Oh, dear. It seems Forza Motorsport 5's publishers, Turn 10 Studios, have just kicked an own goal in the ongoing battle between the XBox One exclusive and its Sony Playstation rival, Gran Turismo 6. It's come to light that FM5 will make do with a mere 200 cars and just 14 tracks when it hits shelves on November 22. That's 300 fewer cars and nearly half as many circuits as Forza Motorsport 4, while GT6 comes out swinging with six times as many cars and 39 tracks.

Perhaps more worrying than the number of cars are the shortage of tracks.

Now, the issue with the cars can kind of be explained away. Forza may be down 300 cars on its previous instantiation, but it'll be arriving with a greater variety of metal for gamers to race and customize. It'll be the first to offer the McLaren P1 and Ferrari LaFerrari, and will also be offering open-wheel racers, like the Dallara DW12 Indy Car and Lotus Renault's 2013 Formula One car, as well as two vintage options, Niki Lauda's 1976 Ferrari 312T and James Hunt's McLaren M23. Forza also has a well-documented track record of offering some seriously impressive car packs via paid, downloadable content or a season pass (the season pass for FM5 will run $50 and include 10 new cars every month, for six months).

Perhaps more worrying than the number of cars are the shortage of tracks. While Forza packs exciting additions like Spa-Francorchamps and Mount Panorama, it'll do so without the Nürburgring Nordschleife, a track that has become as standard in the Forza/GT world as keg of beer at a frat party. It will also lose old standbys like Suzuka and Infineon. And while their loss is a particularly bitter pill for gamers, it's a medicine that will end up benefiting them in the long run, according to Creative Director Dan Greenawalt.

In an interview with Eurogamer, Greenawalt explained the missing tracks:

"Some of the tracks ... needed light updating, and some of them needed heavy updating. Silverstone, for example, was a complete recapture. Several of our tracks were just plain wrong, either because they were poorly captured and technology's moved on, or the track's changed like Silverstone. We're grading the tracks on what state they're in, and if they didn't make the grade they were gone... I wanted to deliver the next-generation quality - and that meant having the shaders, and the imperfections in the concrete. And the easiest way to get those is to laser scan the track, as that captures those imperfections. We had old references on tracks where if the tracks we had were close we were able to go back to the old reference and recreate that imperfection. By definition that means these tracks take more time than ever."


The pursuit of perfection is admirable, but the question is whether gamers will be receptive to not only buying a game that requires a brand-new console, but one that has fewer cars and tracks to offer than a current-generation title from the competition. Greenawalt closes out the interview explaining, "We're looking at what we're going to add as DLC. Obviously we're committed to cars - that's something we do very well. We're looking at tracks as well to see what we can do there." As always, we'd like to hear what you think. Does the lack of cars and tracks limit the appeal of Forza Motorsport 5, or is the situation tolerable, so long as DLC comes out to rectify the issues? Have your say in Comments.


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      Bryan Rex
      • 1 Year Ago
      there is only ONE reason for this... So they can release more tracks and cars in DLC's or expansions to get more and mroe money from you.. effing greedy bastards
      Chris R. Friend
      • 1 Year Ago
      Forza 5 - 200 cars Gran Turismo - Nearly all those 200 cars + 1000 more + no need to buy a new console
      Timothy Carey
      • 1 Year Ago
      Didn't gran turismo 3 have more cars than that? Nurburgring is a deal breaker for me. I will not buy this game.
      bwsatchmo
      • 1 Year Ago
      I was considering paying the $500 for the console only to play this game, but not if I have to spend $300+ just to get a complete game after all the DLCs are released. I've played FM, FM2, FM3, and FM4 to completion, but Turn 10's decision to release a half-complete game then make me pay for the rest is garbage. Perhaps I should introduce myself to that GranTurismo series though...
      jonnyb22
      • 1 Year Ago
      Turn 10 Studios has made a turn for the worst, How can you discard one of the most important tracks in Motorsport.
      Scooter
      • 1 Year Ago
      I've been an avid gamer my entire life. When I was a teenager, I remember scraping up allowances and selling my old games to get the money to buy new games. There was no "DLC" or "add-ons". I really can't imagine how I would've been able to "game" as a kid in today's very expensive gamer world. I think most people here pretty much got the message. DLC is something FM5 is betting on. I'm betting on GT6 providing a solid gamer experience without the need for DLC. I played GT5, never feeling that DLC was necessary. With such a shortage of cars and tracks, and todays ever present "online" play, the pressure to buy DLC will probably haunt players even more. I feel bad for the kids today. Gaming really is such an expensive pastime.
        Bandit5317
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Scooter
        There are still budget options, they're just dwindling on consoles. Gaming on the PC is cheaper than ever with Humble Bundles and the Steam Summer Sale.
      bK
      • 1 Year Ago
      Forza Motorsports 5! Tracks and cars come separately in 100+ DLCs
      XT6Wagon
      • 1 Year Ago
      "We're looking at what we're going to add as DLC." The problem with the Forza Series in one simple sentence by the Dev. GT5 puked new content at users for FREE for atleast a year. Seems like its been forever since Forza stopped holding its hand out for more cash from the second you put the disk in the drive on launch day. So GT6 at $60 vs Forza 5 at $110 to just get the first year of the game as planned by the Devs today. Hmmm.
      Bill B.
      • 1 Year Ago
      I'm going to stick with playstation. I'll eventually update to PS4 eventually but I'll be happy with GT6 on the PS3 until then.
        iamzombie
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Bill B.
        I've never been a huge console gamer, but I always preferred xbox over Playstation... I preordered a 360 back in the day and still have it (after a few RRoD replacements)... I own collectors editions of Forza 3 and 4... and they will be the last ones I own. I will break down and buy a PS3 and GT6, sadly.
      Cheetahjab
      • 1 Year Ago
      Well at least turn 10 helped cement the fact I have no desire to buy a xone I have all the forzas and most as collectible editions. This is a joke.
        Brandon Taylor
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Cheetahjab
        I completely agree I was on the fence for buying a xbox one for forza but after hearing this theirs nothing that justify's buying either.
      Lachmund
      • 1 Year Ago
      oh....pretty sure you can have plenty of new cars and track...if you buy all the DLCs
      iamzombie
      • 1 Year Ago
      No Nürburgring, no sale. Seriously, I spent more time running the 'ring in Forza 3 and 4 than all the other tracks combined. I don't care if it's DLC or not, I'm tired of "sequels" having less to offer than the previous games in a series.
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