthusiasts everywhere.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'd be more welcoming to a 3-series tii than 1-series. A 3-series sedan tii would be sweet... too bad the price tag would be too high for me.
      • 6 Years Ago
      While I'm interested in what could be a great car in the 3-Series tii, what will the price point be? Isn't it already bad enough that the 135i convertible is topping out at around $50k with all its options? So doen that mean the 3-Series tii will be near M3 money? If that's the case, I think I'd stick with the E92 M3 and cruise around LA in the summer with the air conditioning on while watching 3tii owners zoom past just to cool down.
      • 6 Years Ago
      First things first, get rid of the fricking leather, sunroof, and runflat tires. Three things that many people hate, add weight, and add cost.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I wonder how much weight they could drop from a 3 series sedan, 200-300lbs?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Pat:

      Couldn't agree more - been waiting for a replacement for my 04 S2000 as well - was hoping the 135i would come in closer to 3000lbs - perhaps the tii will be the answer. By the way, have you found any reliable info on the S2000 replacement -- been to the usual sites (TOV, etc), but no good intel....
      • 6 Years Ago
      BMW and bigger engines? Um, actually that's still not true and hasn't been ever. The 3 series runs a 3.0 and 3.0TT while all of its serious competition uses a 3.5 liter (C, G37/35, IS350). The M3 runs a 4.0 liter while the MB C63 is a 6.3 liter monster and the IS uses a 5.0 liter engine.

      You guys should know your car history before you spout utter-BS.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Actually Justin, hp/weight ratio, which is alot more important than the hp/L, the BMW market gimmick, favors AMG motors over BMW.

        • 6 Years Ago
        Youfacethetick:

        Wait, so what does displacement have to do with actual engine size/weight? BMW's 4L v8 weighs basically the same as their piggy inline 6, as well as the "monster" MB 6.2 V8. GM's ls v8's also achieve equivalent weight/size and mpg to other performance engines of much lower dislpacement.

        Displacement for the sake of displacement? No thanks.
        • 6 Years Ago
        BMW has consistently used lower displacement engines than direct competitors.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Uh...the original e30 M3 had a 2.3L engine, followed by the 3.0L E36, then the 3.2L E36, then the 3.2L E46 and now the 4.0L E90.

        You don't call that using increasingly larger engines over the last 20 years? Where's the utter BS in that?

        You need to read more closely. No one is saying BMW's have bigger engines than their competition. They're saying they've maintained performance despite increasing weight by using larger engines.

        And really, what does quoting engine sizes of current cars have anything to do with car history?
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm really looking forward to the tii. I was considering selling my S2000 for a 135i, but the bimmer just didn't seem "raw" enough. Hopefully the tii will be that car. I just hope they don't charge a bunch for removing things that cost more. I can understand paying more for carbon fiber or aluminum body panels, but I don't want to pay more for cloth seats (as opposed to leather), reduction in sound deadening, and removal of a sunroof.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I was going to wait for a 3 series performance package to come out like they did with the E46, with the tii coming out, that will probably replace that....the 330i ZHP was the balls!
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