Toyota iQ EV
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  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

  • Toyota iQ EV
  • Toyota iQ EV

2012 was supposed to be the year the all-electric version of the Toyota/Scion iQ made a splash. Instead, it appears that while it remains technically true that the iQ EV will launch this year, it will be a much, much smaller splash than previously anticipated. According to Reuters, the iQ will have an "extremely limited release."

That's a kind way to say that the 100 iQ EVs that Reuters says Toyota will now sell in the U.S. and Japan is a much smaller figure than was anticipated. The writing has been on the wall for a while. All the way back in 2009, Toyota hinted that the EV, which can only go 50 miles on a charge, might be destined for car-sharing services, and in 2011, a Toyota spokesperson confirmed the iQ EV would be a "low-volume vehicle."

Now, the official Toyota line (see below) is that:

Toyota has seen that many customers are not yet willing to compromise on range, and they don't like the time needed to re-charge the batteries. Moreover, the infrastructure for recharging has not become as widespread as originally anticipated.

So, even though Toyota is ready with the iQ EV, we believe a plug-in hybrid solution offers a better way than pure electric for most customer needs in the short- to medium-term, and that is where we will concentrate our commercial activities
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Toyota vice chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada tells Reuters, "The current capabilities of electric vehicles do not meet society's needs, whether it may be the distance the cars can run, or the costs, or how it takes a long time to charge."

Compare this attitude to the one displayed by Daimler, which today has hundreds of Smart Electric Drive vehicles functioning as car-sharing rides through its Car2go program in places like San Diego, CA and Austin, TX. Toyota will still move forward with the launch of the RAV4 EV, and expects to sell around 2,600 of them in the next three years.
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Introduction
Toyota's engineers have been involved in Electric Vehicle (EV) research and development for over 40 years, since 1971. Developed in parallel with the company's pioneering full Hybrid (HV), Plug-in Hybrid (PHEV) and Fuel Cell (FCV) vehicles, the EV represents Toyota's long-term vision for short range sustainable mobility.

The company's readily adaptable Hybrid Synergy Drive® platform serves as the core technology for all of its advanced powertrain applications, based on specific usage patterns: EV for city driving, PHEV for city/mid distance use, HV for mid distance driving and FCV for long distance use.

Key to EV development are the battery and motor control systems that Toyota has created and fine-tuned through the broad technological base of its hybrid vehicle programme. To date, Toyota has developed several types of EV, including a two-passenger concept- the e-com, an SUV- the RAV4 EV, and several FT-EV concept cars.

First unveiled at the 1997 Tokyo Motor Show, the e-com shared much of its EV technology and powertrain components with the larger RAV4 EV. Producing zero emissions, it could run at speeds of up to 100 km/h for approximately 100 km on a single charge. By 2000, Toyota had a fleet of around 30 e-coms in use in Japan.

By 1995, Toyota was already highly focused on bringing a viable electric vehicle to the market. Its first generation RAV4 EV represented the successful culmination of all the company had learned over the previous 24 years. Indeed, the first prototype won the Scandinavian Electric Car Rally in August of that year.

The RAV4 EV had one of the best cruising ranges of any electric vehicle in the world –more than 120 miles (200 km) on a single charge. Since it was released in 1997, 1,500 were sold in the United States. A second generation RAV4 EV, created in partnership with Tesla, has recently been launched in the United States market.

Three generations of FT-EV concept have been produced so far, making their respective world debuts at the Detroit Motor Show and the Tokyo Motor Shows of 2009 and 2011. The iQ EV is a production version of those concepts, incorporating the technological and design strengths of all three models.

It represents the installation of an all-electric powertrain within a Toyota iQ package, combining the ultimate in compact city car agility with zero emissions and the easy, silent driving of a fully electric vehicle for up to four passengers.

Concept
The iQ EV has been specifically designed as a city commuting vehicle for use in an urban environment.

In the interests of weight saving, packaging and charging times, that range had to be realised with the lowest practical battery capacity. Power efficiency therefore became the key development goal, focusing on a combination of lightweight design and the lowest possible power consumption.

