It turns out that after toting a 7:08 time around the fearsome Nürburgring Nordschleife for the new Nismo-tuned GT-R, Nissan might not have been entirely honest about the car it was using. From what we've been hearing from a few different publications, the GT-R featured in the video isn't what we're going to see on the production model.

PistonHeads reported on the so-called "Time Attack" GT-R while it was in Japan for the Tokyo Motor Show, going so far as to detail the differences between it and the standard GT-R Nismo. And friends, this isn't just a matter of swapping tires. The mods made to the Time Attack car are far more comprehensive.

For a start, the TA produces more downforce thanks to larger aerodynamic pieces. It's some 110 pounds lighter than the standard car, thanks to new bucket seats. The ECU and dampers have been swapped for new units, and the brake pads are different as well. If you've read this far, you might be feeling slightly angry or betrayed that Nissan is toting numbers for a modified car. Don't be.

These items will be offered on customer-spec GT-R Nismos, so really, Nissan withheld rather than outright misled. And as it turns out, those new dampers are actually softer than the standard Nismo, thanks to the bumpy track surface in Germany. Still, it kind of shows off the fact that Nürburgring times shouldn't be taken as gospel, at least on new models that haven't even gotten into the hands of customers or independent testers. Buyer beware - if you're basing your entire purchase on some arbitrary time from a strip of asphalt on the other side of the planet - we guess.

Scroll down for a "revised" video of the GT-R Nismo's development story. The meat and potatoes of the video, the 'Ring run, kick off around 16:40, although the entire spot is worth a watch.


