It's going to be a while before we've figured out our brave new marijuana-approved world. The next lesson comes courtesy of the Michigan Supreme Court, which has reportedly ruled that it isn't necessarily against the law for a medical marijuana user to drive with the drug in their system. The ruling comes after motorist Rodney Koon was busted for doing 83 miles per hour in a 55-mph zone and tested positive for "internal possession of marijuana."

Koon said it had been at least six hours since he "used his medicine," and the blood test registered 10 nanograms per milliliter of the active ingredient in marijuana, THC. The 86th District Court in Grand Traverse County, MI – the county where Koon was caught – ruled that it took five times that amount to declare a person stoned.

But that was the ruling of a single court. The problem for the Michigan Supreme Court justices was that the state of Michigan hasn't explicitly identified the threshold for being under the influence marijuana, the same way it usually takes a blood-alcohol level of at least .08 to be considered under the influence of alcohol, and charged with driving while intoxicated. The vagaries pitted the state's Zero Tolerance policy against the protections accorded by Michigan's Medical Marijuana Act, and the Zero Tolerance policy lost. We imagine there'll be a rematch – yet another one – soon enough.


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      always_busy
      • 1 Year Ago
      Well, he would of probably got popped anyway at that speed regardless of how impaired he may or may not have been..
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        Chris
        • 1 Year Ago
        Deadly drug? I've yet to hear of anyone dying from marijuana use, and yet I hear of people dying as a result of alcohol use all of the time. I like to drink, but can also think of many ways in which alcohol kills. Would you care to enlighten me as to how marijuana kills? And no, I am no communist, or even a liberal for that matter.
        spa2nky1
        • 1 Year Ago
        Marihuana killed my father, and raped my mother!
        MotionDesigner
        • 1 Year Ago
        If we advocate the medical use of marijuana, we are communists? That right there pretty much tells us all about you.
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          @MotionDesigner
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          MotionDesigner
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          @MotionDesigner
          paddleshifterz: Do you think every single person who smokes marijuana now has read that book and therefore their intent is to be a communist by smoking marijuana? I don't even smoke marijuana nor do I advocate it especially when driving, but your comments are over the top and rather hilarious in its paranoia.
        rollie
        • 1 Year Ago
        I\'m no damn communist. I\'m a senior citizen who has seen pot kill people, and lead to more serious drugs. I watched a middle aged mother bury her son because of pot. THAT doesn\'t make me a communist you f.tn\' jerk!
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          @rollie
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          always_busy
          • 1 Year Ago
          @rollie
          Marijuana doesn't kill you. This and the so called "Evils" of Marijuana are a myth the Government has been telling us for years. In fact, I find it ironic that the plant is illegal and yet Big Pharma can market and sell a Marijuana pill with synthetic THC. They are also lobbying to get the Government to approve a pill with natural THC. Continue to believe the Government, they know what's best.
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          @rollie
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          Shiftright
          • 1 Year Ago
          @rollie
          Pot laced with cyanide maybe or followed by a shotgun wound, anvil on the head, etc
          always_busy
          • 1 Year Ago
          @rollie
          Wow. You mixed "liberal" with "big pharm" and "communist!" That's quit an accomplishment. You must be a conservative, am I right? Also, your attempt to attack me personally is known as an "ad hominem" attack. Try thinking for yourself instead of believing the talking points that some would have you believe.
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          @rollie
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          captnclintock
          • 1 Year Ago
          @rollie
          paddleshifterz, you've cited a source that is neo-conservative leaning. Also, it don't find "20,000" from here: https://familycouncil.org/?p=6506. Post a link to the group that actually collected that statistic. Any way you look at it, more people die from alcohol use. Also, many people die from using FDA-approved drugs, should we ban those too? Please keep advocating morality while giving people who drink alcohol a pass, and keep inquiring about people's private lives. Because that's what being conservative is all about (/sarcasm in case any idiot doesn't notice)
        libertedelacroix
        • 1 Year Ago
        The best part is where he calls Fox News liberal lol.
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          @libertedelacroix
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          Jefe Grande
          • 1 Year Ago
          @libertedelacroix
          He's clearly joking around to get a rise out of idiots on here.
          always_busy
          • 1 Year Ago
          @libertedelacroix
          Oh, I was correct. You are a conservative!