In an EV, the power consumption of the air conditioning system takes up a very high percentage of the total available battery power. To counteract this, the iQ EV features a low power consumption heat pump air conditioning system, allied to seat heater fitted as standard to directly warm occupants, and a new Heated Windscreen Defroster (HWD) system to clear the screen without the aid of the air conditioning system.

A lower battery capacity also translates into a shorter charging time. Not only can the iQ EV be fully recharged in approximately three hours, but also, via Fast Charging, its battery can be recharged up to 80% capacity in only 15 minutes, significantly enhancing the convenience and practicality of the new Toyota EV.

Packaging
At 3,120 mm overall, the new iQ EV is just 135 mm longer than a standard iQ,sharing the latter's overall width of 1,680 mm, height of 1,505 mm and 2,000 mm wheelbase. A minimum turning circle of just 4.1 metres offers excellent urban manoeuvrability.

Because the zero emission EV has no requirement for an exhaust system, the newly developed, flat, highly compact lithium-ion battery pack has been mounted within a high strength steel cradle beneath the cabin floor.

This packaging solution has three key benefits: it offers no compromise to either loadspace or passenger accommodation for four; it equips the iQ EV with a low centre of gravity and ideal weight distribution for stability and urban agility; and it allows for the creation of an entirely flat vehicle underbody, maximising aerodynamic performance and, hence, power efficiency.

Minimising the weight increase caused by the installation of the lithium-ion battery pack, high tensile sheet steel has been extensively used in the body shell construction, combining lightweight with high rigidity. As a result, the iQ EV weighs just 125 kg more than a standard iQ (1.3L, CVT)

High body rigidity not only improves vehicle stability and handling agility, it is also instrumental in the suppression of vibration. As a result, and in conjunction with extensive sound proofing throughout the bodyshell and cabin, the new iQ EV offers occupants the remarkably quiet exterior appropriate to an all-electric driving experience.

Exterior Design
Based on the FT-EV III concept shown at the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show, the new iQ EV exterior is hallmarked by unique styling details and the strong use of two-tone, White Pearl and Black colour to create a simple, bold design which instantly identifies the new Toyota as a highly advanced, all-electric evolution of the company's renowned city car.

To the front, a smooth, simple surface structure sees the removal of the upper grille and its replacement with a charging port lid to one side of the Toyota badge. The port lid itself has been positioned at the very front of the vehicle for maximum ease of charging cable connection within a wide range of urban parking scenarios.

Adhering to the design principles of all latest generation Toyota vehicles, the lower bumper adopts trapezoidal, Under Priority character lines and an enlarged lower grille with a gloss black finish. The grille incorporates Daytime Running Lights (DRLs) to reinforce the new Toyota EV's unique visual signature.

A new headlamp design incorporates gloss black, side extension battery cooling air inlets, whilst the interior of the projector halogen headlamp housings has also been finished in black to further strengthen the EV's visual differentiation from a standard iQ.

To the side, the black upper surfaces of the two-tone colour scheme and the blacked out B pillar emphasise the new iQ EV's sleek profile, whilst new, aluminium wheels with two-tone wheel caps reinforce the vehicle's unique, all-electric credentials.

The rear design features a black tailgate and a new, LED combination lamp design above a trapezoidal license plate mounting area within the bumper, both harmonising with the front Under Priority styling and reinforcing the iQ EV's broad, stable stance.

Aerodynamics

The iQ EV features numerous aerodynamic enhancements in the interests of maximising power efficiency. Grille openings have been reduced to a minimum and the bonnet upper surface shaped to optimise airflow over the front of the vehicle. The A pillar moulding width has been increased, the roof rear edge angled, and the rear pillar, quarter window glass and moulding shaped to help air flow separation over the top and sides of the vehicle.

The front fender wheel opening has been aerodynamically shaped, front and rear wheel spats added in three locations and even the iQ EV-unique aluminium wheel cap design itself has been aerodynamically styled to optimise the flow of air down the sides of the vehicle, minimising turbulence. Comprehensive underbody covers allied to the underside of the battery pack create a flat underfloor surface, further enhancing the aerodynamic efficiency of the new Toyota.

