When we last left the New York auto dealers and their fight against Tesla Motors, there scene was an uneasy ceasefire. The New York State Assembly and its backers from the Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association said last summer that they would allow the three currently operating Tesla stores to continue operating but would pick up the issue again when the legislature reconvened in early 2014. Well, guess what? That time has come a new bill is being promoted that tries once again to stop the California automaker from selling its electric vehicles in its non-traditional way.

The dealers say the bill doesn't target EV companies unfairly.

Capital New York says representatives of the state's dealers have met with Governor Andrew Cuomo about the new bill and he apparently said he would sign it if it reaches his desk. The dealers say the bill doesn't target EV companies unfairly and just asks them to play by the same rules as everyone else, which means selling cars through traditional dealerships. Tesla says that traditional dealerships don't work for EVs and currently sells its Model S out of small stores in places like shopping malls.

Actor Mark Ruffalo (best known as the Hulk in the recent Avengers movie) tweeted his support, saying that EVs are good for New York and that what the bill is trying to do is akin to stopping Apple from selling its products directly to customers. He also asked his many, many Twitter followers to call and oppose the bills. Tesla is fighting against similar laws and proposals in many other states, including Texas and Ohio. We have asked Tesla for a comment on the new New York legislation and will update this post if we hear back.


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      EZEE2
      • 1 Year Ago
      Liberal 2EZEE here... So again, we see a democrat, from a democrat state, with a democrat mayer in the democratically filled biggest city in that democratic state, thwarting the will of the people, plus mother earth, as she cries out in pain, as her world fills with toxic fumes. Polar bears...they struggle in the water...the drown, in a silent scream, as they first see their babies sink before them. As the recent news report states, rapes increasing due to global warming, and yet, what do we have here? What do we see from democrat Andrew Cuomo? He thwarts the efforts of mild mannered Elon Musk, as he tries to save the planet with his best ever rated Tesla car, to sell directly to the people of New York. Why, O, why, does Andrew Cuomo, as he sits back with is buddies from Exxon Mobile, and the Koch brothers, feel so beholden to create a world of toxic dead baby seals, where it is too hot for gay weddings, and even smoking legal weed, just so he can enrich his Wall Street fat cat hedge fund bank managing buddies from big oil, big insurance, big pharm, big agri, big sugar, and Haliburton. Right now he sits back in his mansion, having a party with his friends the Koch Brothers, burning $100 bills to light their imported cuban cigars, making jokes laughing with obnoxious 'harrumphs,' in a house nearly as large as Al Gores, and produces nearly as much carbon as a John Kerry flight to talk about global warming (special note - John Kerry's flight produced 12 tons of carbon - nearly as much as the average person does in a year), eating eggs made from endangered California Condors, and talking about how they want to keep people of color poor and on welfare, so they can continue to stay in power. One day, O, One Day, New York will see fit to impeach and expel people like Andrew Cuomo, so that gay baby unborn yoga instructing wheel chair bound blind muslim agnonstic hump backed whales can see a day when they are not immediately harpooned by Japanese whaling fleets the moment they are actually born to practice their muslim yoga instructing krill eating ways of their ancestors. (normal 2EZEE here) - Seriously - this is America - we should at least pretend to be a free country.
        Edge
        • 1 Year Ago
        @EZEE2
        Ezee stop spouting all that truth. They can't handle it here. Be prepared for a major down ranking.
      JP
      • 1 Year Ago
      The dealership protection laws are obviously unconstitutional and always were. It's long past time to change them.
      purrpullberra
      • 1 Year Ago
      These vile people must be stopped. Trying to restrict Tesla sales is as evil and anti-American an issue there is. The dealership people need to put down in every conceivable way. Protests, boycotts, vandalism, fire bombs and bullets are all called for at this point. Only evil fools think dealerships have any right to demand that they restrict the way a competitor is allowed to compete. There are no franchise contracts for these franchise protection laws to protect. It's so simple that only $$$Hundreds of Thou$and$ of $'s can overcome the logic.