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          always_busy
          • 1 Year Ago
          Look, I can do it too! In a recent report, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), part of the Federal government's National Institutes of Health (NIH), stated that marijuana "inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines." From: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51148243/ns/business-press_releases/t/federal-government-reports-marijuana-effective-combatting-certain-cancers-reports-adsi/#.UaFfktiwWeQ And this: Cristina Sanchez, a young biologist at Complutense University in Madrid, was studying cell metabolism when she noticed something peculiar. She had been screening brain cancer cells because they grow faster than normal cell lines and thus are useful for research purposes. But the cancer cells died each time they were exposed to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the principal psychoactive ingredient of marijuana. Instead of gaining insight into how cells function, Sanchez had stumbled upon the anti-cancer properties of THC. In 1998, she reported in a European biochemistry journal that THC “induces apoptosis [cell death] in C6 glioma cells,” an aggressive form of brain cancer. Subsequent peer-reviewed studies in several countries would show that THC and other marijuana-derived compounds, known as “cannabinoids,” are effective not only for cancer-symptom management (nausea, pain, loss of appetite, fatigue), they also confer a direct antitumoral effect. From: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/06/marijuana-fights-cancer-and-helps-manage-side-effects-researchers-find.html So basically, most people are able to think for themselves and fortunately these are the same people that want Marijuana legalized and for some of the same reasons I just mentioned. While I have no problem and enjoy debating those with different ideologies, you sir are living in the past.
        DRO
        • 1 Year Ago
        you need to chill bro, smoke a j my ni@@a
        FuelToTheFire
        • 1 Year Ago
        Marijuana was found in several studies to be safer than alcohol. Your sources are iffy at best. There is absolutely NO reason to continue marijuana prohibition. And before you call me a "communist", how would you like to know that I'm a LIBERTARIAN? I'm the polar opposite of a communist. I support freedom and limited government in BOTH social and fiscal aspects. I despise liberals for their anti-business and trade policies as well as their insistence on excessive taxation, as well as their habit of putting the private sector under government control. And I despise conservatives like YOU for forcing everyone to live by their moral values (abortion, religion, and gays), for continuing to support the military industrial complex as well as support unnecessary wars, and continuing to support the Drug War and marijuana prohibition.
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          always_busy
          • 1 Year Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          I would thumbs up both your comments more than once if I could.
        Ducman69
        • 1 Year Ago
        Uhm, I'm a Republican, and I recognize that not only is marijuana highly effective for treating chronic pain, but when consumed from a bong which helps filter out a lot of the tar, has less side effects and long-term health issues than many legal alternatives and is FAR more cost effective since it can literally be grown in someone's backyard with nothing more than sunshine and a little water. This is one of the reasons I believe that the pharmaceutical industry lobbies so hard to eliminate medical marijuana. Hemp is also a fantastic crop, and at two points in our history was even mandatory for farmers to grow due to its overall utility to society.
          FuelToTheFire
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          @Ducman69
          As a registered Republican myself (used to vote for them before they went off the deep end) , it's nice to see a reasonable conservative who can use reason and logic to make a point.
        Jarda
        • 1 Year Ago
        we be trollin! :P
        Shiftright
        • 1 Year Ago
        "Marijuana has NO medical uses whatsoever." Firstly, giant ignorance fail. Are you a doctor or scientist with reams of data to back that up? What else you got? Jesus rode a dinosaur? The Moon landing was faked? Secondly, "Oh Noes! Despicable Drug!", says the fused butthole extreme conservative. Really? I'm not and have never been a user, but I know there are dozens of so called 'legal' drugs that cause way more harm, short and long term than marijuana. Maybe you need to take a hit and lighten up. No one has ever died from trying marijuana. Just like no one has ever died from being misinformed and closed minded, perhaps unfortunately.
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          @Shiftright
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        always_busy
        • 1 Year Ago
        I've smoked weed and am still alive..
        Peter Middleton
        • 1 Year Ago
        are you real dumb are really trolly?
        Dayv
        • 1 Year Ago
        Obvious troll is obvious.
