Infiniti President Johan de Nysschen has postponed plans for an electric vehicle in order to focus on high-volume models. Automotive News reports de Nysschen is attempting to be realistic about Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn's goal of nearly tripling Infiniti global sales from 170,000 units last year to 500,000 by March 31, 2017, saying, "500,000 cars by 2017 is an inordinately ambitious challenge." An electric vehicle would likely sell in rather small numbers.

Still, the executive is already making moves to improve Infiniti sales worldwide with new production in both China and England. Meanwhile, the company plans to unveil a new volume compact sedan set to bow in 2015. Meanwhile, de Nysschen is also working on two new models above the company's current M line. Those will borrow styling cues from machines like the Essence Concept, but will be far less exotic, tilting more toward high-performance luxury than true sports car.

Both a sedan and coupe variant will ride on the same high-end platform, and AN quotes de Nysschen as saying the four door will be "more Porsche Panamera-like than BMW 7 Series-like."



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      Spec
      • 1 Year Ago
      I called it. The Infiniti LE was just crap compared to the Model S, the Cadillac ELR, and the i3. You can't build a luxury car on the exact same Leaf platform and expect it to sell. The 24KWH battery of the Leaf is fine for a family economy car. It does not fly in the current luxury EV market.
        Sasparilla Fizz
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Spec
        You were right Spec, frankly I'm glad Nissan set it aside - the LE was being set up to be a serious market failure.
      2 wheeled menace
      • 1 Year Ago
      That's a bummer. All the cards seem to be played well for Tesla. And while i like Tesla, it's kind of sad that we don't have other options in that segment.
        Sasparilla Fizz
        • 1 Year Ago
        @2 wheeled menace
        Frankly I'm glad they did. The Infiniti was not looking like it was going to be a great high end EV, more like a high end Leaf (talk was no TMS still, not significantly expanded range and probably the same capacity loosing chemistry on the pack as the Leaf). It'd be better if Nissan came back at it fresh with something that could compete with the Tesla S, rather than have an Infiniti that can't compete in its market and is a failure.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sasparilla Fizz
          'Mitsubishi also have a similar battery with 28kwh with range of 200 miles coming 2015.' And what is your source for this? How is it supposed to achieve this remarkable level of efficiency?
          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sasparilla Fizz
          Nissan never offically release a range but give the 24kwh battery pack which would have been the new NMC that is currently in testing. The new NMC battery double the range so you would get around 200 miles but in real world around 150 miles. Mitsubishi also have a similar battery with 28kwh with range of 200 miles coming 2015. http://www.hybridcars.com/nissan-leaf-get-new-battery-pack-51774/ I told you in several post stop posting things that are misleading, the battery pack are affect in extreme hot climate and not hot climates and less than 1% was affected, what battery losing chemistry are you talking about? when a driver puts 78, 000 miles on his leaf and I have shown you before other cars that have high mileage without loosing capacity. http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/03/one-nissan-leaf-driver-puts-on-78-000-miles-in-two-years/ Nissan can compete with telsa, so you need to get your facts straight, what nissan is aware of is that other manufacture are working on EV (like BMW and Audi) and the EV tech is developing very fast, that are going to have the range of telsa and better battery tech, and they donot want to release something this early and get over shadow. In infiniti boss said it to another journalist.
          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sasparilla Fizz
          mitsubishi present the car at geneva. how by a new NMC battery. http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/publish/pressrelease_en/motorshow/2013/news/detail0873.html
          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sasparilla Fizz
          Nissan never offically release a range but give the 24kwh battery pack which would have been the new NMC that is currently in testing. The new NMC battery double the range so you would get around 200 miles but in real world around 150 miles. Mitsubishi also have a similar battery with 28kwh with range of 200 miles coming 2015. http://www.hybridcars.com/nissan-leaf-get-new-battery-pack-51774/ I told you in several post stop posting things that are misleading, the battery pack are affect in extreme hot climate and not hot climates and less than 1% was affected, what battery losing chemistry are you talking about? when a driver puts 78, 000 miles on his leaf and I have shown you before other cars that have high mileage without loosing capacity. http://green.autoblog.com/2013/06/03/one-nissan-leaf-driver-puts-on-78-000-miles-in-two-years/ Nissan can compete with telsa, so you need to get your facts straight, what nissan is aware of is that other manufacture are working on EV (like BMW and Audi) and the EV tech is developing very fast, that are going to have the range of telsa and better battery tech, and they donot want to release something this early and get over shadow. In infiniti boss said it to another journalist.