        Marco Polo
        • 1 Year Ago
        @purrpullberra
        @ purrpullberra " Protests, boycotts, vandalism, fire bombs and bullets " With friends and supporters like you, Tesla doesn't need enemies ! ( and your comments might be a little more sincere, if you weren't a Tesla shareholder !)
          purrpullberra
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          To think I'm less than perfectly sincere when I say these things because I'm a shareholder you are a illogical moron, it must be said. Shareholders can have as sincere motives as anyone else. But you know that. Your opinion is indefensible and so you attack the person with your stupid arguments instead. "friends and enemies" -- great line, think of that one on your own? Your negatives scores show you that your position is totally wrong and I am closer to holding the majority opinion on this matter. This is a matter of right over wrong and righteous indignation and violent revolution are very American. You are a lying apologist for evil thieves.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @ purrpullberra No being a shareholder, doesn't make you less sincere, but it does give you a vested interest. (BTW, I'm also a shareholder). As for your advocacy of violent or criminal behaviour on Tesla's behalf, you are deluded if you think the majority of Americans, or Tesla shareholders, would agree with you. ( Nor can you show me one statement of mine, which is factually untrue. ) But, if you have the courage of your convictions, instead of just ranting on your keyboard, go ahead, practice (non-violent) civil disobedience, get arrested ! Make a stand ! ( I still won't agree with you, but at least I'll have more respect your level of commitment ! )
          purrpullberra
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          I said 'closer'. Most people are 'closer' to holding my view. Meaning that most are sick and tired of these lies and fear-mongering about what threat Tesla may represent. Many folks are seeing that these dealerships don't deserve ANY protections from ANY factories or manufacturers. Not just my friends, but people here on ABG are changing their minds to really despise the dealerships, completely separate from what I try to do with inciting folks. Just never use the word insincere to describe me, it makes you look like an idiot to suggest that. I am nothing other than perfectly earnest. I'm frickin' childlike that way (and many more). So do you really think I've made 17 million people change the way they are going to vote? I'm never going to forget that one! LOL Rush Limbaugh couldn't. Ted Butt Nugget couldn't. Romney couldn't. BUT I DID !!!!!! Changed. 17 million. Votes. Wow. That's wonderful stuff, thank you for the laugh.
        bluepongo1
        • 1 Year Ago
        @purrpullberra
        @ purrpullberra Switch to de-caf buddy, you're scaring the children. ;-)
          purrpullberra
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bluepongo1
          I LIKE scaring kids!!! This issue is unfathomably important to our future. I'm smart for trying to incite anyone to do anything to change the status quo Dealerships are atrocious and hateful companies that have no right to restrict their competition. I am willing to treat them the same way they think they can treat Tesla. My individual actions may not do much to change things but that is no reason to just let this crap happen. Do you really want everyone to just shut up and let Tesla be bullied by perhaps the most vile and hated Americans? What level of anger in between mine and none is what proper, exactly? Again, remember, nothing that happens here means anything.