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        ngiotta
        • 1 Year Ago
        If you drink any kind of alcohol, you're a hypocrite. There's nothing wrong with a little grass. Grow up.
        Chris
        • 1 Year Ago
        What are you talking about? What is arguably the most liberal state in the country, California, voted down the legalization of recreational marijuana use a few years ago, and no I am not a liberal, just calling it like it is. People talk about weed like it is such a danger, and refer to it as the "gateway drug", and yet I have never seen someone try to start a fight, or say "hey let's do some coke" after smoking a little herb. I have run into plenty of situations like that during a night of drinking however.
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        always_busy
        • 1 Year Ago
        This I take offense to. I have known more than one cancer patient and they all suffer horribly, from the cancer and the so called treatment. I pray that you never get cancer and I would tell you that you should be ashamed but I don't think you would care as your psycho screed is all that matters. This is my last comment as continuing to respond to you is simply a lost cause and you simply are not worth any more of my time.
        captnclintock
        • 1 Year Ago
        Read material from the American Cancer society before stating nonsense. "There are some reasons to think that marijuana smoking might increase lung cancer risk. Many of the cancer-causing substances in tobacco are also found in marijuana. Marijuana contains more tar than cigarettes. (Tar is the sticky, solid material that remains after burning, which is thought to contain most of the harmful substances in smoke.) Marijuana cigarettes (joints) are typically smoked all the way to the end, where tar content is the highest. Marijuana is also inhaled very deeply and the smoke is held in the lungs for a long time. And because marijuana is an illegal substance, it is not possible to control what other substances it might contain. But those who use marijuana tend to smoke fewer marijuana cigarettes in a day or week than the amount of tobacco consumed by cigarette smokers. For example, a light smoker may smoke half of a pack (10 cigarettes) a day, but 10 marijuana cigarettes in a day would be very heavy use of marijuana. In one study, most people who smoked marijuana did so 2 to 3 times per month. The lesser amount smoked would make it harder to see an impact on lung cancer risk. It has been hard to study whether there is a link between marijuana and lung cancer because it is not easy to gather information about the use of illegal drugs. Also, many marijuana smokers also smoke cigarettes. This can make it hard to know how much of the risk is from tobacco and how much might be from marijuana. In the limited studies done so far, marijuana use has not been strongly linked to lung cancer, but more research in this area is needed." http://www.cancer.org/cancer/lungcancer-non-smallcell/detailedguide/non-small-cell-lung-cancer-risk-factors I hope that we don't live in a society where this sort of fascist thinking (of yours) is the law, and people are subjected to these random drug tests (are you 12?). No one cares about your demented view on morality so quit trying to impose it on everyone.
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          captnclintock
          • 1 Year Ago
          @captnclintock
          At this point I'm totally convinced that paddleshifterz is intentionally trolling us. There are very few sane people alive who would actually think this way, unless they are posting from a nuthouse. You had me there for a second.
          captnclintock
          • 1 Year Ago
          @captnclintock
          There was a study that linked to testicular cancer but the results were not conclusive: http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study-links-marijuana-use-to-testicular-cancer Apparently cocaine helps. Maybe that should be used instead, no? As long as you don't mind alleged infertility.
      Ducman69
      • 1 Year Ago
      Impaired driving is a problem. But no one in their right mind can insist that there are ANY statistics to show that marijuana use is a serious problem in road accidents. And if anything, I would be far more inclined to believe that a pot smoker would be driving 10mph below the speed limit, not above it, making this completely coincidental. I don't smoke pot, but I can see the problems that the prohibition has caused, just as it create the Al Capones and crime waves when alcohol was made illegal. STOP WASTING MY TAX DOLLARS, and just regulate it like tobacco.
      rollie
      • 1 Year Ago
      They call it DOPE for a reason. Just what I want to meet is a doper doing 80MPH in my lane with my grandkids in the car. How F*N** STUPID can you get?
        KaiserWilhelm
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        @rollie
        Don't hang out with your grandkids, your stupidity might rub off on them.
