Vital Stats

Engine:
1.8L I4
Power:
140 HP / 128 LB-FT
Transmission:
5-Speed Automatic
0-60 Time:
9.2 Sec
Drivetrain:
Front-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight:
2,866 LBS
Seating:
2+3
Cargo:
12.5 CU FT
MPG:
28 City / 39 HWY
Base Price:
$18,165
Lather, Rinse, Repeat



On some level, it's hard to blame Honda for the strategy it took with its new-for-2012 Civic. Executives looked at the key players on the market as the model was being developed, soaked in the growing global economic malaise, and decided that if they wanted to make decent money on their small car, they'd have to find creative ways to take cost out of its build. In light of the financial crisis, consumers and critics would surely understand some belt-tightening in order to secure the company's legendary reliability, resale value and ease-of-use, right?

So Honda took a pass on expensive new technology – more complex transmissions, forced induction, active aero, and so on. And it also substituted in some cheaper interior materials, skimped on sound deadening, creature comforts and found lots of little ways to save money. Surely in a segment where the frankly ancient and moth-eaten Toyota Corolla has consistently ranked among the sales leaders, nobody would care, eh?

Well, Honda was half right. After an unusually long product cycle with the eighth-generation Civic, loyal customers were all too eager to plunk down their hard-earned cash for a new model, with 2012 sales totaling well over 300,000 units. But the model's long-term prospects were less certain. That's because Honda miscalculated the strategies of its rivals, playing things close to the vest when others chose to double-down in the segment.

Between the time the 2012 Civic's design was locked in and the moment it hit the market, the compact car fray became exponentially more competitive. Ford took the wraps off of its sophisticated and tech-rich Focus. Hyundai rolled out its audaciously styled and value-laden Elantra. Mazda took its already great-driving Mazda3 and elevated its fuel economy with Skyactiv engineering. Even perennial small car backmarker General Motors put forth a high-quality effort with its mature new Chevrolet Cruze. Critics' reaction was no less swift and stern: Not only was the 2012 Civic a galactic comedown in terms of interior appointments and design, it wasn't as much fun to drive as its predecessor, nor was it the least bit innovative. For a company that made its nut – and its reputation – on the back of its engineering prowess, all of this was bitterly disappointing.

We're not sure whether it was enduring the media drubbing (that Consumer Reports fall-from-grace had to sting), looking around at its suddenly fierce competition, fielding embittered calls from its dealers or just a simple bit of soul searching that spurred Honda to react so quickly, but here we are, just one model year later and there's a surprisingly comprehensive update on sale. But is it an impressive about-face for Honda or just a bit of apple-polishing and slight-of-hand? We spent a week with a loaded EX-L to find out.
2013 Honda Civic side view2013 Honda Civic front view2013 Honda Civic rear view

The look is a major improvement, appearing far more sophisticated than the 2012 car.

When we initially heard rumors of an "emergency refresh" coming for the 2013 Civic, we honestly didn't expect much – the era of massive year-over-year changes died decades ago, after all. But what arrived at November's Los Angeles Auto Show was a whole lot more comprehensive in scope than what we anticipated.

To begin with, the 2013 Civic's nose features a thoroughly updated look, with a more complex hood stamping, larger mesh grille opening framed by a chrome-edged smile, more expressive headlamps and a reworked lower fascia with a fillet of brightwork that does wonders to help the design look more upscale. In profile, with the exception of fresh wheel patterns, the look stays largely as it was for 2012, with the same aggressively raked greenhouse and fuss-free sheetmetal contours. Out back, a redesigned trunklid houses a better-integrated license plate pocket and a chrome trim strip is bookended by larger and more elaborate two-piece taillamps. Overall, we think the look is a major improvement, appearing far more sophisticated than the 2012 car, which was at best an incremental improvement over the admittedly radical eighth-generation model.

2013 Honda Civic grille2013 Honda Civic headlight2013 Honda Civic fog light2013 Honda Civic taillight

The 2013 update helps bring a welcome composure to the Civic's cabin.

But the 2012 Civic's personal Waterloo wasn't really its exterior – it was inside where the car stumbled. A quick peek at Honda owner forums reveals that existing Civic drivers who came in looking to trade their cars for a 2012 model were disappointed with the noticeable cheapening of cabin materials. That's been rectified for 2013, with more soft-touch plastics, convincing faux stitching on the dashboard and doors, a richer headliner, nicer upholstery and, in general, a more premium aura.