EV-Unique Interior Design Features

As with the exterior design, the iQ EV's interior is finished in a bold, high contrast, black and white colour scheme. The meter hood, centre console, rear console upper surface, steering wheel horn pad, passenger side dashboard ornamentation and door trim grip and shoulder panels are all finished in white to reflect the vehicle's uniquely clean, all-electric credentials.

EV-unique, partial leather seat upholstery also features contrasting black and white finishes; the seat and headrest sides in white, central areas in a dark, plug-in-theme patterned fabric with bluish-grey and white stitching.

Exclusive, premium-feel detailing includes light coloured accents to the rear console and door trim grip cover surrounds, the door handle itself, and the instrument binnacle hood.

The iQ EV features an exclusive driver's instrument binnacle with Optitron metres styled to resemble electrical componentry such as a generator turbine and printed circuitry. It incorporates a central speedometer with EV System Indicator-linked changing colour illumination, a 3.5" TFT (Thin Film Transistor) multi-information display, a compact, high contrast LCD (Liquid Crystal Display) and a plug-in indicator.

The 3.5" TFT screen displays a comprehensive variety of vehicle information. Its easy-to-read default setting shows only the basic information the driver needs; driving range, state of charge and, through the EV System Indicator, output/regeneration status.

In addition, the display may be switched through seven further screens; average/instant power consumption, post charge power consumption, electrical equipment usage information, driving range, total average vehicle speed/total driving time, EV battery information and settings.

Located at the base of the centre console and finished in blue to match the ornamentation of the EV system start/stop button and shift knob, a further cluster of four, EV-related switches control the front and rear screen defrost functions, the charging timer start function and the charging port lid opener.

Standard Equipment

Helping to maximise power efficiency, the iQ EV features a low power consumption, electric heat pump air conditioning system. The system has been designed to prioritise EV driving range.

It is allied to front seat heaters -fitted as standard- to directly warm occupants, a windscreen-mounted humidity sensor to help the system control the internal/external air mixture to minimise screen fogging, and a new Heated Windscreen Defroster (HWD) system to clear the screen without the aid of the air conditioning system. Pressing a MAX mode switch activates maximum heating or cooling performance when required.


The new Toyota EV is also equipped with a Remote Climate Control System. This allows the air conditioning to be remotely activated with the key when the vehicle is plugged in and charging. By reducing on board temperature extremes through remote activation of the system when the iQ EV is plugged in, air conditioning power consumption whilst driving is significantly reduced, extending driving range.

In addition, the iQ EV benefits from a particularly generous standard equipment package, which includes a Smart Entry & Start System, a 6-speaker audio system and Hill Start Assist.

Despite being the world's smallest four-seater EV, the new iQ EV is a equipped with a comprehensive range of advanced safety features, including VSC and nine airbags; two front, two side, one driver's knee, one passenger front seat cushion, two curtain shield and one rear window curtain shield airbags.

Powertrain and Driving Dynamics

The new Toyota iQ EV combines compact city car agility with zero emissions and the easy, silent driving style of a fully electric vehicle.

Its small, 4.1 metre turning circle gives it excellent manoeuvrability in the urban environment, and the position of the battery pack beneath the vehicle floor creates a low centre of gravity and ideal front/rear weight distribution for excellent ride comfort and agile, engaging handling.

A further development of Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive® technology, the iQ EV's fully electric powertrain comprises an air-cooled, 47 kW electric motor/generator, a 150 cell, a 12.0 kWh, 277.5 V battery pack, a 3 kW water-cooled battery charger, an inverter, an DC/DC converter and a motor speed reduction mechanism.

The motor/generator, planetary gear speed reduction mechanism and torque biasing differential are all housed in a new, ultra-compact, EV-exclusive transaxle, which combines a low centre of gravity with reduced energy losses to minimise power consumption.