        Jissan
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        @rollie
        rather deal with a stoner at 80mph than your OLD (minded) slow reacting self.
      churchmotor
      • 1 Year Ago
      It's Michigan. How else would all the UAW workers get to work if the state made being drunk, or high on drugs illegal?
      mike
      • 1 Year Ago
      If you were caught with even the smallest amount of drugs, you would be sentenced to death in Singapore. At first I was opposed to such harsh rules coming from the US, but then it really does make sense over time as this really cuts down on a number of bad influences (e.g. violence, corruption, etc). Though if you do not live in Singapore, your views really do not count as much, because you do not live here and see the justification.
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          Winnie Jenkems
          • 1 Year Ago
          Let's see, we've got 1. Executing homosexuals, 2. Executing anyone who ever had an abortion, 3. Forced conversion to the state religion, 4. No human rights/basic standard of living You sound an awful lot like those Islamic terrorists you hate so much. Try living in Iran, you might actually love it so much you'll stay there
        Ducman69
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mike
        Singapore is a police state (almost all police are plain clothes so its difficult to identify them) with pretend elections and a state run news and media industry. We had virtually no channels, and it was comical how much American movies were censored. Not that it matters much, but you have to have at least 500 grams of marijuana to get the death sentence. There is no public debate on the matter though, since the state controls the TV, radio, and newspapers. I enjoyed living there and it has very little crime, and I could even rollerskate at night in any part of town and not worry. However, there are even harsh punishments for spitting on the street or chewing gum, which is illegal. And for those that don't know how bad it is, did you know that you can go to jail for not flushing a public toilet? You can also be fined under pornography charges for walking around naked in your own house if someone happens to catch a glance through a window. You can also be cited for sedition for making negative remarks bout any religion, as there is no pretense of freedom of speech in Singapore. Yup! Its the law.
        archos
        • 1 Year Ago
        @mike
        Mike is a classic example of brain fail. Prohibition. Alcohol. Remember that? Did it lower crime and corruption or did it contaminate our entire political structure with corruption and lead to rampant street violence? Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding! The War on Drugs. Has it led to lower corruption and violence or are their now entrenched gangs in every major city who use violence to maintain their drug turf? Has it made countries more stable or is Columbia and Mexico now in perpetual state of civil war because of the illegal marijuana trade which makes up the bulk of profits. Sentence people to death and you only increase the street value (higher risk of transport = higher transport costs), while now murdering thousands of people who would otherwise be paying taxes and raising children. What kind of ignorant fool would say something like that?
      makeshiftballer
      • 1 Year Ago
      The only damage pot can do to you or anyone else is put you behind bars. Then everyone else can pay the taxes to keep you there
      Jarheadius
      • 1 Year Ago
      WOW... Pot is "incredibly dangerous"? It (pot) has "killed thousands"?? Pot has " no medical value, or uses"??? Sounds like some of you watched an anti marijuana video in high school and were gullible egnough to just keep on believing it... So... Explane to me how nobody died, nor even required any medical astsistance at multiple concerts I have attended. Where the smoking of said killer drug was so wide spred you would have gotten stoned regardless of wether or not you were hitting the multiple joints/blunts/spliffs being passed around... I can agree that being stoned out of your mind while behind the wheel is not a very good idea, probably a pretty bad one if you ask me. But honestly... If you get über stoned, you're more likely to fall asleep and not leave your couch, much less your house... I'm not saying that people don't do it, and I'm not saying I haven't done it myself... But if it were really that dangerous, wouldn't there be some ungodly statistic showing that pot is a major cause of automotive accident fatalities?? I personally feel safer driving next to someone who's stoned, then some asshat that's on there cell phone...
      makeshiftballer
      • 1 Year Ago
      NO MEDICINAL VALUE??? Are y'all stupid??? There is one reason pot is not legal and that's because big pharmaceutical companies make money off there perscriptions. Pot could wipe out half of the addictive and dangerous **** doctors perscribe nowadays. Not to mention all of the other uses from hemp! People have been smoking this PLANT for thousands of years and it hasn't killed a soul. I can't believe some of these comments saying contrary to what the MSM says weed kills! I don't think I've ever heard the puppets, oh wait I mean the media saying pot is good Lol. Why would they they make too much money
      Louis MacKenzie
      • 1 Year Ago
      Smoking pot, driving fatigued or taking drugs that make a person drowsy, either way the operator is at fault for driving while impaired. Nothing on medical use should afford any protection for driving while impaired.
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