Every year when we start talking about which automaker is the biggest in the world, there always seems to be at least a little bit of controversy. For 2013, Toyota handily took the top spot with 9.98 million sales, but it's the runner up spot between General Motors and Volkswagen that is starting to create a stir.

Based on our earlier report, GM's 9.71 million vehicles put it in second place ahead of VW's 9.5-million-vehicle effort. Now, The Detroit News is reporting that VW is claiming a tally of 9.73 million sales, including figures from MAN and Scania – heavy-duty truck divisions under the VW AG family. The article points out that Toyota's sales figure includes its Hino line of trucks, but these might still be considered light-duty vehicles while MAN and Scania build tractor trailers.


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      AnandRS
      • 10 Months Ago
      As long as consumers have choices, healthy competition is good for consumer's
      Lachmund
      • 10 Months Ago
      prepare for the troll rage: knightrider_6, over9000, black dyanmite..where are you?!
      jonwil2002
      • 10 Months Ago
      Are they including figures for the MAN and Scania bus products (chassis and full buses?)
      SooooRight
      • 10 Months Ago
      Never has so much VW trash been sold to so many. The horror.
        • 10 Months Ago
        @SooooRight
        [blocked]
        no1bondfan
        • 10 Months Ago
        @SooooRight
        +1 for paraphrasing both Churchill and Apocalypse Now. Well done, sir!
      chad.pattyson
      • 10 Months Ago
      Good for them. As a VW owner (also own a Subaru and a Jeep), I can say that my particular example has been more reliable than the other two makes and the customer service from the local dealers is top notch. 08 GTI out of warranty for 2 years now and never left me stranded or let me down. I really hope they reach number 1 as they have worked really hard the past few years to rebuild consumers trust.
      FuelToTheFire
      • 10 Months Ago
      Am I the only one smelling something fishy here? There is absolutely NO way that VW is #2. How many VWs do you see a day? Almost none, when you see hordes after hordes of Toyotas, Hondas, GMs, and Fords. VW Group sales: 407, 074 GM sales: 2,786,078
        GR
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Fuel, You are only seeing it from North American eyes. VW is huge in China which is really the main country in this global sales equation. If you wanna beat Toyota, you need to be big in China. VWs are rather popular there. VWs and Hyundais were omnipresent when I visited China a few years ago. GM has also pushed into China aggressively. The Japanese brands suffered from political tensions between Japan and China. Ford isn't as hot as GM in China. Also, VWs are quite popular in Europe, but that should be a given. In the US, it's unthinkable that VW should surpass GM, but this article is about total global sales.
          GR
          • 10 Months Ago
          @GR
          Fuel, You have no idea how big China's automobile market is and how fast it's growing. I've personally talked to a Mercedes-Benz corporate employee who stated that China is the make-it-or-break-it market for automakers. Buick is popular and to prove my point about China's relevance: Buick's success in China is the only reason Buick is still around. GM wanted to ax it like they did Pontiac and Saturn, but strong brand sales in China saved the brand. VW is rather popular in China and this is why they beat out GM in global sales. Don't forget they are also popular in South and Central America.
          404 not found
          • 10 Months Ago
          @GR
          Clearly Fuel's never been to China.
          Lachmund
          • 10 Months Ago
          @GR
          such stupid, much ignore, so narrow minded
        gtv4rudy
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Another unsuspecting comment from Fuel...
        phlipp21
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Ahh yes, the world. From the shores of California, to the statue of Liberty! The whole world.
        jessesrq
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Buick is a (near) luxury brand, here and in China. While Buick is successful beyond GM"s wildest dreams in China, that is relative to brand expectations in the luxury segment. VW deals in volume models, like the Polo, that Chinese middle class can actually afford.
        Lachmund
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        You should really leave your cave from time to time.
        • 10 Months Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        [blocked]
      knightrider_6
      • 10 Months Ago
      I underestimated the number of morons in the world. Nice job CrapWagon.