Maximum torque of 163 Nm is delivered, from a standstill, to the front wheels, giving the iQ EV 0-100 km/h acceleration of 14.0 seconds and a maximum speed of 125 km/h.

The new Toyota EV generates zero CO2, NOx or particulate emissions throughout its operation. With a power consumption of 134 Wh/km, this equips the vehicle with an NEDC-certified range of 85 km between charges.

Similar to Toyota's full hybrid vehicles, the iQ EV is equipped with a regenerative braking system. When decelerating with the accelerator pedal released, the rotation of the wheels is transmitted to the motor, which acts as a generator, converting kinetic energy into electricity for storage within the battery.

When braking, the amount of energy that is recovered is determined through coordinated control with the electronically controlled brake system, optimising both braking force and energy recovery.

The iQ EV's gate-type gear shift lever offers drivers three driving ranges: D-range controls the vehicle to consume the least amount of power during city driving; S-range increases acceleration performance for brisk driving; and B-range maximises regenerative braking to extend the vehicle's driving range as far as possible.

In addition to the extensive system information provided by the EV System Indicator, an ECO Driving Indicator is also provided, helping drivers maximise the efficiency of the new Toyota EV's all electric powertrain.

Battery Charging
Via an illuminated battery charger inlet conveniently located beneath a discreet, flush-mounted panel at the front of the new iQ EV, the battery pack can be fully recharged in approximately 3 hours from a standard, 230 V household outlet.

A dedicated rapid charger compliant port is available as an option, enabling the battery to be 80% recharged in just 15 minutes, greatly enhancing the new Toyota EV's everyday practicality.

Two battery charger timer functions allow users to set either the start or the end time of battery charging. And a timer has been introduced to automatically match the charge completion time with duration of vehicle use, helping to reduce battery degradation.

The 5 metre charging cable has been designed to remain flexible even in cold weather. It incorporates a CCID (Charging Circuit Interrupter Device) to automatically block the supply of AC current in the case of electrical leakage during charging. And the plug-cord may be detached from the CCID allowing it to be changed for compatibility with outlet shapes in various countries.

Commercialisation
The iQ EV has been specifically designed as an electric city commuting vehicle for use in an urban environment - the engineering programme is complete and iQ EV is ready for production.

However Toyota has seen that many customers are not yet willing to compromise on range, and they don't like the time needed to re-charge the batteries. Moreover, the infrastructure for recharging has not become as widespread as originally anticipated.

So, even though Toyota is ready with the iQ EV, we believe a plug-in hybrid solution offers a better way than pure electric for most customer needs in the short- to medium-term, and that is where we will concentrate our commercial activities.

The Prius Plug-in Hybrid is a car that delivers the 25 kilometers of pure electric driving needed for 70% of Europe's daily journeys, and has the backup of an efficient hybrid system to deliver a range of over 1200 kilometers without recharging or refuelling.


