In this case, NADA certainly doesn't mean "nothing."

The National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA), which represents 16,000 new-vehicle dealers, is looking to meet with executives at Tesla Motors over the company's decision to have only company-owned dealerships and no franchised sales, Bloomberg News reported.

NADA also said it would provide legal support for dealers suing the luxury electric-vehicle maker. Dealer groups in Massachusetts and New York have both sued Tesla, alleging that the company is violating state laws that prohibit automakers from owning dealerships. One plaintiff is a dealer that sells Fisker extended-range electric vehicles and is believed to be seeking a Tesla franchise. Tesla chief Elon Musk recently defended the company's sales strategy and setup.

Musk argued that a traditional dealer would have a conflict of interest if he also sold more conventional vehicles. Musk also said that the nature of the Tesla involves more extensive knowledge of the vehicle than typically expected at a dealership, and that most conventional-car buyers walking into a dealer with Teslas wouldn't buy the EV anyway.


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      Letstakeawalk
      • 7 Hours Ago
      "How much money do you think the state is getting from Tesla?" Good question! How much sales tax would they get on each Tesla?
      brotherkenny4
      • 2 Years Ago
      NADA is made up of primarily right wing business guys who want to kill the electric car. Look, it's big part of why Volt sales suck, because most chevy dealers are republicans, and they don't want it to succeed.
        Grendal
        • 2 Years Ago
        @brotherkenny4
        Your statements are a little too black and white. I doubt 16,000 dealerships are all republican and right wing. There is no way that they all want the Volt to suck either. The Volt is picking up on sales because the dealers and salesmen are getting better at selling them to the public. I'm sure these people are out to protect their business and try and make more money. They aren't afraid of Tesla and probaly have no problem with them except that one of their manufacturers could try and adopt Tesla's method and cut them out. That's why they are taking on Tesla, not to stop Tesla, but to stop GM, Ford, BMW, or Mercedes from copying what Tesla is doing.
          Marcopolo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Grendal
          Grendal Well said !
          purrpullberra
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Grendal
          You Grendal are further from the truth than brotherkenney4 but the truth is in the middle. Most small business owners lean repub. Most dealerships are small businesses and so most dealership owners are naturally right leaning. Now most right leaning people act all upset at the "green energy" industry in all of its guises, Tesla among them, duh Romney duh now leading the loser pack. Most of those right-leaning anti-green people have taken on board all of the bullet points from fox and rush and hate on the volt senselessly. Many GM dealership owners HATE the volt with a rabid passion bred into them by fox and rush and their own ignorance. No one in America is as easy to predict or see wide-open and unmitigated as rightwing haters are. So it is more proper to make assumptions abut people who live (or claim to) by strong dogma, especially on the 'right'. I am the same but the other side. If you are smart and think about it you WILL guess what I think easily. Its just hard to find someone with any smarts nowadays. I'm not saying people here... but in general. I'd call one stupid if I wanted to do that.
      Rich
      • 2 Years Ago
      A mall in Easton PA has a Fiat 500 sales store. They do not sell there. They just show you the car and give you a brochure. For sales they refer you to their dealership on Rt 33.
      imoore
      • 2 Years Ago
      What I want to know is just who is NADA representing in this suit. I don't think it's the local mom & pop stores in th small towns, as they couldn't care less what Tesla does. I think it's the big mega dealers and big-city dealers who want to lock up the franchise rights for every brand sold in this country and give the impression that you can't sell a car in the US without going through us.