          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Sasparilla Fizz
          nissan will have an NMC battery 2015 too, for a new leaf, range unknown. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/11/nissan-nmc-20091129.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/02/nissan_super_battery/
      SublimeKnight
      • 1 Year Ago
      Nissan needs to take the LE and Nissan-ize it. It had better looks and better aerodynamics (read more HWY range) than the current LEAF. Have Infiniti start on a new EV based on the M series sedan. Design it to have 200+ kW of performance and utilize 2 or 3 LEAF sized packs (2 next gen LEAF packs are probably about 70kWh).
      zizixx89
      • 1 Year Ago
      So this four coupe they are making is gonna be the Q80?? And the other coupe is gonna be the Q90??
      GoodCheer
      • 1 Year Ago
      Translation: "Infinity would be unambiguously going head-to-head with Tesla (whereas the Leaf for instance is not), and we would get our clocks cleaned and loose a ton of development money, so why bother?"
        Bobby Robinson
        • 1 Year Ago
        @GoodCheer
        I was just about to post the same thing. Tesla might possibly make many large automakers reconsider getting it to the "practical" electric car business.
        pavsterrocks
        • 1 Year Ago
        @GoodCheer
        No, actually Tesla's sales projections are 21,000 cars PER YEAR, so it's a drop in the bucket for the 500k goal for Infiniti if it decided to pursuit the same market.
          paulwesterberg
          • 1 Year Ago
          @pavsterrocks
          Even if Tesla doubles production to 50k units per year how is Nissan going to move a significant number of units when they are competing against Consumer Reports top ranked vehicle of all time, Motor Trend's only unanimous Car Of The Year? Those are some big tires to fill while risking low sales volumes and being forced to severely discount your vehicles.
        Spec
        • 1 Year Ago
        @GoodCheer
        They put it on ice because they knew it would flop against the Model S, i3, and Cadillac ELR.
        throwback
        • 1 Year Ago
        @GoodCheer
        tesla may have been a factor, but clearly he is trying to meet Ghosn goal of 500K Infinitis per year. An EV infiniti at best would contribute 10K units? Not worth the investment for the projected sales volume. It's the same reason he killed (or delayed) their hybrid sports car.
        Airton Azevedo
        • 1 Year Ago
        @GoodCheer
        Well said.
      RGT881
      • 1 Year Ago
      Infiniti has no business making EVs, yes hybrids are fine, but that's the line. For a luxury brand to do an EV is a step backwards for its image, whatever Tesla fanboys (who are just as annoying as Apple fanboys) will say notwithstanding.
      SublimeKnight
      • 1 Year Ago
      Tesla has seriously upped the bar for Luxury EVs with its supercharger network. When this Infiniti was supposed to come out, Tesla has plans to make 80%+ of the nation drivable in the $70k model S... and the $40k Gen3 will be close to production by then. That doesn't leave much market space for a far less capable Infiniti when it comes to pricing.
        RGT881
        • 1 Year Ago
        @SublimeKnight
        Tesla whilst successful does not operate under same rules as the rest of the automotive industry as government is throwing every single incentive at it so it can succeed and not look idiotic as Fisker.
      paulwesterberg
      • 1 Year Ago
      Between the Model S, Cadillac Converj, BMW i3 the luxury space is getting too crowded for a vehicle with a battery pack as small as the Leaf's.
      IBx27
      • 1 Year Ago
      Can't wait to test drive a Q55, or 70... Q30? Wait, which one is it now?
        Mr White
        • 1 Year Ago
        @IBx27
        Or Test Drive a QX70xS....Right? That's the All Wheel drive sports version. ROFL!
          IBx27
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Mr White
          I'm waiting for the Q50xS-IPL-LPG.
        MTN RANGER
        • 1 Year Ago
        @IBx27
        Pretty ridiculous to have all your cars starting with Q. Horrible model name changes. (I know it's not really the case, but it seems that way).
      EZEE
      • 1 Year Ago
      That d*ck!
