2013 Scion FR-SThe future of the Scion brand remains up in the air, with a report from a few weeks back that Toyota dealers with attached Scion franchises could drop the youth-minded brand without penalty, rarely a good sign. That report was contrasted, though, with a story out of Australia that claimed we'd see a four-door sedan based on the splendid FR-S's overseas sibling, the Toyota GT 86. Now, we're hearing that a revised xB, Scion's formerly lovable toaster, is on the way. What gives?

As for the new xB, the news comes from our friends at Edmunds, which cites an unnamed source, who claims a new box-on-wheels should arrive in 2015 as part of potentially larger push for the Japanese sub-brand. Aside from the original xB, which enjoys a strong cult following, and the FR-S, Scion has had fewer home runs than Prince Fielder's post-season.

"In the next two calendar years, we will have a blend of both upgrades to the products we have in the market and at least one new model," according to Scion's vice president, Doug Murtha, who spoke to Edmunds via phone.

As for the FR-S sedan, the source tells Edmunds that car could arrive in early 2016, provided Toyota can get Subaru to play ball. That date would (kind of) fit with Murtha's call of two calendar years. Until then, Murtha indicated that we can expect more special editions and new features to keep the current models fresh, which means we will be seeing more of this. Whatever happens, it seems like it's very much sink or swim for the team at Scion.