The unique two-tier dashboard strategy remains, and while it looks busy, it's quite easy to get used to. Items like a backup camera, Bluetooth telephony/streaming audio and Pandora integration are welcome standard equipment additions, but the biggest improvement to the cabin isn't something you can put a finger on, because it lies beneath. A canopy of additional sound deadening has been added to the firewall, wheel wells and flooring, and a thicker windshield and front-row side windows further mute the outside world. Hondas have rarely been known for their noise abatement abilities, but the 2013 update helps bring a welcome composure to the Civic's cabin, cutting powertrain noise noticeably under acceleration, and road and wind noise everywhere else.

2013 Honda Civic interior2013 Honda Civic front seats2013 Honda Civic rear seats2013 Honda Civic trunk

Honda wisely focused on trying to restore some of the car's spunkiness.

Speaking of the powertrain, it's untouched – no Earth Dreams here. You'll find the same 1.8-liter four-cylinder engine doling out 140 horsepower and 128 pound-feet of torque through either a five-speed manual or the five-speed automatic fitted to our test car. It continues to be a smooth-revving if unremarkable drive partner, more notable for the relative ease with which it hits its EPA fuel economy numbers of 28 city and 39 highway than anything else. Despite picking up a modest amount of weight thanks to its higher feature count and sound insulation (50 to 100 pounds, depending on specification), the Civic's mid-pack 0-60 time of 9.2 seconds is unchanged, yet the quieter accelerative experience is a lot more pleasant.

While Honda didn't spend its engineering resources on redressing the Civic's powertrain, it wisely focused on trying to restore some of the car's spunkiness, thickening the anti-roll bars both front and rear, quickening the steering rack by some seven percent and retuning the bushings, all in the name of better handling. Despite the sun-soaked images of our California photo car, our week with the Civic was spent in the greater Detroit area, snow and all. Thus, properly assessing the full measure of the car's handling envelope wasn't on the table, but the ride did seem less busy and turn-in perhaps a skosh quicker. And while the company's engineers were fiddling around with the car's greasy bits, they also reinforced the front body structure and tweaked the side airbags for better safety.

2013 Honda Civic engine

We have to wonder if this redesign isn't Honda just pulling ahead what was an already-in-the-can refresh.

This panoply of improvements adds just $160 to the Civic's base MSRP. That's both impressive and troubling. Impressive in that so little buys so much – we're not sure a better $160 has been spent on a car – but troubling in that Honda didn't think to do all of this last year. Assuming the company is still making a profit, do Honda's beancounters really think so little of compact buyers that they assume consumers wouldn't have spent an extra $160 to get a much better vehicle?

The reality probably lies somewhere in the middle. It's more likely that the 2013 Civic's profit margins aren't as generous as those of its counterpart from last year (tellingly, the base DX model has been dropped), and besides, Honda would probably rather fortify the model's prospect for long-term competitiveness and improve its critical stature than make a few extra bucks. That sort of recalculation would make sense to us, but we also have to wonder if this redesign isn't the result of Honda just pulling ahead what was basically an already-in-the-can refresh that wasn't scheduled to hit for another couple of model years. If that's the case, does that leave the Civic with bare cupboards a few years from now?

2013 Honda Civic rear 3/4 view

In the end, while there are still better driver's cars to be had in the segment, it's hard not to be impressed with what this litany of little tweaks has done for the Civic, from its more expensive appearance to its suddenly class-competitive refinement and equipment levels. While we still dearly miss the days when Honda reveled in challenging its engineers to openly and freely innovate on even its most basic of models, the Civic is once again in the thick of the small car hunt.


