The headlines are still rolling in for the new Renegade that Jeep unveiled at the Geneva Motor Show last week, but already reports are surfacing, citing sources within the company, about what Chrysler's iconic off-road brand will do next.

Speaking with Auto Express (whose reports we tend to take with a grain of salt or two), Jeep chief Mike Manley suggested that two courses of action are currently under consideration at Auburn Hills to develop two very different new models – one smaller and one larger than anything Jeep currently makes.

One plan would be to make an SUV or crossover even smaller than the new Renegade, although it isn't immediately clear what platform it would take. The Renegade (pictured above in Trailhawk spec) will be built in Italy alongside Fiat's upcoming 500X, but uses a heavily modified platform. We figure the smaller model, if approved, could base itself on the new Fiat Panda Cross.

One way or another, the purported sub-Renegade would take a back seat to the new Grand Wagoneer, whose development is currently under way. The new Wagoneer, long rumored to be in the cards, is to slot in (size-wise) above the Grand Cherokee to give Jeep a large seven-seater SUV. Now, about that wood siding....


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      zack_falcon
      • 9 Months Ago
      Not sure about the "Smaller than the Renegade" Jeep. Never read anything pertaining to that matter. I do know about the Wagoneer, though. It will be based on the stretched WK2 Grand Cherokee / Durango chassis, and like the GC, will rely on electronic traction aids for off-road use. It will be a luxurious seven seater, rumored to have no 'base' model, so as not to cannibalize GC / Durango sales, though I'm not sure if Fiat-Chrysler will still keep the Durango by then - in my opinion, they should. Early rumors of the looks mention that it is a mix of the Durango, and the classic Wagoneer. No word on wood panel siding, though...
      GR
      • 9 Months Ago
      Let's just hope these models are going to be made in the USA. I think the Grand Wagoneer will be but I have doubt about the smaller model.
        no1bondfan
        • 9 Months Ago
        @GR
        With the poor sales of the Dodge Dart, and the replacement of the Patriot/Compass, I would assume the new small SUV will be built in Belvidere, in Illinois.
      Avinash Machado
      • 9 Months Ago
      Maybe the new small Jeep will be called Jeepster.
      Justin Campanale
      • 9 Months Ago
      The Panda Cross based jeep sounds interesting. It could be to the Suzuki Jimny what the Renegade is to the original Suzuki Vitara.. Also, a new Wagoneer upscale SUV competing with the Q7 and X5 could be a hit. Positioning it upscale means that Chrysler could both have higher profit margins and evade the risk of it cannibalizing the Durango's sales.
      JamieM
      • 9 Months Ago
      I'm so sad to see the direction Jeep is going. I wish they would just go back to back to what they were. They could obviously do better MPG, but they used to be fun and rugged. I wouldn't take any of the new jeeps off roading.
        john96xlt
        • 9 Months Ago
        @JamieM
        Um, they're exactly where they were. They have the Wrangler, and to a lesser extent, the Grand Cherokee, to appeal to the faithful. "but you cant have a family and a Wrangler like you could my '97 Cherokee that I hated for being slow and with bad MPGs!" Ooops, they have a 4-door Wrangler now which is pretty much a perfect combo of the old XJ Cherokee and the new Wrangler. If you want a true off roader, but want to somehow pack a family in it, there is no alternative. You "wouldn't" take any of the new Jeeps off roading is not the same as saying you "couldn't" take them if you wanted to. Most of them are pretty capable (Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, and Trail-Rated versions of the crossovers) while being more civilized and reliable than they used to be. Just because it's now just as good as a Kia at going to get groceries, does not mean it isn't a Jeep when the going gets tough.
        txdesign
        • 9 Months Ago
        @JamieM
        "I wish they would just go back to back to what they were" It's funny, or not, depending on where your mind is but you can find this line on almost any car message board these days. Porsche, Mini, BMW, etc. all the enthusiasts, and I am one, feel like we are being pushed out by the majority of car buyers who want ever more refined, ever more gizmos, more space, etc.
      Israel Isassi
      • 9 Months Ago
      They broke a bunch of ugly sticks on that thing.
      Actionable Mango
      • 9 Months Ago
      I just don't care for the styling at all. This looks like a Chinese knockoff of a Jeep, destined for the Chinese domestic market.
      sixsix
      • 9 Months Ago
      PLLLLEEEEAAAASEE keep the FIAT design team off of the Grand Wagoneer.
        RLC
        • 9 Months Ago
        @sixsix
        Agreed! No tortured, overwrought FIAT styling. Just a modern version of the classic that started it all...
        Timothy Tibbetts
        • 9 Months Ago
        @sixsix
        Also agreed. That looks like a Fiat and that's not good but it's not really Chrysler anymore so... looks like the beginning of the end in the design department.
        Framo Logan
        • 9 Months Ago
        @sixsix
        The Renegade is designed in USA for " hard man " as the new Cheroche
        zack_falcon
        • 9 Months Ago
        @sixsix
        I heard that rumors of the initial looks - supposedly a mix of the Durango, and classic Wagoneer. Hopefully it stays that way.
