The magic mark at the Nürburgring once stood in the sevens. Anything that could lap the vaunted Nordschleife in less than eight minutes was considered biblically fast. But with all manner of vehicles clocking lap times that start with a seven, the goal post has moved below the seven-minute mark and into the sixes.

Discounting barely-legal track cars from Radical, whose LMP-style pseudo-racers top the time charts, the Porsche 918 Spyder holds the record as the fastest street-legal production car ever to lap the Ring at 6:57. A blindingly fast lap time, to be sure, but the 918 isn't the only new hybrid hypercar in its class. According to official factory statements, the McLaren P1 has lapped the winding German circuit in under seven minutes. And rumor has it that its actual lap time, though not confirmed, was clocked at 6:47. That would already make it considerably faster than the Porsche, but that's not the end of the story.

According to an unnamed inside source cited by Autocar, the P1 has actually lapped the Nürburgring in "six minutes 30 something." That would make it nearly half a minute faster than the Porsche, and a good ten seconds quicker even than the Radical SR8 LM. For its part, McLaren has yet to confirm the time, but we're sure it will in due course.

For that matter, though Maranello has tested the new LaFerrari to the track, it has yet to announce any official time. But with the gauntlet thrown down, we wouldn't be surprised to see a scarlet-clad test team heading north to Germany in the near future. The last time they did, they clocked a 6:58 lap time with the 599XX, but while production-based, that car was never meant to drive on public streets.


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      Jesse
      • 11 Months Ago
      I can't help having some question regarding this time because the journalist who made the report also claimed the car was capable of 5 g's of lateral force. If you have read some of his past features he comes across as very biased toward British automobiles. Why wouldn't McLaren release the time IF it was better than the 918 Spyder? Instead, they let the gullible journalist release the "reported" claim.
      Lachmund
      • 11 Months Ago
      I think we all expected it to be quite a bit faster than the Porsche with all this dedication to aerodynamics. 6:30 would be madly impressive! Don't believe the LaFerrari can top that.
        DKONE
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Lachmund

        Notice that here we are almost a half YEAR later and still, there have been no official lap times released for the P1.  My guess is that they in fact did not top the 918.  And when you really think about it, how could the P1 beat the 918?  The 918 is all wheel drive, has 300 lb ft more torque and has all wheel steering.  It murders the P1 off the line with a 0-60 speed of 2.2 seconds as well.

          Comment Man
          • 2 Months Ago
          @DKONE

          Where are you getting those ridiculous figures?  The 918 has a 0-60 of 2.8 and it is a fair amount slower than the P1 in 0-100.  Let's be honest and give credit where credit is due...the 918 is great car but not on the same level as the P1, which is honestly the greatest car ever made.

          Comment Man
          • 2 Months Ago
          @DKONE

          Where are you getting those ridiculous figures?  The 918 has a 0-60 of 2.8 and it is a fair amount slower than the P1 in 0-100.  Let's be honest and give credit where credit is due...the 918 is great car but not on the same level as the P1, which is honestly the greatest car ever made.

          Roberto Sygal
          • 22 Days Ago
          @DKONE

          two videos for the guy below me @dkone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI( needs special tires to win, 918 will beat up P1 with same tires) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgJV37KUz4 (its 2.4s, the P1 its 2.6, from 0 to 60)

      Kuro Houou
      • 11 Months Ago
      Love this car, truly a perfect example of engineering worthy to succeeded the older, yet still amazing F1 :)
      Scooter
      • 11 Months Ago
      P1, 918, NSX.... I really need to play powerball.
      th0mb0ne
      • 11 Months Ago
      Slightly off topic, but it's still amazing that the all time fastest race lap on the Nurburgring was way back in 1983 (Stefan Bellof set a time of 6:11 in a Porsche 956). You'd think that they would have more race cars give it a shot.
        DKONE
        • 3 Months Ago
        @th0mb0ne