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      H.E. Pennypacker
      • 1 Year Ago
      looks great, especially the rear.
      comrade slow
      • 1 Year Ago
      You can't really say they totally misread the market when it sold so well, but bummer for the 300,000 that bought it.
      Big Mama
      • 1 Year Ago
      I purchased the 2013 Honda Civic EX about 6 months ago. I love mostly everything about this car (safety, gas mileage, comfort and style are all top notch.) My only complaint is the crazy HORN! When I push it I expect a band of clowns to burst from my back seat. It's ridiculous.
      Fonin
      • 1 Year Ago
      gee, my 1994 integra had a 1.8l making about 140/127, and slightly less mpgs. i know they ILX sports a 2l version of this. could integra be returning as a re-bodided civic coupe? an IRX maybe?
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Fonin
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          Gubbins
          • 1 Year Ago
          ...and NVH, and crash protection, and structural rigidity etc etc. There's always someone who chimes in with how their old model got such-and-such MPG and it was years ago and it was cheaper and lighter... It's a different world now Fonin--considering what has to be incorporated into a car design today the economy and reliability is incredible.
          Fonin
          • 1 Year Ago
          oh yeah emissions i'm sure, even though they were already 'low emissions' (at the time) just reminds me of the options back then, 1.5 sohc civic, 1.6 sohc vtec, 1.6 dohc vtec, 1.8 dohc, 1.8 dohc vtec. i have been really impressed with the looks of the ILX as well, much better in person than in print. just crossing my fingers. i still think there was something exciting about winding out a honda
      ICantDrive88
      • 1 Year Ago
      I rented the 2012 version yesterday and I kind of liked it but the thing I found to be the worse, even over the cheaper materials, was how loud it was. This '13 looks to fix that problem, and really any complaint I had, including the boring looks. I wish the engine was different though, needs more pep. That's the next think I'm sure Honda will do, probably 2014 or '15 at the latest with a CVT this time.
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        @ICantDrive88
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          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          Not everyone wants to have to step up to the Si.
          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          Actually, he did try to teach me. It just isn't practical for me to buy another car right now (being poor sucks). Also, I find your insinuation that I wear womens shoes insulting, and I bite my thumb at you, sir.
          NightFlight
          • 1 Year Ago
          LOL. I like how you said 200+ to try to fool people into believing it is more than just the weak 201 horsepower it has. Honda marketing arm, hard at work here fellas.
        rmkensington
        • 1 Year Ago
        @ICantDrive88
        Every Honda I have ever been in, including the CRV I used to own was really loud on the inside. Almost like they didnt bother to research taming road noise.
          redgpgtp97
          • 1 Year Ago
          @rmkensington
          Customers used to complain about the road noise in the Civic, some even in the Accords so this is not a new problem.
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        Chris Paukert
        • 1 Year Ago
        Laser - Thanks for your detailed feedback – we always appreciate readers taking the time to comment. Having said that, I stand by what I wrote 100% – and I respectfully disagree with your assertion that "Autoblog is a sellout to Honda and freely admitted so." Truthfully, I think we've been as tough on the brand as anyone in recent years, maybe even more so. In my case, I frankly all but eviscerated the original Crosstour (http://aol.it/1dluH0), I openly panned the 2012 Civic (see here: http://aol.it/qYGjIR), and in this review, while I note its many improvements, I still openly question their decision making – on the very pricing item you bring up ("Honda's beancounters really think so little of compact buyers that they assume consumers wouldn't have spent an extra $160 to get a much better vehicle?") and lament that they aren't the innovative, engineering-led company they once were: "While we still dearly miss the days when Honda reveled in challenging its engineers to openly and freely innovate on even its most basic of models, the Civic is once again in the thick of the small car hunt." To restate: With the 2013 Civic, Honda did more updates after a single model year than we've seen at any time in recent memory, from any automaker. Your statement that "nothing really changed on this car except detailing" is incorrect – there are real changes to the steering, suspension and structure to go along with the alterations to the bodywork and interior. All of these may be small changes individually, but they add up to a much better vehicle that is indeed class competitive again (I've spent a good amount of time in all of them). Is it the best car to drive in the class? Absolutely not, and I say as much. Finally, I'll say this – the eighth generation Civic was a great car when it came out in 2006, and it rotted on the vine for a long time. The 2013 Civic is a better car overall than the 2011 model.