          bluepongo1
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bluepongo1
          @ purrpullberra Violence didn't work for the Ukraine, the Russians rolled in, do you really want to be so divisive that the Canadians see an opening? The Canucks are up there sharpening their skates, waiting for the chance to put mayo on your fries!!! ;-) = JK. This issue will probably take time and waste dealers money, but their zombie business model will probably end up like Blockbuster Video, dead. The only ones who will benefit will be the govermedia / lawyers, save the rage for those who supress tech, make it lawful to obstruct business ( by removing safety equipment and installing their tool CEO's) and lie to you.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bluepongo1
          @ purrpullberra I don't know why, but I'm going to try and explain the harm you're doing with all this hate and crazy behaviour. The NADA has a membership of 21,890 Franchised new car dealers. Now think about that for a minute. 91.6% of those dealers are what is classed as small to medium local business, employing an average of 80 people. That's 1,751, 200 US citizens, those people have families, and friends, say.... 10 times that number, who like and care for them and their well being. That's 17, 512,000 US voters you just lost for Tesla ( and EV's in general) by bad mouthing them. In addition, over 58% of those dealers have very strong ties into their local communities. They sponsor local community groups, sporting associations, Rotary, Lions, Church groups etc, etc. Many dealer principle have served on local volunteer fire brigades, served the the community as elected city and county politicians, Mayors etc. They also serve as party (Dem and Repub) officials. In these positions they have built a lot of community support. In addition the local dealers support a lot of local small businesses, accountants, lawyers, local newspapers, radio stations, local TV, etc, and other small business people. It wouldn't be unreasonable to to believe a factor of another 2-300 people who want the local dealer to prosper. That's another 40-60 million ! These people are the ones who turn out, and actually vote on local issues. Do you really imagine that they will be favourably impressed by some fanatic on the internet, call their popular local employer/relative/ community benefactor/ church elder/ fire-fighter, "evil scumbags" , and advocates employing, " Protests, boycotts, vandalism, fire bombs and bullets " ? You are just making the problem more difficult for Tesla, and EV acceptance in general.
          purrpullberra
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bluepongo1
          It doesn't work in Africa either. Assassination can be ugly. But the French Revolution helped rid that country of a LOT of terror and evil. And Marco, NO ONE comes here who matters or who is willing to change a vote based on my hatred of NADA. I at least propose doing something. What do you do but throw your hands in the air. IF we really threaten their lives and livelihoods MAYBE they will see how seriously the people are taking the issue. "Lost votes for bad mouthing them...." STFU and LOL You're a worse joke than you think I am. Nothing you do takes any side, you have no morals or center here. I am clearly on the side of what is right and the energy of righteous anger is quite powerful in this society. I aim to focus that energy on stopping people who MUST be stopped. THAT is something that I can do here. And, never, in no way, have people ever voted the way you try to portray it. You do see how stupid your example was, right? I'd bet a lot of money that I have changed more opinions on ABG to my side than I have convinced to oppose me by my anger and calls to violence. People are crazy, unpredictable dude and no one votes for stupid **** just because someone they know may lose their sh1++y dealership jobs. get real.
      PeterScott
      • 1 Year Ago
      If this is just about forcing Tesla to play by the same rules, why do they need new rules?
        Brian H
        • 11 Months Ago
        @PeterScott
        Because the old ones don't work for EVs, especially Tesla. It makes cars to order, no dealer lots required. And they have TRULY superior service compared to dealers. And dealers drag their feet selling EVs because they don't generate servicing profits. And consumers HATE the fights to minimize dealer up-charges. And ....
      Brian H
      • 11 Months Ago
      It's time for nomo Cuomo. He's a serious drag.
      SeadogMillionaire
      • 1 Year Ago
      This must be a quite a quandary for Republikans ... as they despise Tesla because it is green technology (and for being a successful new innovative company which exemplifies entrepreneurship) ... but they also claim to (selectively) dislike Government regulations, which the States of New York and Ohio and Texas are trying to impose on Mr. Musk's company. This is a true lesser-of-two-evils dilemna for them.
      Actionable Mango
      • 1 Year Ago
      Where's all the hateful invective I normally see here whenever a Republican does this?
        2 wheeled menace
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Actionable Mango
        Lol, yup. It's always okay when 'your' guy does it. This is how Bush got away with doing the same things that Obama is doing, with basically little to no clucking from the republicans for 8 years. Now FOX news is all mad about all the police state crap that he put in motion and cares about liberty so much! It's almost as if Obama put all that NSA spying in motion ... lol
          Joeviocoe
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Also.... One of the natural reactions to downsizing troops on the ground, is to upsize the Intelligence community. So the "War on Terror" that Bush started, cannot simply be "turned off" now that he's out of office. The only thing a President can do is bring home troops, but increase our ability to watch from afar. That means surveillance programs.