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      Avinash Machado
      • 1 Year Ago
      Sad if true.
      John Wemigwans
      • 1 Year Ago
      nissa said in its original debut that there is a "track package" with Ohlins shocks, larger rear spoiler, and more carbon fiber pieces used, but due to the "cost" of these additional costs is why it is not standard on the NISMO... The NISMO GTR will likely cost near $150,00 then add another $15,000 for the "track package"... that is a large coin to put down and will be near 911 GT3 pricing, Also the "base model" GTR is going with a softer suspension to snag up those customers that find the GTRs ride just to rough.
        John Wemigwans
        • 1 Year Ago
        @John Wemigwans
        I can't find the link for the video it is on ustream though if someone with a better internet computing device could find it...
      sixsix
      • 1 Year Ago
      Everything Nissan has ever sent to the RIng has been a Ringer. Period. There is a lot more than what is written here. The Tune they put on the vehicle would wear the street car out in a fraction of the time and make the warranty impossible to honor. No customer car has come even close. Additionally, Nissan has spent years on this track specifically developing and setting up the test car for it. They have hundreds if not thousands of laps of practice in GTRs. Same goes for Porsche. That's why their record don't count to me. Take a car off of a dealer lot, give it to a professional driver not too familiar with it, and give them 2 days to get their best time. That's the record that matters. The Viper record setter was pulled off of a dealership lot and sent over. They set the record in a day (I believe). There's no boost to secretly turn up, not DCT to tweak. There's not much at all they can do to send a ringer. Nissan is full of crap.
        bubba_roe
        • 1 Year Ago
        @sixsix
        Sorry, I think the Viper was a ringer. They want you to believe it wasn't, that's what that whole story about pulling it from a dealership is about. Who knows what they actually did to it, that's why their record doesn't count to me. lol
      Richard
      • 1 Year Ago
      What's the problem then If you can is going to be offered with everything the ring car has as options? A customer could buy the same or equivalent if they wanted to.
      truewhiteboy
      • 1 Year Ago
      Shady Nissan, shady. It's not cheating as from what I gathered from the article you can purchase this edition, but they should have come out and specified from the start it was the NISMO edition.
        ghetto2315
        • 1 Year Ago
        @truewhiteboy
        You clearly misread this article as well as the original article. Nissan 100% said it was the "NISMO" version before and after the testing. What is in question is that there are a few bits and pieces on the model used during the run that, at the time, wasn't confirmed that it would available on the production version.
      jeff.kuhlman
      • 1 Year Ago
      Full disclosure, I'm the head of Communications for Nissan. In fact, we hid nothing. See Carlos Ghosn's speech the night that the car was revealed -- about 1 minute into the speech: "7:08.679. That time is ten seconds faster than the last time Nissan tested a GT-R at the Nurburgring. And it establishes the GT-R Nismo with a track package as the fastest volume production car around the Nurburgring. " "... with track package ..." Also in the press releases. 7:08.679 ... Hard work, dedicated team and street-legal tires.
        nitrostreet
        • 1 Year Ago
        @jeff.kuhlman
        From what I’ve seen I don’t believe many would have a problem calling the GTR Nismo a volume production car (although I think mass production car would sound better) since it’s really not a separate model from the standard GTR, just a performance package, it still runs down the same automated assembly line as the non-Nismo, compared to the 918 which is mostly hand fabricated much like a race car is. But when comparing the 2 cars it’s probably most important to remember you’re comparing an $845,000 car to an under $200,000 car (Maybe even under $150,000) The main problem I have is Nissan basically is taking a test mule GTR; making some laps and then calling it the “GTR Nismo” and “most of the mods to this car will be available as an option” and it’s like really?, some of those mods aren’t even emission legal, and some of the other mods aren’t crash safety legal, so how are you going to sell those options?
          nitrostreet
          • 1 Year Ago
          @nitrostreet
          I think for the most part we're arguing about 2 different things, but you brought up a point I hadn't thought of which is absolutely true; if this GTR they ran the Nurburgring time with is not street legal then it is definitely not a production car, but simply a race car. In reality I don't believe that Nissan will make a non street legal car which means they will simply drop the not street legal parts from the "Track Pack" car, meaning it won't be able to duplicate the Nurburgring number.
          Mike
          • 1 Year Ago
          @nitrostreet
          GT-R Nismo and the GT-R Nismo with track package are not one in the same. Even you pointed out that there is potential that the track package would make the car not legal to drive on the street, which excludes it from the 'production' category. Price is irrelevant in this. I already assume Nissan loses money on each GT-R sold just like Toyota loses money on the LFA, VW lost money on each Phaeton, etc. They are there for marketing and pushing the limits of R&D budgets. If it truly is a a volume production vehicle sold at the dealer with that entire setup in 'volume', hey, more power to Nissan. Otherwise it's false advertising and needs to be dealt with as such.
        Mike
        • 1 Year Ago
        @jeff.kuhlman
        honest question, what does Nissan describe as a 'volume production' since this required a specified track package and was still slower than a production Porsche 918. I don't know how many 918's they will be selling, but will it be less or more than GT-R Nismo's with the track package sold from a Nissan dealer? Regardless, it's a crazy fast time. I just want the honest numbers on sales to make it 'volume production' with that specific package required to hit the time used in marketing the car to buyers.
      Joe Liebig
      • 1 Year Ago
      Nissan is a cheating garbage manufacturer. The GT-R is their biggest bluff ever. When the first one came out after the old Skyline, they just got the attention of the mental 16 year olds using great specs. Soon customer found out that there's a catch to that cheap supercar: its just good for one good round. Expensive service in 6 months intervals, voiding warranty for taking it to the track or even using launch control and an overall quick degradation of the car when driven like a proper race car. Turns out a well-speced 911 can be cheaper than that GTR, simply because it lasts longer. So they did it again. Just announce some great track time that almost noone will ever try to reproduce. You got the show-offs who can barely afford the leasing rate, brag with the 7.08 but are just driving to the local shopping mall with their GTR. They want to ignore all the other facts, that proper race drivers will tell you. Nissan should sponsor a cycling team at the Tour de France. That would be cheaters helping each other.
        dearest rat
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Joe Liebig
        Why so much anger towards Nissan and GT-R owners? Did Nissan bully you in high school? 'Ring times are for marketing material/bragging rights more than anything (not to be taken seriously), and how many GT-R owners and "proper race drivers" do you know? I work in the Beverly Hills area, and see all sorts of auto exotica all the time, and have only seen a handful of GT-Rs on the street...I guess they must all be at the shopping mall.
      denniskfc
      • 1 Year Ago
      most GTR owners won't be able to finish with 8:00 ring time anyway. it's just bragging right
        msg
        • 1 Year Ago
        @denniskfc
        that apply to all other cars
        boosted
        • 1 Year Ago
        @denniskfc
        Who cares? The Nissan GTR launched with a $63,000 dealer invoice and Nissan raised the price of the IDENTICAL car $30,000 in 2 years. Any educated person is not going to overpay $30,000 for the same car. I wanted to replace my ZO6 with a GTR as a daily driver, but I REFUSE to pay $30,000 more than others did for the SAME car. Nissan's greed and stupidity caused the GTR to be a sales failure. Instead of paying $100k for a GTR, why not buy a C7 Corvette AND a Infinit Q50x for LESS money?
          Pininfarina
          • 1 Year Ago
          @boosted
          So a car that does the ring 30 seconds faster is considered the same car? $63k dealer invoice a joke, good luck finding anyone who paid anything less than $80k for a new GTR.
          thequebecerinfrance
          • 1 Year Ago
          @boosted
          You keep posting the same message again and again.
        NissanGTR
        • 1 Year Ago
        @denniskfc
        Actually owners are setting sub 8min times with their GTRs. THere is proof over in nagtroc forums.
      Frisky_Dingo
      • 1 Year Ago
      Duh, yes. This has been known for the last week. I got a bunch of down votes by the fanboys already in another thread about it.
      Spytap
      • 1 Year Ago
      Wait, so if the options are available on the same iteration of the car, how is it a ringer?
      cypherxx666xx
      • 1 Year Ago
      that´s what i meant recently, don`t trust factory claimed Ring times, the GT-R is very quick no doubt but this is just another typical carmaker Nürburgring promo stunt. Do everything to a car, legal, illegal, known, unknown, to blitz an outrageous time and to push sales. only trust independent testers such as sportauto, the rest is just PR imho.
      ThinkAboutIt
      • 1 Year Ago
      I'm sure it was Porsche that started this rumor.
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