Take a good look at the picture (and the high-res image gallery) of the Alfa Romeo 2uettottanta concept by Pininfarina, because the production Spider that will be a joint development with the coming Mazda MX-5 Miata isn't expected to look anything like it. According to a report in Autocar, designers at Fiat's Centro Stile couldn't figure out how to translate the concept to a production car.

We're being told that the new Alfa roadster will be styled to match the modernity of the brand's lineup, accented by "historic design themes," and that its exterior is near final approval. Apparently, the traditional Alfa grille will be flanked by "lower intake whiskers" and headlights that are nothing like those on the 4C. To be built alongside the Miata in Japan, it will share certain platform hardpoints like the front bulkhead and engine compartment, but won't have any body panels in common with the Mazda.

Only one engine is expected to be slotted in that bay: the 1.4-liter MultiAir with 168 horsepower. Those ponies will be charged with moving a roadster said to come in at no more than 2,420 pounds, with shifting performed by a six-speed dual-clutch transmission. If that information is correct, that would give it one more horsepower and 20 or more pounds less weight than the current manual-transmission Miata Sport. Comparing like-for-kind-of-like, it would have 10 more hp and be at least 122 pounds lighter than the current automatic-equipped Miata Sport.


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      Teleny411
      • 1 Year Ago
      MT please.
      sinistro79
      • 1 Year Ago
      The picture above is a Pininfarina design and is not at all what the next Spider will look like since Alfa does not own the rights to the design. I think that's a mistake because the Duettotanta concept is beautiful...and much better looking than the 4C which the next Spider will share design cues with. Don't get me wrong, the Spider will still look good, just not as good as the pictures here are suggesting.
        Teleny411
        • 1 Year Ago
        @sinistro79
        I agree. They couldn't figure out how to build the concept: right.
      jfrantzreb
      • 1 Year Ago
      Agree with all the comments about 6 speed dual clutch as the only transmission option. I've been waiting for any rear wheel Alfa with a stick since (regrettably) selling my 87' Milano Verde. REALLY disappointed.
      ferps
      • 1 Year Ago
      Just make it look like this and make the price reasonable. In a world of $90k Boxsters, you won't be able to build enough of them.
      Ryan
      • 1 Year Ago
      They can't give this car too much power, then it would challenge and eclipse the 4C.
      Avinash Machado
      • 1 Year Ago
      Manuals are getting extinct sadly.
      ammca66564
      • 1 Year Ago
      I don't go for Japanese cars as a rule. But give me Japanese built Alfa - RIGHT NOW. A little light car - it'd be the perfect antidote to the enlargement and over-powering of so many of what we used to call sports cars. Sweet.
      John Johnson
      • 1 Year Ago
      You want a Miata competitor? Offer it with a manual, or you will fail.
        FuelToTheFire
        • 1 Year Ago
        @John Johnson
        Why not just offer it with the choice of an automatic and a dual clutch? An automatic for most people, a dual clutch for those who are looking for performance.
          fabulous71
          • 1 Year Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          What you meant to say: A dual clutch is only a more glorified automatic transmission. They should offer it with both the dual clutch automatic (which a dual clutch is) or a true manual transmission with accompanying clutch pedal.
      • 1 Year Ago
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        Rob Gomes
        • 1 Year Ago
        It's basically the Fiat 500 Abarth's engine. Although it'll only have 1HP on the current Mazda MX-5, more importantly is it'll have nearly another 30lb-ft of torque. 0-60 should be somewhere around 6.5 seconds (maybe a hair quicker), but more importantly is between the torque and the tires presumably being 205 or 215 section widths, this car will be TRIVIAL to drift. It's a simple, light, RWD roadster with a waggily tail that is also very pretty. It'll sell damn well.
          oRenj9
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Rob Gomes
          Umm, drifting a Miata is ******* far from trivial. I have a gutted NB (I mean, no AC, PS, carpet, passenger seat) with basically every NA bolt on you can get. It has no problem spinning the rear tires, but it is not easy to drift. The damn thing is just too balanced; outside of doing something stupid, the car will maintain composure.
          PatrickH
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Rob Gomes
          Don't forget that the Miata is going to weigh around 200lbs less.
        Txdesign
        • 1 Year Ago
        Don't agree. A light, RWD sports car with razor sharp handling that runs 0-60 in the mid 6 sec range at a good price is what the market has been waiting for. It's not a Boxster competitor.
        Cayman
        • 1 Year Ago
        Seems like you had 3 great excuses. Not to mention it'll keep costs down and efficiency up.
      • 1 Year Ago
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      FuelToTheFire
      • 1 Year Ago
      I believe that Alfa romeo should make two different Spiders. The first one, called the Spider Junior, should be around $50 k, to compete with the Cayman, it should be a reskinned Chrysler 200C convertible with minor exterior changes and AWD. Engine should be an option of the Pentastar or the Hemi V8 The second should be called the Spider Plus, around $100 k, to compete with the Mercedes SL. It should be a reskinned Challenger, but a convertible, with minor exterior changes. Engine can be a Hemi or the Maserati 4.7 V8.
        PatrickH
        • 1 Year Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        I feel like you have absolutely no knowledge about how a car is built and how you can't throw a HEMI V8 under the hood of a vehicle with an engine bay designed for a transversely mounted V6. facepalm x infinity
          • 1 Year Ago
          @PatrickH
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        FuelToTheFire
        • 1 Year Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        They should also make an $80 k Chrysler TC by Maserati on the same platform as the Spider Junior, with minor cosmetic changes.
        Shiftright
        • 1 Year Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Are you 12 or just trolling?
      Nick Allain
      • 1 Year Ago
      I like the idea of a Miata competitor with a dual clutch but that is not the right engine for this car. Given that it's an Alfa, the dual clutch will probably explode the moment you try to add more power to it.
        bonehead
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Nick Allain
        "the production Spider that will be a joint development with the coming Mazda MX-5 Miata" it is basically a miata with an alpha romeo skin. I hope these specs are off however cause i was anticipating a better power to weight ratio in the next miata and had read much about extreme light weight for the next miata. Not that this is heavy but next miata was romored to be a few hundred lighter than the current gen.
          Nick Allain
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bonehead
          If I remember correctly, they're each pursuing their own powertrain options. An MX-5 without a manual would be suicide.
          bonehead
          • 1 Year Ago
          @bonehead
          Thank God, the miata must have a manual and hopefully more hp than 168. I heard that they planned to make a turbo mazda speed from the get go this time. Lets hope they do and i can get a miata with well north of 200hp. drool
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