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      bonehead
      • 1 Year Ago
      Good, now hopefully they will mix together the things that made the ist gen xB "desirable" with the things that made the following xB better. Honestly if they can just get the mileage up to about 35-36hwy and keep everything else the same this would still be a killer deal of a car at $17k new. But what they need to do is - move the gages back in front of the driver - reduce the weight by 200lbs min. - increase the mileage by a lot. - would be nice to have more power but not really required for this class of car. - give it a 6speed auto instead of a 4speed! and please keep the manual option.
        Stephen Liu
        • 1 Year Ago
        @bonehead
        The xB's gauges were never truly in front of the driver anyway. They need to make something that's more akin to the original xB instead of a boxier Matrix (which is what the gen 2 was). Like, a boxier Ractis.
          bonehead
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Stephen Liu
          The gen2 was a much more liveable car. the gen1 was downright unsafe from a performance point, and crash test safety. Plus it never really got the mileage it claimed. The Gen2 is really a camry 4cylinder under the hood with a 4speed auto and no aerodynamics. thats why the mileage was so bad. But a newer smaller motor could make the same power and get way better mileage. this is what the car needs. The xB is really a fun alternative to a CUV rather than a super economy mobile.
        evanee80
        • 1 Year Ago
        @bonehead
        I can't abide by people who think the absence of power in a 1st gen xB makes it unsafe. I've been driving one for over 4 years, and never have been hit because I couldn't accelerate quickly enough. As for the mileage, I average 35mpg in combined driving, well over the EPA estimate. Toyota, please go back to using the Japanese-market bB as the basis for the Scion xB. Don't listen to these morons who think 25lb/hp is unsafe. If you attempt to sell another bloated piece of junk like the gen2 xB, I will just go buy a Soul for my next car.
        wtrmlnjuc
        • 1 Year Ago
        @bonehead
        The new XB lost its funk. It just looks boring compared to its competitors.
      jonnybimmer
      • 1 Year Ago
      "Aside from the original xB, which enjoys a strong cult following, and the FR-S, Scion has had fewer home runs than Prince Fielder's post-season." I'd argue that as much as it's a "meh" car to many of us, the tC seemed pretty successful. When it was introduced it was definitely an attractive choice with its Toyota mechanicals, low price point, and unusually high amount of standard features. I see far more tC's than any of its competition nowadays, so I'd think it sold well. But then they just let it age (with one cosmetic update), like the rest of the Scion line. And yeah, the 2nd gen xB was definitely a step in the wrong direction. I feel like if Toyota brought over another Kei car (Pixis or Porte?) they'd have a unique option for this sea of great subcompacts we have nowadays. Also, pleeeeaaase make the sedan FRS. This is pretty much the only chance for us to get a reasonably-priced compact RWD sedan and as a fan of E30's, AE72's and 510's, I'd be VERY interested in owning one.
      Zoom
      • 1 Year Ago
      I think Scion should expand the xB to include an AWD version and make it a wee bit smaller. They should also make an xB pick-up. That would be frickin' cool. I also think they should redesign the xD. Small cars are in. And the FR-S sedan. Yes please.
      flammablewater
      • 1 Year Ago
      Who wants a sedan FR-S? I want a hatchback!
      Gordon Chen
      • 1 Year Ago
      Toyota is giving up on Scion WAAAAY too easily. They just need to bring back good cheap cars that poor college students can afford and they're back in business. the iQ is a good example of this. why does it cost as much as a compact car when a Chevy spark is 12k?
        Chris
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Gordon Chen
        Bringing back "good cheap cars that poor college students can afford" seems like a bit of an oxymoron. When I was in college, very few students had brand new cars. Most I remember drove old pickup trucks and compact SUVs from the 80s and 90s. Hell, I even saw more Camaro Z-28s and Mustangs GTs around campus than affordable, funky hipster youth mobiles. The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think the tastes of younger buyers are all that much different from anyone else, and that whenever car companies try to appeal to younger buyers they end up attracting just as many older ones. The xB, RAV-4, CR-V, Cube, Juke, and even the Toyobaru twins are prime examples of what I am talking about. Most of the folks I see driving those vehicles appear to be in their 50s and 60s. Now, I'm not criticizing those vehicles, but just pointing out the irony I see on a near daily basis.
        Caprice Dates
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Gordon Chen
        Same thing I thought! I remember back in 04' when I got my first Scion xA it was barely north of 13K! I know we have to account for inflation and all but I still don't think a iQ should be 15k! You can get a lot more car from competitors for less and I think that is kicking Scion's butt and making them a disappointing brand.
      gork
      • 1 Year Ago
      xB hybrid with 35 / 40 rating, please.
        gork
        • 1 Year Ago
        @gork
        Oh, and switch out that rear torsion beam for independent suspension, please.
          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          @gork
          All that would do is add cost and complexity to a vehicle that truly doesn't need an IRS.
          gork
          • 1 Year Ago
          @gork
          ...says someone who doesn't actually own one, I'm guessing.
      Oblio
      • 1 Year Ago
      I look forward to a new 2015 xB. I love my 2012 xB; it is tall and spacious, comfortable, fun to drive, and economical. The easy-to-read, center-mounted gauge cluster is also a plus. The xB's only real downfall is the poor sounding audio system; despite good specs on paper, it just never sounds right - even with a factory subwoofer - and I don't want to mess with some after factory nonsense. I would consider updating to the next model if is an even better CUV - hopefully with some truly high-end sound system options, JBL or Bose or otherwise.
        dskchan
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Oblio
        I don't mind the center stack since I can only see half the gauge if they were in front of the steering wheel. How about quieter, better range (bigger tank, the under rear seat storage is worthless), and a big more width.
        Gordon Chen
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Oblio
        I actually dislike the center gauge...I think they should put the gauges back in the driver side where it belongs. Other than that, I have to say I sat in my friend's xB and was impressed with the interior. I also agree if they made it look more CUV, it'll definitely be appealing. The Kia Soul needs competition.
          TNR535-4.3
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Gordon Chen
          What Kia Soul competition? There's absolutely no logical comparison to the Scion xB, nor will there ever be. It's apples and oranges, pure and simple.
      Ducman69
      • 1 Year Ago
      Mercedes had that one box car concept a while back that had a rediculously low drag coefficient. A shame we can't get an aerodynamic box cars with efficient little turbodiesels.
      Dwight Bynum Jr.
      • 1 Year Ago
      I feel the xB lost a LOT of its appeal when it went to the current (larger) generation. Had they stuck with the original formula and made it off the current-gen Toyota bB (if you're not familiar, Google it) instead of making that bloated thing they now call an xB, they wouldn't have lost so much of that original charm. Just my 2ยข.
        bonehead
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dwight Bynum Jr.
        i agree the appeal was lost but the 2nd gen was a much better car. teh old one was too much of a tincan and way too underpowered. It was downright dangerous. The new one swung too far and was too heavy and what really hurt it was the 2008 change in MPG ratings standards which made it look was less efficient that it was. Hopefully they can split the difference and up the mileage but keep the cost way low
      bK
      • 1 Year Ago
      They should start selling all the cool kei cars they got in Japan. If only they can do something about the politics.
      R S
      • 1 Year Ago
      All Scion needs to do is put a better engine in the current Xb with mpg in the 30s. Make it a little smaller and call it a day. I think the number they sell has alot to do with the fact they dont advertise on TV(FRS only) until recently and they never offer 0 percent or rebates.
      Gator
      • 1 Year Ago
      Get rid of the XB period. Make more RWD cars, including some sedans and make the brand 30k or less.
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