          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Chris Paukert
          He always says crap like this. We think some of his bolts aren't torqued down all the way.
        Nick
        • 1 Year Ago
        dude, you have had way too much haterade... go home. you are drunk.
          A P
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Nick
          Nope, he is right.......AB is just the worst industry rag on the net. Especially with German products....they are given the biggest pass.
        superchan7
        • 1 Year Ago
        Let's assume you're not high on something and take a look at your points: - The 2012 product DIDN'T flop. 300,000 non-fleet sales - You can't hold a new model back for 6 months because your supply of 2011 models will run out - You grossly underestimate the commitment (factory tooling, training, parts suppliers) in locking a car's design - A new stamping IS a new part, and requires new CAD simulations and stamping moulds - Nobody uses real metal or chrome trim in modern cars. Too much weight - Compact car buyers don't compare 0-60 times - The 2013 facelift's cost per unit is $500, and Honda are charging $160 to the end user. They fattened the margin for 2012 and ate it back in 2013 Go out and do something productive. Read stuff other than AB. Educate yourself about the industry, and real life. Look at how long it took the Big 3 to begin putting out competitive compact cars. Lastly, lay off the word "idiot".
        David
        • 1 Year Ago
        "I know Honda owners are the dumbest group of car owners on the planet" If you think Honda owners are dumber than those who spent money on such automotive gems as the Chrysler K platform or GM N platform you've proven yourself to be completely devoid of brainpower.
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        JLF
        • 1 Year Ago
        Pretty sure they're not after Rover and Volvo customers with their economy compact offerings, but thanks for chiming in...
        thequebecerinfrance
        • 1 Year Ago
        Like we care.
        superchan7
        • 1 Year Ago
        You may want to spend your 30 seconds commenting on an SUV article next time, instead of a Honda Civic article.
        luigi.tony
        • 1 Year Ago
        Make sure you purchase lots and lots of extra warranty coverage on your overpriced Mommymobile. Just going over speed bumps at the mall might cause all sorts of electrical problems in your Land Rover.
        Sig
        • 1 Year Ago
        Then why are you commenting on a Civic article?
      NightFlight
      • 1 Year Ago
      I see that Honda's most dedicated fanboys have shown up to gush their praises. luigi.tony aaronm_mt Wrangler Unlimited BTCC ____|____ invisiblog Toronto St. Paris Mary Keana Mary.Keana mary.keana mary keana mary.keana2 I particularly like how he tried to pass of the Civic Hybrid's city rating as the regular Civic, and tried to imply that the Civic Si had well more than the weak 201 horsepower it has by saying 200+ horsepower. The Civic is still weak, still ugly, and still wouldn't be on my list if I were buying a C segment vehicle. Go ahead Mary Keana, upvote me to +15 like you did in the other threads, let's watch you waste your time again.
        Avinash Machado
        • 1 Year Ago
        @NightFlight
        In most forums it is against the rules to have more than one account or profile? I wonder why AB does not implement it as well?
          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          @Avinash Machado
          No idea. That he/she has that many Google accounts (at least I think they're Google) says a lot about his/her lack of a social life.
      Dwayne Hicks
      • 1 Year Ago
      When I first purchased my new '07 Civic 6 years ago, I felt it was ahead of it's time. Nothing in the segment had it's streamlined look or tech features such as Navigation and XM radio. Fast forward to last year when it was time to trade up and the '12 Civic was a joke compared to the new Hyundai Elantra (6 speed auto with manual shift/heated front / rear seats / hands free entry/crisp streamlined look). Honda lost my business.
        luigi.tony
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dwayne Hicks
        How much is Hyundai paying you back for lying about your Elantra's gas mileage?
          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @luigi.tony
          Lets see: - Thousands less to purchase! - 10 year warranty! - More features - Better materials So they goofed an MPG or two, most would still rather save thousands and then get reembursed by Hyundai.
