The Cummins 5.0-liter turbocharged diesel V8 that Ram initially planned to use in its pickup trucks instead will find its way into the 2015 Nissan Titan as an option, Automobile reports. It will be the first time a non-Ram pickup truck will be available with a Cummins diesel engine.

The move comes after Chrysler decided to use a 3.0-liter V6 EcoDiesel engine designed by VM Motori (which is partially owned by Fiat) due to fuel economy concerns with the Cummins engine. Chrysler wanted its 2014 Ram 1500 trucks to achieve at least 26 miles per gallon. "Our simulations were showing 23 to 24 mpg [for the 5.0-liter engine]," says Mike Cairns, head of engineering at Ram.

Nissan had plans in 2008 to team with Cummins for a diesel engine for its Titan, when there were also plans for the second-generation Titan to share its platform with the Dodge Ram 1500, according to Automotive News, but that didn't pan out after Chrysler's bankruptcy in 2009.

Now that the dust is settling, let's put the pieces together. The 2014 Ram 1500 will get the EcoDiesel V6 as an option, making 240 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque; heavy-duty Rams can be equipped with the Cummins 6.7-liter diesel I6, which makes 350-385 hp and 660-850 lb-ft depending on the state of tune; and the 2015 Nissan Titan, a light-duty pick-up, will get the Cummins 5.0-liter V8 as an option, which makes roughly 300 hp and 500 lb-ft.

While the Nissan Titan currently poses no threat to Ram's truck operation - Nissan sold just 10,020 Titans this year through July while Ram sold 201,633 trucks during the same period - we like the idea of a light-duty pickup with a torque-rich diesel V8. Nissan's research shows that truck owners feel the same way, and 17 percent of them would consider switching brands if a light-duty truck was offered with a diesel V8, Automobile reports. That works out to 300,000 customers per year.



