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Trucks have towing capacity, EVs have driving range and performance cars have Nürburgring lap times. What do all three have in common? They should all be taken with a grain of salt. Currently, there is no sanctioned way to record lap times or verify production-spec cars – a lesson we recently learned with the 2015 Nissan GT-R Nismo – and until there is a way to do so (and there probably never will be), we'll never officially know the actual time it took for Ford to lap the 'Ring with its ultra-powerful Shelby GT500.

After posting a Ford-made video of a 2013 GT500 running around the 'Ring, the guys over at SVTPerformance.com (an enthusiasts forum not affiliated with Ford or SVT) wanted more answers. They got in touch with Ford's Global Performance Vehicle Chief Engineer Jamal Hameedi, who said until there is a way to verify the times and inspect the cars, Ford will not get involved with lap-time wars. In the email, Hameedi pointed out that the 'Ring is a useful tool in that it allows a wide spectrum of track conditions, but until there is a governed way to record times, there is no way to accurately compare cars head-to-head.

And as much as some may not like it, Hameedi speaks the truth. It really isn't possible to compare times from one car to another, unless those cars were lapping the same track at the same time with the same driver. Not that any of this means there won't be continuous wars by fans and manufacturers alike... in other words, feel free to voice your opinions in the Comments below.


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      EngineerJack
      • 1 Year Ago
      Having the same driver should not and would not matter in this. The point is to see how fast the car can get around the track, therefore the OEM should be able to pick whoever they want because the car has physical limits and it's up to the driver to find them. The problem is that the ring is a HUGE track with lots of bumps and so a record isn't really a practical measure because of the amount of variation between laps. Fastest is fastest, but it doesn't say much about the car. OEM's should be setting records on modern, well maintained, reasonably sized tracks. Or maybe they can just use 0-60, lateral g's, and braking distance....nah, who cares about that stuff.
        J
        • 1 Year Ago
        @EngineerJack
        If I'm a better driver than you, I'm going to possibly lap quicker in a slower car, which doesn't tell the story about the car at all. Drivers are pretty large variable in lap times, so sticking to one makes a lot more sense.
      PiCASSO
      • 1 Year Ago
      That's fine... I will just have to buy one myself and video tape my track run.
      jhendrix8888
      • 1 Year Ago
      Come talk to me little chevy camaro boys, when the 2016 shelby gt350 comes along. Bring along your zl1/ z28,29 and 30, you'll need it. lol Game over!
      • 1 Year Ago
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      v6sonoma
      • 1 Year Ago
      So basically "Yes the Z28 is a faster car on the track. So we'll quote 1/4 mile times instead to show ours is better."
        m_2012
        • 1 Year Ago
        @v6sonoma
        No, he said until there is a way to accurately and fairly quantify times, there is no point. He is absolutely right. Just like tow ratings for trucks, they are useless unless you use the standard (which no one wants to do because it lowers the numbers). Ring numbers are useless anyways really. Yes, its a great tool to tune with but nothing more.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @v6sonoma
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        ngiotta
        • 1 Year Ago
        @v6sonoma
        @v6sonomoa. Not only do they quote 1/4 mile times, but also 0-60, 0-100, 60-0 and top speed-- because the mustang is better at all of those things.
          v6sonoma
          • 1 Year Ago
          @ngiotta
          I would hope it would be with a weight and horsepower advantage. Put it on a track that turns and you begin to see how unbalanced the car is.
          ngiotta
          • 1 Year Ago
          @ngiotta
          Using your same argument, the Camaro has a suspension and traction advantage. The weight difference isn't much as the GT500 weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the ZL1 and 45 pounds more than the Z28. It comes down to what you're using the car for. Everyday driving, drag racing and stoplight warriors will be much happier in a GT500. Road course guys might want a Camaro (or wait for the lighter, IRS-equipped 2015 Mustang).
      AcidTonic
      • 1 Year Ago
      They are just embarrassed that imports are mopping the floor with them *Cough* GT-R.... *cough*. They are busy focusing on providing another Escape Fire Recall..... Again.... and then Again. Not Performance....
        • 1 Year Ago
        @AcidTonic
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        m_2012
        • 1 Year Ago
        @AcidTonic
        Yea, because 700HP is sooo weak.
        Patrick Schultz
        • 1 Year Ago
        @AcidTonic
        The gtr is twice the price, I would hope it's faster
      Joe
      • 1 Year Ago
      This is otherwise code for the GT500 got slapped upside the head by either the Z28, ZL1 or both together.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Joe
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      The Law
      • 1 Year Ago
      Because they know, they can't beat Chevy.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @The Law
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        The Law
        • 1 Year Ago
        @The Law
        It beat the Z28? Me thinks not.
        m_2012
        • 1 Year Ago
        @The Law
        There is a video of both on YouTube. You should watch them and come back.
      Michael Sexton
      • 1 Year Ago
      It's only a pissing match when you can't compete.
      icemilkcoffee
      • 1 Year Ago
      There was no standardization in hybrid gas mileage testing neither, but that didnt stop Ford from lying about the Fusion Hybrids gas mileage by 7mpg.
        Jarda
        • 1 Year Ago
        @icemilkcoffee
        ^^^ this
        Sheldon
        • 1 Year Ago
        @icemilkcoffee
        At least get your biased hating right! The Fusion numbers aren't the ones that caused the issue, it was the CMAX. Ford uses the Fusion's test numbers for the CMAX without testing it. If there's one thing worse than trolling, it's bad trolling.
          axiomatik
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sheldon
          It is nonsense to believe that Ford didn't test the CMAX. The engineers new exactly what mpg it would get. Ford simply gamed the EPA system for marketing reasons and hoped it wouldn't bite them in the butt.
      Beancounter
      • 1 Year Ago
      Because these cars can only drive straight...
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Beancounter
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          Steve Mulcahy
          • 1 Year Ago
          That's the sign of somebody that gets their car knowledge solely from Top Gear. Its a fun show, but take what they say with a grain of salt!
      • 1 Year Ago
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        ponycargt
        • 1 Year Ago
        You're trolling right? You call this bloated and over styled, so you went Camaro instead? You're very funny.
          Steve Mulcahy
          • 1 Year Ago
          @ponycargt
          Well, the Camaro is such a very light car.... nope, can't do it.
        S40Powered
        • 1 Year Ago
        I agree. The whole car looks cheap and made of plastic. Look at that fat hood. I'd rather the new Camaro or the best-designed Challenger anytime.
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