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      Robert Fahey
      • 2 Years Ago
      Nothing wrong with pulling out. I've exercised that option myself.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Robert Fahey
        [blocked]
          Ziv
          • 2 Years Ago
          Yeah, and look where that will get you...
      noevfud
      • 2 Years Ago
      More Toyota smoke and mirrors. They have done the strategic RAV4 co-marketing booster for Tesla and CARB ploy for themselves, they act like they are not interested in EVs. and continue on battery research and EV development on the side, get lots of CARB credits and then once pack tech is improved and the market is ready they will dump EV bomb shells akin to the Prius. The Japanese are cleaver and the public falls for this BS PR just like they did for the RAV4 EV. It's all a plan. I like the fools that actually thought Toyota, the leader in hybrid drives and traction pack refinement actually needed Tesla to help them do a RAV4 conversion. Think NUMI / CARB / Tesla / Marketing brilliance. Wake up folks, it's all strategy and they have been doing a great job so far with limited investment and risk. . Follow the facts and look below the surface. All this means is they are selling cars NOW where it makes the most money and developing new products for the future and letting Nissan do the dirty work in the early entry point without significant loss on market lead. I fully expect Toyota to have EV offerings in the near future, they already have the Prius brand, reputation, and green image to use for a Prius EV or however they wish to sell it. The rest is industry white noise.
      Anthony
      • 2 Years Ago
      Sorry Toyota, but ya got caught on the back foot for once. Voltec is the future.
      wongtpa
      • 2 Years Ago
      No one wants the junk... Just look at Volt. $79,000.00 to make and sell at $40,000.00 !!! Every Volt costs us the taxpayers a bundle. Thanks Obama for nothing! The volt is like Obama, a big failure!
        Joeviocoe
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wongtpa
        Except that the statement that the Volt costs $79,000 to build.... ... Is completely fabricated. Thank you for continuing to spread lies.
        stumpy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wongtpa
        by that logic, these cars should be discontinued too, right? they're the 91 models that have sold worse than the Volt... Nissan Quest Minivan – 13,324 Volkswagen CC – 13,049 Honda Crosstour – 12,857 Lexus CT200h – 12,417 Volvo XC60 – 12,189 Nissan Xterra – 12,092 Nissan Armada – 12,002 Mazda 2 (all) – 11,973 Audi A6 (all) – 11,844 Audi A5 (all) – 11,411 Nissan Altima Hybrid – 11,320 Mazda CX7 – 11,187 Mini Clubman/Coupe/Roadster/Convertible (combined) – 10,742 Range Rover Sport – 9,949 Dodge Caliber (all) – 9,843 Corvette (all) – 9,219 Honda Ridgeline – 9,169 Porsche Cayenne (all) – 8,964 Mazda 5 (all) – 8,861 Toyota FJ Cruiser – 8,733 Subaru WRX (incl STi)- 8,450 Toyota Sequoia (all) – 8,273 Lexus RX450h Hybrid – 7,917 BMW 7-series (all) – 7,639 Scion XD (all) – 7,483 VW Routan (all) – 7,424 Mercedes S-Class (all) – 7,289 Ford Fusion Hybrid – 7,168 Kia Optima Hybrid – 7,005 VW Golf TDi Diesel – 7,002 Lexus GX (all) – 6,772 BMW X5 Diesel – 6,679……<<– VOLT has sold DOUBLE or more Volvo XC90 (all) – 6,478 Audi Q7 (all) – 6,291 VW Touareg (all) – 6,284 Smart (all) – 6,281 Infiniti M (all) – 6,259 Porsche 911 (all) – 6,145 Hyundai Veracruz – 6,116 Toyota Prius PHEV – 6,068 Infiniti FX (all) – 5,803 Nissan 370Z (all) – 5,663 Audi A7 (all) – 5,531 Range Rover – 5,490 Mercedes CLS (all) – 5,400 Porsche Panamera (all) – 5,378 Nissan Cube – 5,297 Honda Civic Hybrid – 5,168 BMW 1-series (all) – 5,020 Lincoln MKT (all) – 4,990 Lincoln Navigator (all) – 4,976 Audi A3 (all) – 4,944 Land Rover LR4 – 4,885 BMW 6-series (all) – 4,873 Honda Insight Hybrid – 4,801 VW EOS (all) – 4,799 Mazda Miata (all) – 4,576 Lexus LS (all) – 4,358……<<– VOLT has sold TRIPLE or more Nissan Leaf – 4,228 Toyota Highlander Hybrid – 3,969 Jaguar XF (all) – 3,951 Mercedes ML350 BlueTec Diesel – 3,933 BMW X6 (all) – 3,614 Volvo XC70 (all) – 3,578 Volvo C70 (all) – 3,530 Jaguar XJ (all) – 3,515 Audi A8 (all) – 3,419 Lexus LX (all) – 3,388……<<– VOLT has sold QUADRUPLE or more Honda CRZ Hybrid – 3,126 Mercedes SLK (all) – 2,872 Acura TSX Wagon – 2,736 Mercedes SL (all) – 2,628……<<– VOLT has sold 5X or more Volvo S80 (all) – 2,442 Infiniti EX (all) – 2,227……<< 6X Land Rover LR2 – 2,038 Volvo C30 – 1,967 Mercedes E350 BlueTec Diesel – 1,823 Toyota Land Cruiser – 1,767……<< 7X BMW Z4 (all) – 1,765 Audi TT (all) – 1,512……<< 8X Mercedes R-Class (all) – 1,416……<< 9X Porsche Boxster (all) – 1,363 Ford Escape Hybrid – 1,248……<< 10X Jaguar XK (all) – 1,080 Nissan GT-R – 849 BMW 335d Diesel – 711 Acura ZDX – 594 Mercedes CL-Class (all) – 490 Porsche Cayman (all) – 429 Lexus GS450h Hybrid – 338 Acura RL – 295