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          @luigi.tony
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          Dwayne Hicks
          • 1 Year Ago
          @luigi.tony
          It's up to about $120 a year.
          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          @luigi.tony
          Honda uses struts up front as well. Everybody does.
        FuelToTheFire
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Dwayne Hicks
        Are you f ing kidding me? HYUNDAI? Their quality and reliability is comparable to Chinese cars
          superchan7
          • 1 Year Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          Whoa there, at least Hyundai has the goods to sell worldwide.
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        @Dwayne Hicks
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          Dwayne Hicks
          • 1 Year Ago
          There is no denying that the current redesigned Civic is a refined compact car that draws on many generations of engineering since the 70's. Everybody has been playing catch up since. But what mattered to me as a buyer in 2012 is that with this now crowded compact car segment, you really need to stand out in a lot of different ways. Just having a refined ride and powertrain is not enough. Both the Elantra and the Focus has been made tremendous strides in elevating the exterior lines and interior style for this segment not to mention loading up on alot of tech on the inside. Sure, maybe most middle aged american's and older may not care so much about those things but many in their 20's and 30's demand more and it's showing in sales.
      Really
      • 1 Year Ago
      Honda lost me when they went to struts. No DI, shame on Honda! Pretty soon they'll be so much dirt over their grave they'll never be able to dig out. Great job geniuses!
        redgpgtp97
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Really
        What???
          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @redgpgtp97
          The Hyundai handles better and drives smoother than the Civic, even with its struts and beam rear axle. I guess you can't handle facts. I don't work for anyone, I just let the facts speak for themselves unlike you TROLLS!
          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @redgpgtp97
          1000 times better strut valving. Hopefully this clarifies for the non-technical
        luigi.tony
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Really
        I guess Porsche LOST YOU TOO THEN.
          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @luigi.tony
          How you driven both? Then you wouldn't make such stupid comments.
          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @luigi.tony
          You must work for Honda! Troll
        superchan7
        • 1 Year Ago
        @Really
        They beat DI engines' mpg without DI. They use struts which BMW M3 and Porsche 911 also use. What's the problem?
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          @superchan7
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          Really
          • 1 Year Ago
          @superchan7
          Again have you driven pre-strut and strut Civics? It was like going from a Rolls to a Yugo. High end cars use the proper geometry not to mention 1000 times better valving thats why they can do it. Don't comment if you don't know or understand the facts! Another Honda TROLL
      merlot066
      • 1 Year Ago
      Reliability, fuel economy, resale value, what other incorrect resaons do you need to pretend are reasons to buy the Civic? Reliability? JD Powers gives the Civic 4/5 stars. Same as the Focus and Elantra. One less than the Corolla. If you want a reliable car, buy a Corolla. Fuel Economy? The Civic gets 1 MPG more than most other compact sedans. EPA and real-world. The non-SFE Focus has 20 more horsepower and gets one-less MPG. The SFE Focus has ugly rims but has the same horsepower and 1 MPG more than the Civic. If you want the best fuel-economy, get a Focus SFE or Chevy Cruze Eco. Resale Value? The Civic has good resale value in the class, but it's different when it comes to 5-year cost-to-own. The Focus, Cruze, Elantra, Mazda 3, and Corolla all have lower long-term costs than the Civic. The new Civic isn't a bad car, it isn't the worst car, but there are other cars that are clearly superior in technology, power, handling, comfort, mileage, reliability, and ownership costs. The Civic is a well-balanced car (unlike the Corolla which is cheap, basic, reliable, and nothing more) but there are plenty of well-balanced cars that are better.
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        @merlot066
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          carguy1701
          • 1 Year Ago
          I'm pretty sure rental companies buy all the compact except for the Lancer.
        makasay
        • 1 Year Ago
        @merlot066