      Letstakeawalk
      • 7 Hours Ago
      "It gets confusing when a person or entity claims someone is breaking the law when local government agencies aren't actively doing anything about it." And you're right, it isn't always about money. OTOH, when you're talking about a billion-dollar company coming into your area, promising jobs... local governments do lots of underhanded deals in the interest of "doing business." But for a non-$$ motivated example of negligence in government: Bicycling is very popular here, and many people commute (including me!) by bike. There's one particular stretch of roadway that connects two very important areas, and was often used by bicyclists (including me!). The problem is, that road was a limited-access hwy, meant to be part of the Interstate system, with very high speed traffic. Everyone was very happy that the City was willing to "look the other way" an allow us bicyclists to ride illegally. Our city won recognition for being "bike-friendly" with all the positive press that goes along with a green transportation decision. Then bicyclists started dieing. Getting hit, getting run off narrow bridges. Important people, wealthy tax-paying citizens getting killed. The City was blamed for looking the other way, for being negligent in enforcing laws prohibiting bicyclists alongside four-lane divided highways. The signs went up shortly after the newspapers demanded action. It was always illegal to ride on that road. The City looked the other way. That negligence cost human lives.
      Letstakeawalk
      • 7 Hours Ago
      "What state does Tesla have a dealer license that you claim he has?" Apparently, NY, which is the cause of all the fuss. "A similar action has been taken in New York, where the Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association and one of its dealer members has sued Tesla and the state Department of Motor Vehicles on Tuesday in the New York State Supreme Court, claiming that they both violated state law by “seeking, in Tesla's case, and granting, in the department's case, a dealership license for a Tesla store in Westchester, N.Y on June 21st.” http://www.examiner.com/article/car-dealers-massachusetts-and-new-york-sue-to-shut-down-tesla-motors-stores ...and Massachusetts: "The Board received a complaint from the Mass Auto Association to revoke a class 1 dealer license granted to Tesla Motors on the grounds that they don't meet the requirements of a car dealer. " http://natick.patch.com/articles/what-you-missed-at-last-night-s-board-of-selectmen-meeting And also Oregon: "Automotive News reports that the Oregon Automobile Dealers Assocation informally asked the Oregon Department of Transportation's Driver and Motor Vehicles Services Division to review the validity of the dealer license granted for Tesla's Portland store." http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon.com/articles/2012/10/legality-of-tesla-stores-under-fire-in.html And Illinois: "The state of Illinois told Tesla in September that its Chicago store violates state franchise laws because it lists Tesla CEO Elon Musk as the owner. Tesla acknowledged the problem and has been given 30 days to correct it." http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/blog/2012/10/tesla-store-legality-questioned-in-48.html?page=all There's four to start with. If anyone would like to ascertain how many other states Tesla has applied for a Dealer's License, feel free to chime in.
      purrpullberra
      • 2 Years Ago
      LTAW: Thank you for the exact proof that Tesla needs to have this suit tossed. Your post showing exactly why they weren't allowed to be a dealership is showing that there is no dealership existing. And Tesla aren't being accused of breaking the law *by opening stores* or of *illegally opening a dealership in spite of their rejection*. They are being accused of somehow breaking the 'spirit' of these hideous 'laws'. That is another reason for these now mostly defeated losers took this step today. There is no there there and all the proof is in their own hands (and your post). I wonder if you misunderstood me previously because your post is exact proof of what I've said about this from the beginning. But you've said how wrong I am. "But... but... you just said...!"is what was I saying to myself when I read your 'they were denied...' post. Are you really trying to make same case as yesterday with this as 'proof' ?!?
        purrpullberra
        • 2 Years Ago
        @purrpullberra
        Sorry, I forgot the ;)
        Marco Polo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @purrpullberra
        @ purrpullberra I'll say this for you, you are really stubborn ! "they weren't allowed to be a dealership is showing that there is no dealership existing." Weird logic ! The fact that Tesla is denied permission doesn't show that no dealership exists, it only shows that no 'legal' dealership exists ! The plaintiffs claim that Tesla is operating and 'illegal' dealership.
        Letstakeawalk
        • 2 Years Ago
        @purrpullberra
        I'm just posting the facts of the case. It's up to the Judge to decide the merits of each side's argument.
