Anyone out there who can somehow find a second way to link Pink Floyd to natural gas vehicles gets a prize. Because so far, we have one Michigan-based company called Crazy Diamond Performance (Shine On You Crazy Diamond being a longtime Floyd fave) that's setting out to convert Chevrolet Cruze vehicles to run on compressed natural gas (CNG). All in the name of cheaper fuel and domestic security, of course.

Crazy Diamond says it can offer a converted CNG-powered Chevy Cruze for a price as low as $26,000. That four-cylinder version has 130 horsepower and an 8.5-gasoline-gallon-equivalent capacity that provides a full-tank range of as many as 250 miles. Pony up another $2,000 or so and the peppier, turbocharged CNG Cruze can be yours.

The company says it will provide a 100,000-mile powertrain warranty and is trying to get EPA certification for its conversions. The selling points are cheaper fuel (CNG is about half the cost of regular gasoline in some parts of the country) and homeland security (CNG reduces dependence on foreign oil). The only production passenger vehicle CNG in the US is the Honda Civic CNG, which sells in very limited numbers. Check out Crazy Diamond's flyer here.


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      PeterScott
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      Where is it mandated that 1/3 of Hydrogen must come from renewables? It's 99% from fossil fuels in reality. So with your unending Hydrogen advocacy, you are the largest fossil fuel supporter on these forums. I am just for workable solutions. EVs for cities, and NG for heavy truck fleet use. No Conversions to a carriers that is costly to transport, costly to compress, costly to liquify, costly convert back into motion, requiring costly infrastructure spending (from taxpayers) all in what amounts to little more than green washing of NG.
      PeterScott
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      Something like Prius CNG would kick ass, but then again, Toyota won't want to do that, it would likely get better WTW emissions than a HFCV, cost less than half the price and have a fuel that is more easily stored and more readily available, and less expensive.
        DaveMart
        • 43 Minutes Ago
        @PeterScott
        Perhaps in developing their future technologies they take account of that FCEV's also would work superbly with batteries as a plug in hybrid, and that even after reforming losses natural gas is used way more efficiently in a fuel cell car, even ignoring the fact that a third of hydrogen is mandated to come from renewables, not natural gas at all and that target can easily be met as there are a vast array of sources for hydrogen. You must really love fossil fuels. You do so much to support their continued heavy use.
      DaveMart
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      The big news for CNG cars in the US will be if the VW group decides the demand is there to offer their models in their CNG variants. Little noticed amid the talk of VW and Audi's new BEV and PHEV models is that every single one of them is also easily made in CNG versions, and the new platforms mean that they can do that in limited production runs. They are dual fuel so that you can always run on petrol if there is not a NG filling station about. For instance: 'Today, when a customer switches over to a vehicle with a natural gas drive, there is no need to make compromises in power or comfort or a sufficient driving range. The standard auxiliary petrol tank in the car gives the Golf Variant TGI BlueMotion a total driving range of nearly 1,400 km. In pure natural gas operation, it is possible to cover a distance of approx. 430 km. A network of around 920 natural gas filling stations in Germany alone assures broad coverage. In principle, natural gas engines emit 25 per cent less CO2 than a comparable petrol engine. When biogas is used, the CO2 savings increase to over 80 per cent. Today, pure biomethane is sold at 180 natural gas filling stations in Germany. On average, the biomethane share of natural gas fuel for vehicles is already over 20 per cent today. The entry-level price for the new Golf Variant TGI BlueMotion in Germany is € 24,400 (USD 33,200)' http://www.ngvglobal.com/vw-golf-variant-tgi-blue-motion-opens-for-orders-in-germany-0207
        DaveMart
        • 43 Minutes Ago
        @DaveMart
        BTW, $33,200 is around $26,500 without VAT, so gives you a rough idea of the price equivalence for the US.
      archos
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      Like a cross between an Aztec, a Pacifica, and Chrysler 200.
      BipDBo
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      It still bewilders me that CNG cars and trucks have made such small market impact. I hope that changes. They could especially be good for fleet use.
        PeterScott
        • 43 Minutes Ago
        @BipDBo
        CNG is quietly reaching a tipping point in a lot of fleet truck use. I read, but can't find a stat that said ~40% of US refuse trucks purchased this year were CNG powered. Some cities are converting bus fleets, some long haul trucking companies are going as far as building their own CNG depots to take advantage of the cheaper fuel for long haul trucking. I think CNG could take off all on it's own while Hydrogen tries to subsidy it's way to relevance. CNG is widely available. Fueling is much more economical than gasoline/diesel. Vehicle price increases are modest. It all adds up to a fuel that can stand on it's own. Unlike Hydrogen which needs mass taxpayer subsidy to go anywhere.
          PeterScott
          • 43 Minutes Ago
          @PeterScott
          Sure CNG usage in trucks is so far off topic in a Story about CNG coversion of passenger car.
          DaveMart
          • 43 Minutes Ago
          @PeterScott
          You love banging on about your hobby horses no matter how irrelevant they are to the present discussion, don't you?
        archos
        • 43 Minutes Ago
        @BipDBo
        Probably the lack of fuel access and the fact its a fossil fuel and is not green. Whats more bewildering is they're pushing LPG here in the states. Its cheaper than CNG, doesn't corrode the engine, and you can use any propane tank.
          BipDBo
          • 43 Minutes Ago
          @archos
          The "lack of access" is really a falsity, which is why I'm bewildered. NG is piped everywhere. Filling stations could easily be installed quickly and easily. With gasoline and diesel, we have to actually truck the fuel everywhere, which is much more expensive than using an existing piping infrastructure. The CNG auto market could be jump started by fleet use such as taxis, FedEx, postal, garbage trucks that could be refueled at their hub. I understand that the filling pumps are more expensive because they need a very high pressure compressor, but this seems like a small consideration compared to what could be saved. NG is cleaner burning so CNG cars could be built initially with less emission control devices, thus saving some production costs, a savings not realized with conversions. On top of all al that CNG is cheaper, and production is on the rise, so may get even cheaper still.
          DaveMart
          • 43 Minutes Ago
          @archos
          CNG works fine for private use as well as fleets, so long as you have a local CNG pump. If you go on a trip here in Europe they are almost all duel fuel, so that if there are no pumps where you go then you just use petrol. The disadvantages are that the tank takes up some space and needs checking once a year, which of course costs money, and the petrol tank is of course smaller than a regular one so that if you are just using petrol on a trip you would have to fill up more often. Other than that and the fact that they cost rather more and are not quite so nippy as the petrol equivalent, that is about it for disadvantages.
      David Murray
      • 43 Minutes Ago
      This is great.. but GM should be building this themselves already! I don't know what the hold-up is.
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