      Walt
      • 10 Months Ago
      Vehicles recalled should be deducted from total vehicles sold in any given year to find the largest maker of quality autos. Hint: It's not Toyota
      Burn
      • 10 Months Ago
      VW made a name for themselves by doing what GM was crucified! for decades in the US for doing,, badge engineering.. the Golf platform is rebadged dozens of different ways in Europe and around the world.. NOT because its so great but because its so cheap to produce(Ford Focus or Renault Clio are the far superior FF chassis) funny that..
        chad.pattyson
        • 10 Months Ago
        @Burn
        Not even close. A VW and a Skoda for example may share similar platforms, however they drive completely different, interiors are totally different and have totally different levels of fit and finish. They also don't compete directly against each other. Every manufacturer practices platform sharing ( RR Ghost and BMW 7 Series ) GM just added different bumper covers to their vehicles as jacked up the price. Example ( Pontiac Montana, Chevy Uplander, the Saturn and Buick ones, etc. same goes with the. Sun fire and cavilier, cobalt and G5. I could go on forever. All horrid garbage. Hence why you can go to a junk yard and pick up a Trailblazer door that bolts and fits onto an Envoy with no issues. They may be better now, but what they were doing goes way beyond so called badge engineering.
          Max Bullo
          • 10 Months Ago
          @chad.pattyson
          Audi drives exactly like Seat/Skoda. Leon and Exeo are rebadged Audi A3/A4.
          Alfonso T. Alvarez
          • 10 Months Ago
          @chad.pattyson
          "All horrid garbage" Yep, that pretty much sums up every post you make ...
          the.fog
          • 10 Months Ago
          @chad.pattyson
          You don't think a VW door fits on a Skoda with no issues?! You seriously think that "platform sharing" doesn't involve the same hard points?
        the.fog
        • 10 Months Ago
        @Burn
        But VW isn't american, so we kiss their ass. (As americans, we only hate our own)
      Wm
      • 10 Months Ago
      VW actually sold more than GM last year. GM counts many vehicle that do not carry any GM brand name. About half of the cars GM claims they sell in China ( approximately 1.5 million) are actually made by a partnership that GM is a minor owner of. The name on the vehicles belongs to one of the partners. These are not GM designs, and many were actually derived from Mitsubishi designs. These are very cheap micro vans that typically sell for $5,000 to $10,000. Until recently the Chinese government highly subsidized these vehicles. That would somewhat be like Toyota claiming Pontiac Vibe sale if the Vibe design was derived from Peugeot when GM was a major partner in NUMMI.
        the.fog
        • 10 Months Ago
        @Wm
        GM isn't a "minor" owner in any of its Chinese ventures.
      bobbylightbryant
      • 10 Months Ago
      Vw are great cars!
      Dean Hammond
      • 10 Months Ago
      I really dont care whos #1, all that is is bragging rights....profitability in conjunction with desirable product trumps sales numbers if you ask me...
        jessesrq
        • 10 Months Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        Any idea who wins the profitability contest? I assume it is Porsche, since they sell in enough volume to absorb R&D costs compared to an exotic brand, but still need not compete on price like mainstream or other luxury brands. I would bet a heavily optioned 911 approaches 50% net profit.
          axiomatik
          • 10 Months Ago
          @jessesrq
          The only reason they almost went bankrupt is because they were trying to secretly buy VW. They borrowed billions of dollars in an effort to buy up all of VW's outstanding shares. The plan ultimately didn't work, and thus they had to be bailed out. But despite that particular goof-up, Porsche is very profitable on an ongoing basis.
          Dwight Bynum Jr.
          • 10 Months Ago
          @jessesrq
          That may be true, but you do realize Porsche almost went BANKRUPT in March of 2009, and it was only loans from banks, the German government, and a $980 million loan from Volkswagen that made sure that didn't happen... right? Unless they've radically changed their business practices and paid off a huge sum of that debt that I'm unaware of, I don't see how they could actually be the most profitable at the end of the day, despite being the most profitable beforehand.
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