      Marco Polo
      • 1 Year Ago
      As Dave Martin pointed out, the failure of the Renault Zoe, maybe loosening Carlos Ghosn's influence. Although the Leaf may be considered a huge success to ABG readers, the truth remains that less than 60,000 units have been sold over 30 months. ( Half of those units were sold in Japan) Nissan- Renault has an enormous investment in the Leaf. For Carlos Ghosn and Renault-Nissan the Leaf and the EV programme was a very courageous gamble. The little Leaf has gained an army of loyal fans, quite deservedly. It's a great little EV. However, Auto-makers are first and foremost businesses. There's only so long any company can keep investing in unprofitable models before the shareholders start to complain. Carlos Ghosn, got lucky in the last French elections with a government elected sympathetic EV development. Toyota's hybrids, especially Lexus hybrids, make money for Toyota. Would an all electric Infinity make money for Nissan ? More importantly, would an Infiniti EV sell in Japan and other Asian markets. The market research conducted by Nissan suggests that an Infiniti EV would struggle to find a market. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, and this is not the beginning of a campaign to destabilise Carlos Ghosn as CEO of the Alliance. But even a company with so many highly profitable conventional models, has a limit to indulging a CEO's unprofitable crusade.
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Marco Polo
        [blocked]
          Dave
          • 1 Year Ago
          "Nor is Japan the most expensive place in the world to manufacture ! " The yen has been very high for the last several years. This may have been the only thing Giza had right.
          j
          • 1 Year Ago
          Don't make the mistake of complaining to a man in love about the object of his affection.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @ DF/Gisa, Damn, if you support someone, that's usually the kiss of death ! But, as usual you've confused even yourself ! On the one hand you say Zoe is successful, and on the other it's failed because you weren't the designer ! Leaf doesn't make a profit on each vehicle, even Carlos Ghosen admits that. Even the US version is heavily subsidised by Nissan, ( and supported by US tax credits). Nor is Japan the most expensive place in the world to manufacture ! You live in a world of fantasy, when you design or help produce anything of any value, tell me about it, in the meantime sit down and use your internet to learn a little about industrial economics.
        DaveMart
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Marco Polo
        Unfortunately EV sales in Japan are also tanking. Very unfairly, they seem to have taken blame as they are associated in people's mind with the failures of TEPCO at Fukushima. What I can't understand is why PHEVs are not selling better. Perhaps it is a dearth of models, and VW will crack it with their plan to release several with something approaching Volt-like EV range. Outside the US, it seems that electric cars are going to need a major push from somewhere, whether that be from a battery with maybe twice present capacities or so, whilst at least holding cost, or from fuel cells, or maybe a sudden oil price shock. It is going to be a tough gestation for electric vehicles, but the positive news is that they have a toehold now, and certainly in buses are likely to strengthen their hold, which gives them a base to expand from.
          JakeY
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          "Unfortunately EV sales in Japan are also tanking." It's only "tanking" if you can only look short term. The longer trend is that there was a spike when the 2013 model launched and then it returned to the numbers before the launch. That's hardly tanking. http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-hits-a-sales-stumbling-block-in-japan/ http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-stall-in-japan-as-us-becomes-leafs-overall-sales-leader/
          Spec
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          Neither PHEVs nor pure EVs are selling well because both have a hard time competing against a well designed hybrid. But I think EVs may start winning the battle between PHEVs and EVs for 2 reasons: 1) The Tesla Model S has made pure EVs cool. 2) It is cheaper & easier to throw in a few more batteries into a pure EV than it is to shoe-horn in an entire ICE power-train and the hybrid transmission system. There will be market for both, but as battery prices drop and people become more comfortable with EVs, I suspect the pure EV will start to dominate.
          JakeY
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          @Marco Polo I would agree if what's posted is "fact", but it isn't. Please point out where my analysis of Japanese Leaf sales is wrong (compared to his). Saying the Zoe is a failure just looking at the first quarter of sales (and ignoring market conditions) is laughable. The Model S was a failure too by that metric, but look where it is now.