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      Dart
      • 1 Year Ago
      I think Dodge (I refuse to refer to it as Ram) is going the correct route. If they offered the 5.0 Cummins, it might cut too much into the sales of the Cummins heavy duty trucks, which have a hefty profit margin. The 5.0L makes enough torque for MOST people, and many consumers would defect back to 1/2 tons with smaller profits for Dodge. Going with the 3.0 VM keeps them in markedly different territory, with significantly different option prices. 400 ft/lbs is plenty of torque for any 1/2 ton series pickup. Even my Dakota V8 with 290 ft-lbs will pull a tandem axle car trailer with no problems (yes, mileage suffers). What I would REALLY like to see is the smaller I-4 CRD VM in a Dakota sized truck with 300 ft lbs and an 8 spd auto. Those of us that want really good mileage, and don't tow anything really heavy need some good trucks that are not 11/10s scale like all the trucks out there now. The Titan is the only "full size" truck that is not super-sized, but alas, I'm sure that will change with the redesign.
        omgcool
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dart
        For Ram's sake (not sure why you refuse to call them as they are), I hope you're right. I myself believe Ram is making a huge mistake, and I suspect most of it has to do with Fiat's influence. I have high doubts that anyone shopping for a pickup (even be it a half-ton) will opt for a little Italian diesel over a bigger, proven American diesel. Now, in the diesel half-ton class, Ram will have to fight its powerplant disadvantage with an even more innovative truck. I have faith that they can do this, but I'm still extremely disappointed in their decision. I bet the mileage difference between the 3.0 and the 5.0 will be negligible, and I can't see this as anything but a lost-opportunity. Good luck, Ram. I'm still rooting for ya.
          Clipper44
          • 1 Year Ago
          @omgcool
          Fiat is well-versed with diesel engines. Also, what power plant disadvantage is the new RAM at? Torque is way more than adequate, and fuel economy is the class leader by a wide margin. Nissan is offering too much engine for a 1/2 ton. Nobody who needs that much torque would ever consider a .5 ton anyways.
      JarrodL86
      • 1 Year Ago
      The Ram HD Cummins 6.7L is an I6, not a V8.
      Doug Nash
      • 1 Year Ago
      You know, I'm not getting this at all. I say this as a happy '05 Titan owner, in fact. The full-size truck segment is KILLING it these days. High sales, and extremely high margins. So, why in the world has Nissan been stepping all over itself with the Titan? It takes skill to tank a model with such a flourish.
      charles
      • 1 Year Ago
      Old news. Really old news.
      Jacel
      • 1 Year Ago
      Nissan should use the baby cummins motor in the next Nissan Frontier available in everything from regular cab 4x4 to crew cab nismo.
        ducton
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Jacel
        True true.......that would 'fix' the Frontiers horrible gasoline consumption weakness
      George
      • 1 Year Ago
      Fiat owns the Chrysler Corporation now. Ram is a subsidiary of Chrysler. VM Motori is majority owned by Fiat, which builds the 3.0L 6 cyl diesel going in the Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. The venture has nothing to do with fuel economy, rather sourcing engines from within the Fiat family. Cummins sees the writing on the wall. Now that Ram is not a wholehearted American company any longer, the Italian parent company will seek to continue to source diesel engines from VM Motori. Cummins needs another manufacturer especially since Fiat is buying out all of GM's shares in VM Motori. Nissan Titan sucks because it hasn't been updated in 10 years. It's a great truck, but in today's market you've got to revamp your designs in less time to keep up with Ford. In order to deliver a better truck, nissan was supposed to build the Titan alongside the Ram 1500. That deal fell apart when Fiat bought Chrysler. Honestly, pound for pound Nissan makes a much better product than Chrysler Corporation. The reliability is no contest. I will be taking a serious look at the 5.0L diesel V8 Titan.
        Eddy Svidgal
        • 1 Year Ago
        @George
        9 years to be exact, but yes, you are correct! I have owned a 2004 Titan since it was brand new and everything on it still works like new! Diesel Titan is my next ride!
      Ben Cetrone
      • 1 Year Ago
      F450/F550 have been available with Cummins motors for a long time, although they aren't anymore.
      Ryan
      • 1 Year Ago
      Nissan is going to sell that truck based on the Cummins alone.
      4gasem
      • 1 Year Ago
      Wait, is that what the truck is going to look like? If so, they better go back to the drawing board because NO amount of amazing engines in that truck will make it compete with what's out there from the others. JMO
      mitytitywhitey
      • 1 Year Ago
      300,000 'potential' customers if they price it right, which I don't think Ram has done with the VM. BMW makes their 3.0 diesel only a few $Kmore expensive than their 3.0 gasser. There is still a 4.4L V8 above both. Ram priced their 3.0 diesel above their 5.7 V8.... wrong! If Nissan wants sales they might want to dip into their profit margins a bit. Body-on-frame trucks are easy to build, so when they sell them for an average of $3X,000 they are making thousands per truck. Ram wanted to maintain profit margins, and I now think that they will not have good sales, and this will be extrapolated in the blogoshpere as meaning people don't want diesels in half-tons. The correct way to say it is: people would love half-ton diesels for the right price. If Nissan makes the 5.0 diesel $4-10K more than their V8, nobody will buy it.
        Card13
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mitytitywhitey
        Unfortunately, companies don't just arbitrarily price their diesel engines higher. They are priced higher because the engines cost more, particularly when they have to meet US emissions standards. Nissan will not be immune to this, so I wouldn't expect this truck to be priced any less than the Ram, especially with its larger and more powerful engine.
        stonehunte
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mitytitywhitey
        I understand diesels are more expensive to build, but $4,500 extra is pretty steep. There has to be a lot of profit in that. Gouging people for diesels is going to hurt their sales more than anything.
          mitytitywhitey
          • 1 Year Ago
          @stonehunte
          Not just their sales, but their reputation as well... I expect goofballs to post that diesels are unpopular in half-tons by the end of next year... all due to pricing.
        jtav2002
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mitytitywhitey
        If it's 4-10k more? That's an awfully big variance. Sure if it's 10k more no one will buy it. Especially since in an HD truck it's usually give or take a $7k option so it won't be that much for a half ton. Isn't it around 3k or so in the GC?
          mitytitywhitey
          • 1 Year Ago
          @jtav2002
          I'm expecting the Cummins to be more expensive than the VM. That 3k would be the max I would price it over the gasser if I were Nissan. Look, I'm all for diesels, but all I was saying is that Nissan needs to price it right. But the way things are going, I think it will be a $6000 option on the Titan.
        mitytitywhitey
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mitytitywhitey
        Card13, And I'm saying trucks have HUGE profit margins, and they could have cut into the profits a bit to help diesel sales. I'm a diesel fan too, so I don't really want to post the unpopular opinion, but it is my opinion that VM sales are going to be slow, and this will eventually be extrapolated into 'buyers don't want half-ton diesels.' I just think they could have done better to bring in an introductory diesel engine and gain some popularity. I hope I'm wrong, but you see a lot of people contemplating the base V6 over the VM in the Ram because the price disparity.
      Nathan
      • 1 Year Ago
      "It will be the first time a non-Ram pickup truck will be available with a Cummins diesel engine." Incorrect - the Foton Tunland uses the 2.8L ISF.
        onewayroll
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Nathan
        the what?
        imoore
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Nathan
        Nathan, it seems not many people have heard of the Foton Tunland. So, here goes, onewayroll: Foton Tunland is an intermediate sized pickup (sized somewhere between a Toyota Tacoma and the first-generation Toyota T100) designed and built in China and targeted for global markets. The Tunland features a 2.8L ISF diesel designed and built by Cummins and can be adapted for emissions regulations in any country, including the US. It's already on sale in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. In South Africa, it won Bakkies & Trucks Magazine's 2013 Bakkie of the Year Award, beating out the Mazda BT-50 (2nd place) and Great Wall Steed (3rd place). Sales are soft, but strong enough for Foton to make a bid for the US market in 2016, as soon as they can find a suitable North American site to build a plant. (I heard Tennessee was dropped from consideration because of the UAW's drive to unionize Volkswagen.) Good or bad, we'll be hearing a lot from Foton and especially from Cummins. With Chrysler, Foton and now Nissan, Cummins is set to become a major force in light-duty truck engines like it is in heavy-duty trucks. I'm waiting to see how Cat will respond.
          AcidTonic
          • 1 Year Ago
          @imoore
          Cat? Respond with what? Another school bus engine? I researched their offerings and was not impressed. They should stick to huge earth mover engines and stay away from smaller stuff.
      theautojunkie
      • 1 Year Ago
      .....serves Chrysler right. more bullshit globalization tearing apart the American economy .....
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