          Joeviocoe
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          EZEE... Hackers have been able to do the camera thing for years. Why would the NSA not want to learn how?
          Joeviocoe
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Yes, the number of nations involved in direct combat has gone up. Natural consequence for NOT waging a full scale war in a single country, and waiting for insurgents to rally outside combatants. As in Iraq, many of the fighters came from other countries, coming through the borders. I would rather take the fight directly to them, with our scapels (SOCOM and Drones), rather than our broadswords (Army and Navy)
          EZEE2
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          @joe So much for Hope and Change then...no change and no hope. Except.... We had 60 nations we were fighting in when bush left office, now it is 134 nations. And drone strikes have increased. So just like with the NSA, Obama fed the war on terror growth hormone, then lots of protein and creatine, then a weight lifting program, and...wow. Hey 2WM! Notice how your point was just made by Joe and he didn't realize it? He is all, 'oh yea, hackers do it! And, bush started it, so I won't say a thing now because my guy is doing it, and my guy doing it is fine, because he was forced into it and had no choice and couldn't stop it because when my side does something bad, it's like, they cannot help themselves and they are totally ineffective to fight the other side, whereas the other side can totally defeat us every time because we actually suck and our side rides the small shirt bus to school so we have to forgive them because they are imcompetent infighting the other side! I love their logic... But congrats 2WM...rarely is someone's point proven SO QUICKLY as yours was. Your genius....is unparalleled.
          EZEE2
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Obama just fed the NSA spying stuff steriods and good protein while making it do P90X each day and sticking to the diet plan with no cheating so now it is this massive - and oddly very effective organization in getting everything. Oh - I read where they are able to flip on your web cam and take a photo every 5 minutes - so for obvious reasons...uhm...you might want to take a piece of tape and cover the lens as I have. Not that I would ever do anything that might be embarrassing near my computer while watching adult oriented video clips...
        EZEE2
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Actionable Mango
        Give me a second, I have to wake up Liberal 2EZEE...he is filling with righteous Fury...
        Edge
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Actionable Mango
        All the anti-Republican crap on here is really outrageous whether it's deserved on not. These people should find a political forum to fill their emotional need to spout invective. A lot of it, is pigeonholing republicans into a certain camp, when in reality many republicans hold quite different stances, and many are very pro-EV.
          Julius
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Edge
          "All the anti-Republican crap on here"... I'd go one step further and say "all the POLITICAL crap on here". Both extremes are just as bad.
      2 wheeled menace
      • 1 Year Ago
      I suspect that the dealers' association isn't the main driving force here. Who wants to crush a company finally starting to have success selling cars that actually directly compete with internal combustion engine cars?
        Julius
        • 1 Year Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        Actually, I do think it's the Dealer's Association that's at issue here. Simply put, don't you think "MSRP" would drop dramatically if Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, et.al. all had "factory stores"? Think - if "cutting out the retail middleman" wasn't so effective, then why are "factory-direct outlet stores" so popular? So if Tesla wins its right to sell cars directly to the public, why wouldn't Toyota do the same thing, and undercut the dealers?
          Julius
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Julius
          @ 2 wheeled menace It's not just this company. In 2011, Chrysler bought an ailing dealership in LA, and was forced to sell it off again. And GM was slapped earlier in the 2000's for "financing" the purchasing of dealerships under a dealership development program that created de facto manufacturer's stores ... You just have to search for "GM Retail Holdings" to find it. Tesla's similar effort is making national news today because featuring Musk is a "hot topic".
          2 wheeled menace
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Julius
          Sure, that's a good point. But why, oh why, has this ever came up so strongly that laws have been made on the state level in response to this company in specific? Many well established car companies got away with violating these rules for a long time.
        Marco Polo
        • 1 Year Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        @ 2 wheeled menace What on earth are you talking about ? The major OEM's are supporting Tesla in the fight to end the reatail restriction. Now one is stopping Nissan, BMW , GM selling EV's, no one could or would stop Tesla, if it sold through dealers. Tesla is quite capable of setting up a franchised dealer network.