        Porsche will always be kings of the ring

      George S
      • 11 Months Ago
      in a McLaren forum somebody cracked what its going on. The KERS cannot keep a charge long enough for the full lap. So that means that the car cannot keep the top speed for long periods. What McLaren did is to record the lap in segments. From this curve to this one with the car fully charge. The after the car gets all the power back, they do the next segment. McLaren stated that that is what they were doing, recording times for each segment of the track, they claim the total time by adding their time recordings on each part. Now this theory is fine for a kid but it has the same validity as to claim that Usain Bolt would the the fastest man in the 1500 meter race. Because if you add his time in the 100 15 times then he is way faster than any of the 1500 meter runners, except he isn't. So the P1 time is theoretical if the car could keep the energy of the KERS for the hole lap, but it can't while the 918 Spyder can actually do it. The evidence from the statements of McLaren and the totally biassed magazines suggests that they are making a theoretical claim that t cannot be sustained in the real world. My guess is that they under estimated the engineering prowess of Porsche in being able to make a much more advanced hybrid system for the car.
        UnderdogSupporter
        • 11 Months Ago
        @George S
        Nissan was looking at the video of the 918 lapping when developing the GTR Nismo and what they noticed was that by approximately 1/2 through the lap, the batteries in the 918 were also depleted and the car was not running at full speed. As a result, the 918 could also have set a faster time if the batteries could have held their charge through the entire lap. As a result, saying that McLaren produced an inferior advanced hybrid system is incorrect.
          Lachmund
          • 11 Months Ago
          @UnderdogSupporter
          but they have..it doesn't recharge normally and it works with less motors on only one axl.
        Bernard
        • 11 Months Ago
        @George S
        The 918 can't do that either.
          mitytitywhitey
          • 11 Months Ago
          @Bernard
          @Porsche4life, The Porsche system is not being proven to be more advanced than the Mclaren system, as they both run out of juice before the lap is done. I think what's being said in the article is Mclaren can do a 6:4x with it's engine, and 6:3x in 'segments'. The 6:3x is marketing, but there's still a good chance the Mclaren beats the Porsche outright anyway.
          Porsche4life
          • 11 Months Ago
          @Bernard
          @bernard Ofcourse it did. The 918 did the lap in race mood which means motor and electric working together all out and lapped the ring in 6.57. That goes to show you what that Porsche has a very advanced system. Now if the McLaren did it in the time theyr saying and not segments than damn. I'll kneel to them. Until I hear official time and details I'll stick to the fact that 918 holds the record.
        Jesse
        • 11 Months Ago
        @George S
        Thanks, George S. Now, it all begins to make sense.
      Nicholas
      • 11 Months Ago
      The suspense of these lap times is killing me. I understand that the 'Ring' times are mostly useless when it comes to buyers influence, but it is very important for these three titans. Any track will do, just as long as it is the same track for these big boys.
      Dio Heerai
      • 11 Months Ago
      Its real !!!....... AUTOCAR and EVO were both there and both are now saying 6:30 . Autocar is set to release its FULL review of the P1 this week and TopGear is starting its season on Sunday with the P1 review. This is why nothing was said until now couple that with Walter Rhorl saying that the P1 is a much more track oriented car (why would Porsche's chief tester make a statement like that) and the evidence is clear
        CarMaven
        • 11 Months Ago
        @Dio Heerai
        How can you say "It's real", when Auto car is not saying it is? More nonsense from McLaren, cause their car can't go under 7 min at the ring.
          Dio Heerai
          • 11 Months Ago
          @CarMaven
          Simple they were there off the record and they were THERE idiot ...So career auto jurnos we cannot trust but we should listen to stupid rantings of dicks like you . I gave you NOTHING BUT FACTS ..why would people put the journalistic career on the line to lie for ONE car WHY..stupid
        Lachmund
        • 11 Months Ago
        @Dio Heerai
        it is now being confirmed the 6:30 were a theoretical lap if they would be able to recharge the battery on the go. the mclaren's battery depleted pretty fast so that's how they probably 'only' did 6:47
          Dio Heerai
          • 11 Months Ago
          @Lachmund
          That was the whole point it was way below 6:47 they timed that one themselves and the Goodwin put a blistering time down and all the crew was cheering about 6:30's read the tweets
      ffelix422
      • 11 Months Ago
      This car is quickly developing a very nasty reputation for kicking butt.
      Dio Heerai
      • 11 Months Ago
      http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/mclaren-p1/mclaren-p1-versus-porsche-918-spyder-which-best FOR ALL the silly haters on here read the article above from a man who has driven BOTH cars on the SAME track . Then read the Maclarenlife blog where an owner who owns 918, LaFerrari (has not driven yet) and P1 with the same opinion that P1 is WAY faster Why would these people lie
        Steve K
        • 11 Months Ago
        @Dio Heerai
        Lie? Strong word. Unobjective fanboy who loves British cars? Absolutely. 5G cornering, as much as a modern F1 car? Don't make me laugh. That's someone so smitten they will write something absolutely ridiculous and not even realize how ridiculous it is. At the end of the day this is a glorified hybridized 12C with a lot more downforce. Same basic tub, same basic motor. At least with the LaFerrari and Porsche, you get something truly bespoke. This car is just playing off how revolutionary and absolutely pinnacle level the achievement of the original F1 was, except it isn't nearly as alone at the top of the mountain.
        DKONE
        • 3 Months Ago
        @Dio Heerai

        I find it hilarious that even though Sutcliffe THOUGHT the P1 "felt" faster, it turns out the 918 is the quickest car EVER MADE.  Two very prominent magazines are on record clocking a ridiculously fast 0-60 time of 2.2 seconds in the 918.  The best time ever recorded for the P1 is 2.7 seconds.  The all wheel drive plus 300 lb ft. torque advantage of the 918 is impossible for the P1 to make up for.

          georgieporgie
          • 2 Months Ago
          @DKONE

          0-60 doesn't matter on the ring!!! its 10 miles long lol wow you people are hilariously naive

        georgieporgie
        • 2 Months Ago
        @Dio Heerai

        if he hasn't driven the laferrari yet how would he know the P1 is faster...lollllllll derp

      georgieporgie
      • 2 Months Ago

      you people are all completely naive.. Running a fast time on the ring is mostly driver first of all.  Saying that, what kind of idiot would take something so beautiful and rare as a p1 or laferrari to the absolute limit..nobody in their right mind.  It's headlines if those cars crash because they cost the same as a damn F16.  The person posting 0-60 times and relating it to the ring shouldn't be allowed to comment on car forums anymore either. 0-60 means crap on a track that's over 10 miles long lol wow.  Derp but it has AWD!!...go back to playing FORZA and let the big boys talk lol sheesh.  statistically the laferrari has more power, more torque, better lateral g's, and I guarantee its balanced as well as the Porsche if not better, it's a damn Ferrari.  So for all you Ferrari and McLaren haters out there, : P

      sforza209
      • 11 Months Ago
      That's the best looking hyper car compared to the La Ferrari and the Porsche 918!
        Andre Neves
        • 11 Months Ago
        @sforza209
        I have to disagree. While the McLaren looks badass in a sinister-looking way, the Ferrari & Porsche just look beautiful. The Ferrari looks like a Ferrari, the Porsche looks like a Porsche. The McLaren looks like something straight out of the Sci-Fi network.
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