          Letstakeawalk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Letstakeawalk
          "Only a bought and paid for judge could think this crap has merit." You'd have to be blind to not see that Tesla should never have been given a Dealership license.
          purrpullberra
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Letstakeawalk
          You've taken a side before today and that's the only reason I wanted to communicate with you after that post. You've said that Tesla has broken the law, to you and not a/the judge. But then it does seem we now agree that the semantics and definitions of the words in the law are what matter most. That's why I made the list, last article, of what must be present for a 'sale' to take place. That is THE only thing that matters. Which is why my analogy to internet taxes was made, to show that even when a law is supposedly well thought out and written by competent people it may not apply in even the simplest of cases which you thought were addressed. NADA has simply screwed itself and killed there own case. Only a bought and paid for judge could think this crap has merit.
      Letstakeawalk
      • 2 Years Ago
      Thank you. I was pretty excited to see it as I rode down the street this morning. Made seeing a Vantage convertible on a few blocks further down seem rather boring...
      Letstakeawalk
      • 2 Years Ago
      It depends which Concept Model S you are referring to. I think the production model is vastly more attractive than the 2008 concept: http://www.efcars.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tesla-model-s.jpg Tesla has remained remarkably faithful to the official 2009 concept (I do laugh because of a quote in this article, "not sure if the company knows how the 'ol web works.": http://jalopnik.com/5185534/tesla-model-s-sedan-concept-first-official-pictures
      Levine Levine
      • 2 Years Ago
      NADA, the legal version of organized gangsters and hustlers, wants to shake-down Tesla. Apparently, NADA wants to meet with Tesla to tell Elon one message: You better let us sell Tesla or else we'll fund all the litigations against Tesla. So play ball, pal!
      Marcopolo
      • 2 Years Ago
      Defending car dealers, is never going to be popular ! All the enthusiasm for Elon Musk and Tesla, can't hide the fact that Tesla, is once again involved in unwinnable litigation, because if Elon Musk doesn't like a law or regulation, he simply ignores it ! This makes Elon Musk and Tesla very popular with a lot of people, especially when he's opposed to the views of unpopular groups. Personally, I would like to see if the Apple approach to selling cars would actually work. But, the law is the law, whether Elon Musk is your hero, or not, Tesla must still obey the regulations. Tesla is quite entitled to change the law by lobbying the legislature, but courts are not empowered to change or override legislation. Being a rebel can be great ! But, Tesla is a business, it's shareholders expect Tesla to make money, not become continuously embroiled in futile litigation. I realize these sentiments, will not go down well with Tesla supporters, and those who hate car dealers, but it just maybe that franchising dealers, might give Tesla the sales acceptance needed to succeed. I would love to see the Tesla S displayed on a showroom floor, like Manhattan Motorcars, alongside Bentley, Lamborghini, Rolls-Royce, Spyker, Porsche, and Lotus. This would enhance the image of all EV's, with the general public. It also would gain powerful new supporters, who would have a vested interest in supporting EV technology.
        purrpullberra
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Marcopolo
        The laws don't say "NO MANUFACTURER MAY SELL THEIR VEHICLES IN ANY MANNER BESIDES THE EXISTING INDEPENDENT FRANCHISE DEALERSHIP NETWORK" NADA wishes they had but they didn't. Selling means something specific and Tesla were very careful to * never do that*. What specifics do you have for Tesla breaking the law that LTAW cited? You just repeat a stale claim and never state anything useful. You just eat it and sell it like you have dealership blood in your veins. Why, specifically, are you so damn sure? Spit it out brother!
        Letstakeawalk
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Marcopolo
        I have no love for auto dealers, personally. I've never bought a car, so I haven't tread that minefield, but I did once have (in high school) an old Pontiac that had a recall on the paint. The dealer told me that they would repaint it for free, which they did... ...but to my horror, they also added a lightning bolt pinstripe down both sides! I could only stand it for a week, and then I carefully pulled that abomination off!
      • 2 Years Ago
      Circumvent the system. They are struggling to stay afloat.
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