        Joeviocoe
        • 1 Year Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        ---"No one is stopping Nissan, BMW , GM selling EV's, no one could or would stop Tesla, if it sold through dealers. " Huh? That sentence is the whole point... THEY ARE. "if sold through dealers". Kind of the crux isn't it?
      brotherkenny4
      • 1 Year Ago
      Proving the contention of the late great Frank Zappa, that "stupidity is like hydrogen, it's everywhere."
      Anderlan
      • 1 Year Ago
      What makes this stupider than stupid is that Tesla isn't breaking "the same rules as everyone else". Tesla is using cracks in stupid rules to do something good. If what Tesla is doing threatens dealers because the majors might do the same thing, then the majors would already be doing it. Tesla is not breaking the "rules". AND THEY'RE STUPID RULES.
      Dave D
      • 1 Year Ago
      I'm so tired of the American gov't being up for sale to special interests and their lobbying and money. When does the good of the People they are supposed to represent come into the equation?
        EZEE2
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dave D
        In reality I do not care if it a democrat from NY or a republican from GA - I never like to hear, 'not going to allow' or, as in the case of the Georgia Republican, 'allow X number of units to be sold' - seriously - this is America. I understand if the product is dangerous, but if it is a legal product, then eff this 'not going to allow' BS. Eff it. Eff the government official.
        2 wheeled menace
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dave D
        "to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - The United States of America's declaration of independence. It should be pretty clear by now that our government works primarily for "corporate persons", not actual living human beings. Our founding fathers told us to alter or abolish our government if it becomes tyrannical or goes significantly off it's original path. You've been tread on. The bill of rights is being whittled down at a good rate. If you're mad about it, drop the idea that the decision you make between 2 industrially-supported candidates every 4 years is going to give you something other than corporate rule. Perhaps we ought to take a clue from our founding fathers and withdraw our consent to be ruled in this manner.
          EZEE2
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          The 'corporate persons' support is interesting - however, remove them from the process, and are their interests not represented to the point where it is difficult for them to survive (ie, ownerous rules being passed, full unionization all states, etc.,) or that they leave the country for greener pastures? Donations are considered free speech so who's speech is free? Take a group of people and pool donations, and soon that is a PAC. If the Brady (anti-gun) people are fine as a PAC, is then the NRA? Simple regulations that are as basic as possible, that apply to all with no exceptions - is that the way to go? No subsidies, regardless of the type of industry? Is a monetary donation free speech? How much is too much?
          EZEE2
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          My comment was directed at Dave d as well. So went GM moves plants to china, you will say, 'fine! Let them go!' And when the little guy funds out manufacturing in china is cheaper, you will say, 'fine, let them go!' And when the businesses in California move to texas, which they do every day, you will say 'fine, let them go!' And when Texas had to create new businesses hauling empty u-hauls back to California because no one goes to California, you will say, 'fine, let them go.' And when all of these people are out of work in Illinios but they have full employment in North Dakota, you will say, 'fine, let them go!' And when we continue to pass more onerous regulations in businesses so unemployment skyrockets and the tax. Are crumbles, you will say, 'fine, let them go!' And when your plants die, because you refuse to water them, you will say, 'fine, let them die!' Just like you cannot expect a plant to live without water, you cannot choke a business until it either dies, or leaves. Texas, South Carolina, North Dakota, Alabama, Florida...all growing, with dropping unemployment rates due to positive business climates. With the new healthcare program alone, businesses and state governments are laying off people across the country, and cutting hours, but fine! Let them do that! Magically, others will come in and pick new jobs off of trees! Friends of mine that own a small business saw their insurance rates to from $400 a month wjth a $4000 deductible to $1200 a month and a $10000 deductible under the new plan. And guess what? They laid off an employee as a result. These aren't scare tactics, they are simple realities. The company I work for already gave up on Illinois. But Florida, Texas, Virginia, Wisconsin, Alabama, Arizona.... Speaking if that, we have a $5000 referral bonus on jobs....and we are hiring in....I probably don't have to tell you which states....