          DaveMart
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          JakeY: Sales just 'dropping back' in Japan to early levels is the same thing as tanking, since this is way below the level at which electric cars even start to be viable for the companies concerned. That is why Mitsubishi has switched emphasis to PHEV from BEV, and why Toyota are now to produce the IQ electric in trivial numbers only. Renault/Nissan were already counting on having to subsidise EVs heavily, but their base figures were on an initial level in the tens of thousands annually, not the very low figures they are actually getting outside of Japan. You have a very strange idea of the way corporations work if you don't think that the accountants are showing the boards that this is a disaster area. The VW group has shown itself to be commercially astute in not producing EVs until the technology matures, although those emotionally committed to EVs don't like it. They are due to begin production of the E-Up in September, but it would now not surprise me at all if they don't go into production. There is not much point in splitting the market for a few hundred small BEV cars a month with Renault and the Zoe. Sales of a fraction of what were projected, and on which projections factories were built and production started, is a financial black hole and a disaster area. Fan-dancing does not change that.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          @ JakeY, Jake, perhaps we are really talking about different things. My concern is not that Leaf , Zoe will not sell, but that they need to be real "hit's" to justify the huge development costs. Even a modest success, will become inadequate if Renault-Nissan start to suffer a down turn in conventional vehicles. Eagerly congratulating Leaf on selling a few hundred more units each month, is no substitute for the ten of thousands promised. At the moment, all we can do is hope Zoe starts to become a runaway success, but I fear Dave mart's pessimism is more realistic.
          Marco Polo
          • 1 Year Ago
          @DaveMart
          @ Spec and JakeY Sometimes you must separate what you want to be true, from what is true. Dave Martin is right in his pessimistic analysis. The failure of the Zoe must be of serious concern for Renault. Tesla, although a great accomplishment, is very much an American phenomenon. No matter how inspiring, Tesla only manufactures and sell 20,000 high priced saloons annually . . Great for Tesla, but still not the sort of volume Renault-Nissan needs. Renault-Nissan need sales figure in the realm of Toyota's Prius to justify Ghosn's dream. Ghosn promised his shareholders sales targets that have not been met. In addition the size of the total investment in EV's buy Renault-Nissan has become a figure of dispute. Carlos Ghosn says that 4.4 billion euro's have been invested in developing the Leaf, with additional expenditure of $2.6 written off to establish the US market. The costs have been so integrated throughout the groups accounts, that it's difficult to make a true assessment. Ghosn estimates the Renault-Nissan electrification programme has cost just over $9 billion,(not including government subsidies), and represents a capital investment with assets offsetting expenses. His critic's argue that the programme has cost more than $16.4 billion, with no real assets created, nor a single profitable model. I admire Garlos Ghosn courage and vision, and I applaud his tenacity, but there comes a time for impartial analysis. Dave Martin, thinks that only a a battery with twice present capacities or maybe a sudden oil price shock, will come to the rescue. Since fossil fuel energy is currently undergoing a renaissance, the best hope seems a vastly improved battery (ESD). Ghosn speculates that the PRC market will provide Nissan with his needed 500,000 sales , but his critics say that's wishful thinking. The main problem in Europe is the scepticism of the general public towards 'green technology' . Unlike the US, Japan or Australia, where any new technology is quick to catch on with the affluent middle class, Europeans are far more conservative with consumer spending. Lack of education and misconceptions by the general public, (especially in the UK ) about EVs is staggering. The image of an educated Europe, where Green Politics are influential is created by proportional representative electoral system distortions. Due to hung legislatures, requiring coalitions, minor parties have been able to force colossal over-investment in hopelessly inefficient and costly failed energy policies So far, as group, Renault-Nissan delivered sufficiently high dividends to forestall any shareholder revolt . However, the years ahead look less certain. It's true that Renault prudently used it's wind falls from subsidiaries and Nissan to retire debt, and Ghosn has worked hard at attracting partners to share the burden of future development, but he really needs increased sales to justify his policies. I wish him the best of luck.
      Carguy
      • 1 Year Ago
      Nissan and GM made the mistake of pushing their cars out as Nissan's and Chevy's instead of Infiniti and Cadillac. Tesla is proving that people opting for EV's are not just doing it to save gas and money. Early adopters of EV's are not moving up from Geo Metro's and Yaris' they are trading in BMW, Porsche's, MB's etc. A few trim bits added to the top of the line Volt and it would have been a much easier sell.
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