        The Civic offers reliability, resale value, value, the best real world fuel economy, (only rivaled by the Mazda 3), as for the Civic having higher long term costs than the Focus, Cruze, Elantra, Mazda 3, and Corolla, BS, show me where you get your information? All the Civics my family has owned have never required more than regular maintenance which is cheap. Honda has a reputation for being the most reliable and least expensive to own.
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          @makasay
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          @makasay
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          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          @makasay
          Toyota makes prius not Nissan how they come into topping chart? Please check table below that was obtain vi you post, which you hide the vehicle comparison, that corolla leads civic in reliability, and Nissan qashqai leads crv, the point is brand comparison is nonsense, vehicle comparison is the best and the table below show exactly that.
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        @merlot066
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          merlot066
          • 1 Year Ago
          If you really want to compare apples to oranges, the Focus Electric gets 110 MPGe in the CITY. I wasn\'t talking about the Civic Hybrid...
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          chanonissan
          • 1 Year Ago
          This honda troll think he can paste a website shown honda at first aclaim it to be reliable than every one , now we can do a car to car comparsion and see for our self. supermini 1 Vauxhall Agila ('00-'08) 3 2 Skoda Fabia ('07-) 15 3 Honda Jazz ('01-'08) 16 what about the 08 to 11 yet they have the toyota yaris to 2011 baised 4 Seat Ibiza ('06-'09) 19 5 Toyota Yaris ('06-'11) 30 6 Kia Rio ('01-'05) 35 7 Mazda 2 ('03-'07) 56 8 Toyota Yaris ('03-'05) 56 9 Volkswagen Lupo ('99-'05) 69 10 Mitsubishi Colt ('04-) 73 city car 1 Suzuki Alto ('97-'06) 8 2 Toyota Aygo ('05-) 11 3 Kia Picanto ('04-'11) 20 4 Hyundai Getz ('02-'09) 25 5 Ford Ka ('08-) 27 6 Smart Fortwo ('07-) 27 7 Daewoo Matiz ('98-'05) 56 8 Ford Ka ('96-'09) 56 9 Fiat Panda ('04-12) 69 10 Peugeot 107 ('05-) 73 small family car 1 Volvo S40 ('96-'04) 22 2 Toyota Corolla ('01-'07) 26 yet this fool want to convince you civic is more reliable 3 Toyota Auris ('07-) 27 4 Honda Civic ('06-'12) 31 5 Honda Civic ('00-'06) 44 6 Peugeot 308 ('07-) 45 7 Toyota Prius ('03-'09) 48 8 Mazda 3 ('04-'09) 54 9 Mazda 323 ('98-'04) 57 discontinued 10 Nissan Almera ('00-'06) 62 discontinued from 06 family car 1 Subaru Legacy ('03-'09) 40 2 Honda Accord ('02-'08) 48 3 Ford Mondeo ('07-) 49 4 Nissan Primera ('02-'06) 61 discontinued 5 Mercedes-Benz B-Class ('05-'11) 66 6 Volvo V40 ('96-'04) 71 7 Mitsubishi Carisma ('95-'05) 77 8 Seat Toledo ('99-'05) 77 9 Toyota Avensis ('03-'09) 78 10 Peugeot 406 ('96-'04) 80 executives car 1 Mercedes-Benz ('06-'09) 22 2 Lexus IS ('05-) 52 3 Lexus GS ('05-'12) 57 4 Lexus IS ('99-'05) 63 5 Jaguar XF ('07-) 65 6 Volvo S80 ('06-) 76 7 Volvo V70 ('07-) 91 8 Lexus GS ('97-'05) 105 9 Volvo S60 ('00-'09) 122 10 BMW 3 Series ('07-'12) 130 MPVs 1 Chevrolet Tacuma ('05-'09) 28 2 Mitsubishi Space Star ('98-'06) 32 3 Ford C-Max ('07-) 38 4 Toyota Corolla Verso ('01-'04) 43 5 Renault Scenic ('03-'09) 45 6 Citroen Xsara Picasso ('00-'10) 56 7 Toyota Corolla Verso ('04-'05) 60 8 Citroen Berlingo Multispace ('02-'08) 66 9 Nissan Almera Tino ('00-'05) 68 discontinued 10 Vauxhall Meriva ('03-) 72 SUVS 1 Honda HR-V ('98-'06) 9 2 Suzuki Jimny ('98-) 24 3 Suzuki Vitara ('05-') 27 4 Nissan Qashqai ('07-) 40 5 Suzuki Vitara ('98-05) 41 6 Honda CR-V ('02-06) 42 7 Honda CR-V ('07-) 46 8 Subaru Forester ('02-'09) 66 9 Nissan X-Trail ('07) 67 10 Mitsubishi Shogun Pinin ('99-06) 73 the latest JD power survey for europe. http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/jd-power-survey-2012/the-results/263078
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        Gorgenapper
        • 1 Year Ago
        @merlot066
        Re: your 1MPG comment. Keep in mind that 1 MPG difference at around the high 20s - mid 30s is not a hell of a lot. I remembered checking out the difference between 9mpg and 11mpg, vs 39mpg and 41mpg. In both cases, it was a 2MPG difference, but the gap between 9mpg and 11mpg is far, FAR wider than that between 39mpg and 41mpg. Things become much clearer when you translate those numbers to L/100km (use the google fuel consumption calculator).
        Spies1
        • 1 Year Ago
        @merlot066
        I have a sneaking suspicion that Merlot066 is one of Yomama65xx's many accounts. Notice the typical merlot066 ratings. We know yomama is a UAW worker, now it appears we know it is for Ford.
      Gorgenapper
      • 1 Year Ago
      You can dress up a fridge with soft touch materials and 'stitched' faux leather surfaces, and put 4 wheels on it, but it's still a fridge.
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