• Mar 3, 2014
While the dark cloud that was the Better Place bankruptcy may have had a silver lining for some in Israel, in the US that cumulonimbus is wrapped with lithium. Or, more precisely, lithium manganese oxide (LiMn2O4) with a sprinkling of lithium nickel oxide (LiNiO2). That's because a boat load of batteries intended for those erstwhile BP swapping stations have found their way across the Atlantic and into the clutches of our friends over at EVTV.

For the next five days, these 24-kWh packs will be available for a mere $3,600.

If you've been considering rebooting a classic car by installing an electric drivetrain, or perhaps something decidedly more ambitious, this might be a good week to procure the batteries for your project. For the next five days, these 24-kWh packs, manufactured by Automotive Energy Supply Corporation (AESC), will be available for a mere $3,600. That works out to $150 per kWh, which is really (really!) cheap. After Friday, the price will go up to a-not-unreasonable $3,995, or about $166 per kWh. That's likely less than it costs Nissan to put these same (relatively safe) cells in its Leaf.

While this might look like a drop-in sort of solution, it's probably not as easy as it might seem to incorporate a finished pack into any old vehicle. On top of the thorny issue of the battery management system, there is also the fact that the shape of the 640-pound lump – designed to slide up into the rear of the Renault Fluence Z.E. – might not fit into your dream ride. At least, not in the way you might want it too. In fact, EVTV's Jack Rickard tells us he expects customers will take their packs apart and mount the 48 individual battery modules in configurations of their own choosing.

You can get all the specifications and see pictures of the freshly delivered packs over at the EVTV web store. Scroll below for this week's entire episode and you can hear Jack and his co-host Brian Noto discuss their latest haul and do a little battery unboxing. The show is famously lengthy, so if time is an issue skip the first hour and 40 minutes to get right to the pertinent part, or click here for the printed details.



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      • 9 Months Ago
      The first hour and forty minutes IS the good stuff. The remainder at the end is just some assclowns playing with a forklift and trying to drop 27,000 lbs of batteries on their foot. Clearly these guys just want to get liquored up, play with some high voltage, and go for a drive. DON'T try this at home. Jack RIckard
        jeff
        • 9 Months Ago
        Well I guess UPS finally got their act together... Glad you got the cells. There might even be a few new builds come out of this just in time for EVCCON 2014... thanks for all of your help....
          danfred311
          • 9 Months Ago
          @jeff
          Charging 20k$ extra for needless storage is not getting their act together. That's a crime. I've had a bad experience with UPS as well although on a much smaller scale. 60$ shipping from digikey USA, they wanted additional 100$ from me for paperwork and because our legal system is too lame to be proactive about beating down such depravity what can you do but pay the bill..
      sebringc5
      • 9 Months Ago
      Congrats to EVTV and Jack Rickard. When OEM's lose, tinkerers win! Aaron Lephart smartcar451.com
      Ryan
      • 9 Months Ago
      I managed to buy one of these packs. Let's see how it goes. It is $3,000 less than LiFePO4 for 50% more range... It is almost too good to be true.
      Spec
      • 9 Months Ago
      That is a great deal on battery packs. Some conversion people will be very happy. What a weird shape to integrate into a conversion though.
      krona2k
      • 9 Months Ago
      I wonder how easy (or difficult) it would be to use these with solar panels to allow you to go almost off grid.
        jeff
        • 9 Months Ago
        @krona2k
        Pretty easy. You can use most types of charge controllers, but you will need something reliable to monitor the pack voltage and shut off the charger when it hits a certain voltage. (Think two big contractors in series) This is because most charger are for Lead Acid batteries which need an equalization phase where it slight over charges the cells. This would certainly damage Li cells and be a potential fire Hazzard...
        2 wheeled menace
        • 9 Months Ago
        @krona2k
        Rewire it for 24v and a very large amount of amp hours. Some solar chargers can be configured for voltages around 24v or more.
        danfred311
        • 9 Months Ago
        @krona2k
        They would probably be rather good for that. Although you need the right electronics to use a non lead battery and that might be hard to come by. If you can find a solar inverter that can use a battery backup that's not lead but some number of lithiums then you can rearrange the can elements inside to whatever voltage the inverter needs.
        2 wheeled menace
        • 9 Months Ago
        @krona2k
        If you keep to an ~80% SOC and have all your cells in line, you can run a large lithium pack without balancing. You will also extend the life of the cells by doing this. Having ~20kw-hrs instead of 24kw-hrs is not bad anyway. That's a good bit of storage.. :) I know, i have done it for 4 years.
      2 wheeled menace
      • 9 Months Ago
      Holy ****... now's your time, if this deal is true! Build one EV car, 2-3 electric motorcycles, or 24 ~50 mile range electric bikes with one of these. If you don't have 3 hours to watch every second of this video, lemme give you the highlights: 6:00 - EV pack for a car built out of recycled 18650 cells. 39:30 - AC motor stuff & building an electric boat. 1:34:30 - This is when they actually start talking about the batteries.
      2 wheeled menace
      • 9 Months Ago
      LOL.... i love this comment: "I hear from this guy every week. He's like Dan Frederiksen West" at ~2:28:00
        danfred311
        • 9 Months Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        I have the death sentence in 12 systems :) And there can be only one. Jack doesn't think that the guy is like me. I'm just like the lawnmower man, forever on his brain and he's trying everything to tear me down in his mind. He blocks my emails now even though we have exchanged hundreds of mails. He tries to silence me everywhere he can. But even though he has isolated himself completely my voice still rings in his mind. And it is because I speak the truth that it sears into the mind. Jack sometimes commits prematurely to a viewpoint and nothing will convince him it's wrong. And when I tell him it's wrong it offends his ego and he lashes out. Pretends I am the problem. And he's far from the first. It's a fairly common reaction to me because my corrections are numerous, it overwhelms many. And Jack is a natural target for suggestions because he can change things with his money and his drive. But it quickly became too much even though I'm very gentle. He has his own will and because mine isn't compatible I'm seen as a problem. But because he's smart enough to subconsciously know I speak the truth, it gnaws at him. He calls me an idiot when I suggest things but ironically a month or two later he implements what I suggested, at which point he's sure it was his idea. And when I point out that I have our email exchanges proving otherwise he only gets more mad at me. He is very intelligent but he lets his pride betray his mind. It's more important to him to be right than to be right. And that is an unwise spirit. It's the sin of pride. And because he foolishly denies the truth he handicaps his efficacy in the precious little time he has left. What I tell him can greatly empower him but he sees it as attack or erroneous. His latest adoption of my suggested course of action is getting someone to develop an AC motor controller which this video covers in the beginning. I have tried to make him aware of the great opportunity for cost reduction there is in that approach. But he called me an idiot and a bottom feeder yet now he is slowly doing it and now he is sure I had nothing to do with it. It's all his idea and I'm delusional. But even though he adopts some of my ideas, the irrational aversion means that vital nuances unfortunately get lost and they fall short of their potential. And likely will this time again. And then he can tell himself that my idea wasn't that great anyway. Even though he never admits to himself that it was my idea. Such a mess. Apparently my cross to bear that noone ******* ever listens. Jack wastes his life, I waste my life, almost nothing changes when I could speed everything up by a factor ten if people just ******* listened. Everybody knows best and who the **** am I to tell them what to do. And a bankruptcy or two doesn't mean they learn from it even when it's too late.
        Spec
        • 9 Months Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        LOL, you cray cray.
        Grendal
        • 9 Months Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        LOL! Dan, you're famous! Or infamous, if you prefer.
        2 wheeled menace
        • 9 Months Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        Umad, Dan? (trollface)
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