          EZEE2
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          @joe You are mistaking Limbaugh and Hannity for various liberals. Liberals always threaten to leave when they don't get their way. Like, if bush is reelected. Now, Sean Hannity did say he was going to leave NY when Cuomo issued his closed minded statement that right wingers were not welcome. He now has his house up for sale, and various states are lining up to ask him to move to their state, because they recognize the tax bonanza of having him in their state, plus the jobs he will bring. But you are right. The rich never move for greener pastures when say, the tax rates get to his or regulations to onerous. Businesses do not move to Texas, for example, to escape from California. Oh wait, they do. Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama....all of the places they actually do open up new auto plants....then there is Mexico, china...no, the rich won't stop, they will simply leave where people welcome them with open arms. The people where they go, like Texas, have jobs, and incomes now rivaling northern union states. Or North Dakota, where mcdonalds pays $20 and up for people, as they have full employment, and then there is New York and the New England states, where the gun manufacturers are leaving after being there 100's of years, simply because their interests were not protected. So now their jobs, their taxes, and everything else are moving to where they are welcome....the south. I am sure the New Yorkers and others is New England who lost their jobs are happy about all do this, and the lost tax base, which went to providing fod and government services for the poor, women, and minorities,will have no problems. Wow.
          2 wheeled menace
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Remove corporations from the picture and you have a more free market than ever before. They just become ordinary businesses with the same liabilities and privileges as everyone else. No entity should have more rights than a living human being. But that's just what large corporations have, by their legal definition. Money is not speech. Money is money. It should not determine what decisions are made, nor who is elected. We know by now that that idea gets us in a lot of trouble I am calling for a separation of business and government. Business should be on the same moral/legal standing as individuals, and government should only interfere when they do harm. If BP dumps a million gallons of oil into the ocean, they should be punished the same way that i would if i did the same, for example. A fine which is barely punitive is not sufficient to put the fear o' god into them to the point where they will focus on minimizing liability. Which BP was not doing at all, because they were allowed to get away with 100x more safety violations than every other oil company. That is one example of how corporate privilege and a superhuman category of business is destructive to everyone except the corporation, of course ...
          Dave D
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          EZEE, the threat of corporations to take their toys and go play somewhere else is becoming a common scare tactic to keep the peasants in line. And it is an incredibly vacuous argument. Let them go. It will provide an opportunity for other people and new small companies to pop up here in the US and satisfy the markets they abandon. They didn't exist when this country was founded and when it flourished and grew. They grew because of the opportunities provided by this country and now they seek to abuse it and control it to further enrich themselves at the expense of others who would earn also thrive. They are creating a lower class to feed off of.
          Joeviocoe
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Dave D... exactly. O' Reilly and Hannity both threatened to leave if Obama did this or that... trying to claim that taking a higher percentage from the rich is an incentive for them NOT to continue doing what makes them rich. Please, it is all a bluff.
          Joeviocoe
          • 1 Year Ago
          @2 wheeled menace
          Well, it will be interesting to see if Hannity really moves or not. You're right, people do move from state to state. That is a good point and a good purpose for states to have varying laws. Labor intensive jobs do leave California, while tech jobs often move in. It is not even of course, but really California is not draining for everything.
      • 1 Year Ago
      Dealers have a place, they're going to play a pivotal role in supporting the forthcoming expansion of EV sales... If they think about this in a 21st Century way. Doggedly clinging onto 20th Century protectionist models is foolish and will inhibit America's comeback to the top of their game as a dominant player in the auto industry, at the same time as heralding their own demise. It's akin to the music industry trying to block cassette sales, like the movie industry trying to outlaw VHS tapes and like British Telecom trying to enforce their patent on the use of the hyperlink... sometimes, the world moves forwards and the stubborn are just steamrolled over.
