The haze around the mid-engined Porsche supercar being bred to fill the space between the 911 and 918 Spyder is clearing. A few months ago, combined intel from Automobile and Car was that the 960, a challenger to the Ferrari 458, would either be a coupe or a "four-door coupe" powered by a twin-turbo flat-six and priced "on the creepy side of 200,000 euro." Auto Express has just reported that the new car is "set to be called the 961" and cost in the area of 250,000 pounds, reflecting a lower price than was supposed last year.

Exotic technology runs downhill and Auto Express suggests the 961 will be a heavy study from the 918's chapbook, utilizing a monocoque chassis from the same CFRP materials and the 918's 4.6-liter V8. The deep haze returns again in the predictions of how those details will come together, though. Theorized output is 570 horsepower, which is the horsepower number of the engine in the 918 but less than the 620 hp in the current 911 GT2 RS, the 961 going without the electric motors of its hybrid brother. The sprint from naught to 60 miles per hour is pegged at just above three seconds, which would put it in the same bracket as the 918 and nearly a second faster than the GT2 RS.

We await more word from The Oracle to know where the 961 will get its looks from – the 911 or 918 side of the family.


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      spinftwin
      • 2 Years Ago
      If this thing is truly a non-hybrid 918, then it might be the best option for the enthusiast, especially if they make a hardcore version to take on the eventual 458 "Scuderia/Challenge Stradale"
        k_m94
        • 2 Years Ago
        @spinftwin
        A 961 being a stripped down, non hybrid, manual transmission, drastically cheaper 918 would make it a real modern day Carrera GT. Not to mention, the engine would be a direct comparison with the 458's, without the hybrid system. 4.6L making 570+hp vs 4.5L making 570hp. Although the MP4-12C would run away from both with a 620hp twin turbo V8.
      Amr
      • 2 Years Ago
      I don't think the specs they suggested would make this car competitive. Porsche has always had the philosophy of being a benchmark setter. Currently, the 458 is the benchmark and the specs you suggested are exactly the same as the now 3 year old 458. My theory is that it will have a V8 twin turbo with around 620 Hp, 4 wheel drive, 0-60 in less than 3 seconds (which is what the current turbo S is capable of doing). This is a car that will compete with the next generation 458 and the next generation Gallardo.
        k.naz
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Amr
        They might as well experiment with the current V8 that they throw under the hood of the Cayenne Turbo S and Panamera Turbo S. With already 550hp on tap, I'm sure they'll be able to squeeze out more, but that's just a guess.
          Frisky_Dingo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @k.naz
          This car needs to be NA if it truly wants to rule the segment.
          sparrk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @k.naz
          the McLaren in that segment has a turbo V8.
        k_m94
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Amr
        Hey, 570hp and RWD would be more than enough if they manage to keep the weight really low. As in, under 3000lb full of fuel, including driver.
      Frisky_Dingo
      • 2 Years Ago
      This is fantastic news. I was seriously concerned this car wouldn't come to fruition. And even had it, rumors were indicating it'd have a turbo flat-six, and that would've killed it, imo. Great to see they're using elements of the 918 in it. Can't wait. I still wanna see a small roadster, and neo-928, though.
        sparrk
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Frisky_Dingo
        In some rumors, it was supposed to come with a flat8, that would have been interesting.
          MACE
          • 2 Years Ago
          @sparrk
          yeah that would be very interesting
      Allaround
      • 2 Years Ago
      I like this development. I've always been a huge fan of Porsche but ironically the 911 has never been my favorite model. I've loved the 924/944/968 and the Cayman most of all. Of course those have been the only models in my price range. But it god to have som better options for my future lotto winnings!
      Vien Huynh
      • 2 Years Ago
      Woo, I just came.
      • 2 Years Ago
      [blocked]
        Jonathan Wayne
        • 2 Years Ago
        I agree also. To me the value in a Ferrari comes from the fact that if you tell someone you own a Ferrari they basically know what you own and that it is rare and expensive. I don't see the value in paying over $120,000 for a Porsche. Imagine you are in a nightclub and then you have to explain to the girl you are trying to pickup that you have a 911 Turbo which is more expensive than the GTS, or the Carrera 4 or the Boxster and you don't have a Panamera or a Cayenne or the Macan when it comes out etc etc. For north of $200,000 I want a nameplate like Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, I consider that exclusivity the reason for its massive price premium. If you say you have a McLaren it is either a 12C or an F1, that's it. Personally I would not buy a new Porsche, I would buy an old 993 and call it a day.
      Miami996
      • 2 Years Ago
      I daily drive my 911 and so do many Porsche owners. Too bad the same cannot be said of most Ferraris. Because the Italian POS will certainly break down at some point if you try. However, if you are an aspiring dousche bag then by all means Ferrari is the car of choice to buy and park in front of your house. If on the other hand you are an actual driver than the Porsche is the super car you can actually drive and enjoy.
        Trevor
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Miami996
        ""If you are an aspiring douchebag than by all means ferrari is the car of choice"" hahah sounds like jealousy, my dad has been collecting ferrari's for years, so that by your dumb ass logic he is a douchebag. NEWSFLASH being rich doesnt make you douchebag, and as for the porsche they arent that exciting, just bland, and maybe you should check out LA because the douchebag car of choice is in fact the 911.
      Alan Balinsky
      • 2 Years Ago
      The reason Porsche will never compete with Ferrari is lack of attebtion to detail of their product. Every Porsche has VW parts in it, the quality of the materials inside the car are far inferior to a Ferrari in every way. When sitting in a 2012 Turbo Cabriolet I see switches etc that are VW. Performance is one thing, but you will never compete with Ferrari until you separate a Porsche from a VW.
        vedi123
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Alan Balinsky
        lol @ balinski, that´s utter BS. if Porsche is a VW then your Ferrari is a Fiat.
          sparrk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @vedi123
          i guess those Fiat parts can't stand the stress, it would explain their flaming failures.
        mitytitywhitey
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Alan Balinsky
        That's stupid. Ferrari builds unique cars that break and catch fire with above-average frequency for an automaker. Porsche builds fast, reliable cars. 'Nuff said.
      SpeedAddict
      • 2 Years Ago
      "Four-door coupe" THAT IS BULLSHIT! Coupes, BY DEFINITION, have two doors. A "four-door coupe" is called A FREAKING SEDAN.
        k_m94
        • 2 Years Ago
        @SpeedAddict
        also, how could it be a four door if it's also going to be mid engine? In fact, the only mid engine car made today that has anything remotely resembling rear seats is the Lotus Evora, and that sure as hell can't have 4 doors.
      Paulo Ferreira
      • 2 Years Ago
      The Turbo S is faster than 458, Why it isn't a super car?
        Teddy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Paulo Ferreira
        WRONG, the turbo s is slower around the nurburgring than the 458.
      keet
      • 2 Years Ago
      Challenger to the 458, isnt that what the 911 Turbo is for??
        sparrk
        • 2 Years Ago
        @keet
        The 911 turbo is a GT car, it goes against the Ferrari California , the 458 has more power and is more expensive. The GT2 RS was in the 458 territory, but the GT2 RS was a limited production car, Porsche needs another model to compete with the modern cars like the 458 and the McLaren fax-machine-name. Anyway , i bet the 961 will have more than 570hp, that's how much the 991 turbo S or GT2 will have.
        Frisky_Dingo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @keet
        No.
          mr higgens
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Frisky_Dingo
          lol, simple to the point and correct
      wtvlol
      • 2 Years Ago
      nice!
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