Porsche had a lot to crow about at the Frankfurt Motor Show last week. Not only did it debut the new 50 Years edition and Turbo versions of the 911 and the new hybrid and diesel versions of the Panamera, but while unveiling the final production version of the new 918 Spyder, it revealed the record lap it set around the Nürburgring.

The 918 Spyder's 6:57 lap time makes it the fastest street-legal production car ever to lap the Nordschleife and the first to break the seven-minute barrier. But the driver who clocked the time thinks it can go even faster.

That driver was Marc Lieb, who has won the Nürburgring 24-hour race four times, making him something of an expert on the subject. In speaking with Australia's Drive TV, Lieb suggested that they could get even more out of the car, as you can hear for yourself in the video below.

If McLaren manages to beat the 918's time with the new P1, we wouldn't be surprised to see Porsche and Lieb have another go at it. Word has it that they already managed a blistering 6:48 on racing slicks (the record lap having been set on street-legal rubber), which would put it right on pace with the time the barely-legal Radical SR8 LM set back in 2009.


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      Rob Gomes
      • 1 Year Ago
      The interesting bit with the 918 is its sheer boost capacity. In the 6'57", they were out of juice going into Dottinger Hohe. Porsche crunching numbers and fine-tuning their strategy definitely means there's another 10 seconds on the table -- 15 with an absolutely perfect lap. Ultimately, I expect the P1 to best the Porsche's time. At this point, I don't think McLaren has nailed their strategy down and is still experimenting with how best to leverage a completely different type of hybrid system over such a long lap. Have to give credit to Porsche though -- even if the P1 hits its 6'33" target, the Porsche will still have exceeded everyone's expectations given the significant weight disadvantage it has when compared to the LaFerrari and P1.
        Vision7
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Rob Gomes
        I'm really looking forward to the showdown between the 918 and the P1 but I really think the P1 will struggle to match the 918's time around the 'Ring. If you watched the 918's run, you would notice how much the car bottomed out around the notoriously bumpy track. The P1, in it's Track Mode sits far lower to the ground than the 918. If that's the case, the P1 runs the risk of essentially skating around the track and, as a result, it may not truly be able to circle the track as well as the Porsche. Perhaps it also brings some legitimacy to McLaren's inability to run a sub-7 minute lap time. Things are heating up around the 'Ring and I hope Ferrari will also bring their latest halo car to the contest.
          CarMaven
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Vision7
          @Sparrk That's a cliche, so passe. If the 918 had "forced induction" you would have lag, and not [not be able to] hear the beautiful wail of the 8 Cylinder engine. Leave it alone, as it is. By 2017 (maybe sooner), Porsche will have their 960 type vehicle to sell to you? If you can't wait that long, then by a Carrera GT or a Cayman if you're on a budget.
          CarMaven
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Vision7
          @Vison Yes, some folks feel the P1 is not optimized for the ring regarding ride height. Their Hybrid drive train [apparently] is not the best thought out either. More importantly: The 918 is just a brilliantly engineered car from the start, and it shows. I think McLaren and Ferrari, were more reactive (to Porsche's lead), and it shows. At least McLaren's doing a better job than Ferrari, as they have a car to be delivered in a few weeks. The LaFe is supposedly still trying to work the kinks out. We won't see an advanced prototype till sometime in 2014?
          sparrk
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Vision7
          Ferrari's time is irrelevant, we all know they bring modified cars to tracks, unless a third party brings a customer's car and sets a lap.
        sparrk
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Rob Gomes
        This chassis has an enormous potential, one can only imagine how fast the 960 would be, if they decide to build it on the same chassis as the 918, but with forced induction and no heavy electric motors and batteries.
      fast156GTA
      • 1 Year Ago
      Let the comparing flame wars begin! Nice but utterly pointless because of ever changing road and weather conditions on the Nordschleife.
        herrstreet
        • 1 Year Ago
        @fast156GTA
        That is true, it's likely getting late in the season. But still, they blew up the record.
      Aussie Aspie
      • 1 Year Ago
      Quicken up the 918's steering ratio a tad and you'd probably knock a few seconds off. While no double it would aid stability on straight sections of autobahn, at warp speed, it just seemed Lieb wasted a lot of time cranking that wheel around.
      Eggmania
      • 1 Year Ago
      howl do you manage to shave almost 5% off the existing production car lap record? what the hell is this car doing so well that others dont?
        Dennis V
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Eggmania
        I think this is due to the rear-wheel steering that the new 911 Porsches have. If you look at the lap video the car barely skids or under-steers. Also the lap time could have been improved, if you watch the lap video some of the exits and corners aren't pushed to the max.
          Brodz
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Dennis V
          In the video the driver says he found lot's of understeer.
        CarMaven
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Eggmania
        @Eggmania 940 ft/lbs of torque, 4WS, 4WD, Torque vectoring, 887 HP, and a nice wide, long wheel base chassis, with an extremely low center of Gravity.
      Porsche4life
      • 1 Year Ago
      I knew it man it seemed too easy to handle in the video
        Drakkon
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Porsche4life
        Wow, I totally disagree. He looked like he was sawing and sawing and sawing at the wheel.
      PatrickH
      • 1 Year Ago
      I'm a Porsche fan through and through, but there's no way the 918's time won't be beaten, significantly, by the McLaren P1.
        Feurig
        • 1 Year Ago
        @PatrickH
        I dunno... the car's power and delivery is based on track-timing. The 887 hp comes on off-the-corner launches. The P1 might beat the 918, but it won't be significant.
      gdinero
      • 1 Year Ago
      Two things were apparent from watching the video 1. In some sections, Lieb was on the edge of control on the some of the turns, meaning he took some of the sections and turns about as fast as he could handle it 2. There were some corners where he didn't nail the entry/exit and there was obvious room for improvement. I agree with him that he could do a faster time. The trick is to do it without wrecking in the interim.
      Dave D
      • 1 Year Ago
      The McLaren P1 is targeting a 6:33 run and I bet they'll make it so they'll probably take the crown for the near term ...until someone comes out with a 100% EV supercar. But ANY time under 7 minutes is awesome!!!
        CarMaven
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dave D
        Hey DaveD P1's 6:33 time goal is/was a hoax. Never true. McLaren has already acknowledged this. They were never targeting that, and won't come close to it; mind you get below 6:57--even. McLaren tried repeatedly several weeks ago, and didn't get below the 7 min remark (that's why you hear no announcement). And now the bad weather (and customer deliveries) are looming, so don't wait around expecting a new time anytime soon (if ever). The car reportedly has some problems (in comparison to the 918) in reaching that lofty mark, or even staying ahead of the 918, even if it did (which I'm not expecting anytime soon, if at all). FWIW
      • 1 Year Ago
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      herrstreet
      • 1 Year Ago
      What about that all conquering, super amazing McLaren? Oh, yeah... it's still on the 'Ring
      Joey Franklin
      • 1 Year Ago
      The Porsche is amazing, the P1 is beautiful also and should be nearly as quick or quicker around the Ring. The LaFerrari I don't care for aesthetically. The 918 is also available in a special edition with the Martini livery and cheaper which gives it the win for me although its just a dream. I'll be more than happy when I get a 2014 Cayman S in a few years.
        Joey Franklin
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Joey Franklin
        Special edition is called the Weissach package and also has Salzburg livery available, Martini with the garnet red interior looks awesome to me.
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