        Marco Polo
        • 1 Year Ago
        @ Michael Thwaite The US has several other industries which the Federal, or various State governments, have enacted legislation to prevent Manufacturers controlling the retail sector of the industry. These Auto-industry retail business models have been lobbied against for many years, particularly by Ford, BMW, and GM. The growth of the internet has considerably change how the young, and urbanised citizens define communities . The old bonds, loyalties, and connection to local communities are rapidly disappearing. The growth of giant Shopping Malls, buying on line, etc, has replaced the small shops clustered round older public facilities. The Post Office, once the centre piece of a town, and symbol of Federal Authority, has disappeared, and many of it's services transferred 'on line'. But in the smaller towns and suburbs, communities still exist that are more close knit. In these areas, the local Franchised car dealer, is still an important community figure. Many community organisations and small business rely on his support. Often he is involved in a wide range of communities activities, such as the fire volunteers, Rotary, church and other organisations. Car dealers are often local Aldermen, Commissioners, Mayors etc, and are very experienced at getting voters behind local issues. State legislators must be very wary of disregarding any group with such grass-root support. A Californian billionaire, with a following of internet supporters,( who don't actually vote, and if they did, don't live in the legislators electoral district), will have a very difficult time persuading local legislators to make themselves unelectable. That's the reality.
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Indeed, and, in the future, companies like Tesla will have a difficult if not impossible time matching the reach of car dealers hence my belief that they have a future - indeed, my local Ford dealer has a Model S on the lot today - they're thinking on how to embrace not block the technology. USPS went through the dark days watching their business being eroded by the Internet and by carriers like UPS, FedEX, etc. Their primary task of delivering junk advertising dried up. However, they, at the last minute decided to embrace the new - they're now the Sunday delivery fleet for UPS and I love that I can order something on Amazon on Friday and see it on Sunday... often Saturday. The auto dealers can embrace EVs - why not sell Tesla Model S? Tesla's not stopping them. Why not remain relevant by installing DC fast charging at every dealership - turn dealers into 'gas' stations for EVs - perhaps charge $10 for a recharge and serve coffee in the showroom next to all of those lovely new EVs? Think 21st Century guys.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @ Michael Thwaite Actually, it is Tesla who is refusing to sell through dealerships. (Even exclusive Tesla dealers). This is understandable, since Elon Musk is convinced that his auto-motive product is so radically different that he needs to control the retail process. He wants to follow the 'Apple', method of company owned stores that are more in tune with Tesla's image. What makes it more understandable, is that Tesla is a very exceptionally different auto-corporation. But the dealers have their point of view also, and although Elon Musk is not known for his ability to compromise, should try to seek some accommodation or compromise with the NADA, as this fight has become divisive and counter-productive.
          Julius
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @ Michael Thwaite: " in the future, companies like Tesla will have a difficult if not impossible time matching the reach of car dealers... " I doubt that. If Tesla wins its ability to sell directly, then the franchise dealership is dead. On average, about 50% of a dealer's income is new vehicle sales. If you have a "factory dealer and service center" next door that costs 10% less to the consumer, where do you think they are going to go?
          Electron
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @"Marco Polo": I get it, car dealers are the salt of the earth, pillars of the community that need to be protected against the evil Californian billionaire. Few people would put "salt of the earth" and "car dealer" in the same sentence so that grass root support is rather more questionable than the clear fact of campaign contributions. You certainly are well versed in bending the fact (and outright lying, creating your own "reality")in what appears to some sort of ongoing opinion shaping effort on behalf of vested (oil) interests but you will find your systematic support for the dealer war against Tesla will gain you few accolades.
        purrpullberra
        • 1 Year Ago
        Dealers HAD a place. No more though. This lying, cheating bribery is enough proof that they need to be stopped.
        PeterScott
        • 1 Year Ago
        I see Marco is back to his "contrarian troll" game again. (Google it and tell me it doesn't fit). Then Google the recent research on the psychology of Trolls.
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