      Radioactive Flea
      • 9 Months Ago
      My second "Jeep what were you thinking" moment of the year.
        john96xlt
        • 9 Months Ago
        @Radioactive Flea
        Yeah, what are they thinking? Building products that will sell well, appealing to a large section of the market place in which they compete? Who ever heard of that method to running a business?! Some sort of Tom foolery that is! They should just build a bunch of square/blocky, slow-selling, fuel-******* SUVs that are crude, uncomfortable, unreliable, slow, hard to live with and ugly, just so they can keep idiots like you happy. They'd be out of business in 3-5 years, but they'd make people like you (who'd never buy the products either way) happy in the mean time, and that's all that matters, right?
      OffRoaderWrangler
      • 9 Months Ago
      We've been hearing about a Grand Wagoneer forever. It's not going to happen. CAFE numbers are becoming more important and they can't afford another SUV.
        Neil
        • 9 Months Ago
        @OffRoaderWrangler
        the grand wagoneer is happening and is going to be the same size as the Durango, which it could end up replacing. as for economy, the new 8-speed helps when compared to the old and out-dated 5-speed Mercedes unit.
        john96xlt
        • 9 Months Ago
        @OffRoaderWrangler
        Yeah, just like Ford isn't at work on new heavy duty pickups and full size SUVs and GM didn't just introduce like 5 versions of their large SUV! Don't you get it? Selling vehicles like the Renegade (or Ford Escape or Chevy's 30 MPG Equinox) promotes healthy CAFE numbers while gaining an entry into the brand. Say a good MPG Cherokee owner is happy but wants something larger, with 7-passenger seating as his wife just got pregnant. He's ready to trade up to a Tahoe or Explorer if Jeep doesn't give him an option. They'd be fools to ignore the 7-passenger SUV/CUV market and try to call themselves a true SUV brand.
      Zo
      • 9 Months Ago
      They will just eliminate the Durango from the Dodge Brand and badge it a Jeep with cosmetic changes and raise the price - done! They have been all about consolidation
        GR
        • 9 Months Ago
        @Zo
        It's kind of what the difference already is between the Durango and Grand Cherokee. The GC is more tuned for offroad and the Durango is better tuned for on road performance. The Durango is offered in 7 passenger seating while the GC is not.
          john96xlt
          • 9 Months Ago
          @GR
          Exactly, the niche exists and it's being filled (somewhat successfully) but they Durango at the moment, courtesy mostly of Ron Burgundy more than anything else. If that goes away, FCA still needs a full size, 7-passenger crossover to compete with Explorer, Traverse, Pathfinder, and Pilot. Makes since to lump it into the Jeep brand if the Dodge version outstays it's welcome. Anything they do is bound to be better than that AWFUL Commander. It did everything wrong. My family had one, terrible vehicle. Perhaps the larger Grand Wagoneer is to compete with Tahoe and Ford's 2017 Expedition?
        zack_falcon
        • 9 Months Ago
        @Zo
        That's kind of what I'm hoping will NOT happen. Not only is the Wagoneer more expensive than the Durango (if the projected price is to be believed), it will also come with features Durango owners are not looking for. Fiat-Chrysler needs more than one seven seater SUV, but I'm pretty sure they couldn't market the differences properly.
          zack_falcon
          • 9 Months Ago
          @zack_falcon
          Do you perhaps mean the Ford Expedition? If so, I'm not really aware of that thing's size (other than it being immense), but I sincerely hope that the Wagoneer doesn't deviate too much from the Durango - anymore and it will be difficult to get it "off-road capable".
          Thomas D Hilton III
          • 9 Months Ago
          @zack_falcon
          on Allpar.com, Im told that the Truck version of the 6.4L could be offered in the Wagoneer. to me that tells me that this might be as large as the Exhibition
      CadiVetteFerrari
      • 9 Months Ago
      I don't like the name, Grand Wagoneer. The name doesn't exactly scream Range Rover or even LR4 competitor.
        GR
        • 9 Months Ago
        @CadiVetteFerrari
        It's based on tradition.
          GR
          • 9 Months Ago
          @GR
          It's not a stretch for them to name it "Grand Wagoneer" if it's supposed to be their largest vehicle. The Wagoneer was not a small vehicle.
          john96xlt
          • 9 Months Ago
          @GR
          @BC The "Grand" versions in some of the examples you gave (Marquis, Caravan/Voyager) DID denote the larger model. Before the Sable replaced it, Mercury was selling their mid-size RWD as "Marquis" and their larger RWD sedan as "Grand Marquis". Those stepping down from a full size into something more efficient felt right at home in the stogy old Fox body Marquis. It was just like their old large Mercury (or Ford or whatever), just smaller. It was quiet, smooth riding, somewhat comfortable, looked like the box it came in, and had the driving dynamics of a bar of soap, just like the Grand Marquis. Jeep had a Grand Cherokee for years with out a "regular" Cherokee. That's been corrected now, but the fact of the matter is, the Grand Cherokee struck out on it's own and resonated with buyers because it appealed more to the Ford Explorer crowd in the '90s than the XJ Cherokee did.
        carguy1701
        • 9 Months Ago
        @CadiVetteFerrari
        It's not.
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