          tnflapjack
          • 2 Years Ago
          @stumpy
          Did you misread his logic perhaps? Whether true or not, I don't know, but his statement is the volt cost 79,000 dollars to build, but sell at a loss for $40,000. Although a you've put together a pretty time consuming list, it has nothing to do with the amount of money lost on each vehicle sold that I can tell.
          stumpy
          • 2 Years Ago
          @stumpy
          tnflapjack please explain how building the volt costs taxpayers? GM has already paid back all of its TARP money PLUS INTEREST. A tax credit is not costing any taxpayer any extra money. It's as much of a tax exemption as a charitable contribution is... And in case you were unaware Toyota lost BILLIONS on the first gen Prius, but just look how profitable the Prius Lineup and Hybrid Synergy Drive has been for them! There are now 4 Prii and a range of other toyota/lexus hybrids based on the technology. I dont' know about you, but I for one would like to see GM SUCCEED with it's new and incredibly innovative, game-changing technology. So don't be so short sighted. It's not always about tomorrows profits or even next years. Just like with Hybird Synergy Drive profits are 3 - 7 years off. But investment in Volt-tec is an investment in this country's future. Bottom Line. The Volt is nowhere close to being a failure. People WANT the Volt and will only want it in increasing numbers. So yeah, GM might be losing money on the first generation Volt, but the same is true of any other company trying to make incredibly revolutionary technology available for mass consumption. Volt-tec will be Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive.
        captnbaja
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wongtpa
        The Volt is not quite the failure Obama is. Romney 2012!
          design eye
          • 2 Years Ago
          @captnbaja
          Romney=Bush=Fail, again! Are you stupid?
        Spec
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wongtpa
        What does Obama have do with anything? The Volt was designed during the Bush administration, it was championed by Republican climate-change denier Bob Lutz, the $7500 tax-credit was signed into law by George W Bush. How does Obama fit in? Oh, that's right, the Obama car czar actually tried to kill the Volt program during the bankruptcy discussions but the GM people (wisely, IMHO) insisted that it was very important for GM's future product lines.
        tump
        • 2 Years Ago
        @wongtpa
        You'be better brace yourself for more of him, then.
      xfk
      • 2 Years Ago
      If Obama gets in office again gas will be 6.00 a gallon by the end of 2013
        stumpy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @xfk
        under bush gas prices rose from $1.60 / gallon to $4.40 / gallon. I didn't hear conservatives blaming the president for gas prices then... i don't blame bush for the gas prices increasing... nor do i blame obama for gas prices now. That's because Obama and Bush have as much to do with the price of Gas as they do with the price of a bushel of apples.
          • 2 Years Ago
          @stumpy
          [blocked]
          montoym
          • 2 Years Ago
          @stumpy
          The price rose that high for a few weeks during a single summer. But hey, whatever drives the talking point I guess. Compare that to now when prices have been above $3/gal since about the beginning of 2011 whereas they only spiked above$3/gal for the summer of '07 and the summer of '08 during all 8yrs of Bush. I can even link to a chart if you don't believe it: http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us All that said, I do agree that neither president can directly influence prices. But, I can definitely tell you that one side is interested in lower prices while the other is fine with the higher prices. So, while they may not cause the price increases, there are dramatically different takes on what to do about them.
        Joeviocoe
        • 2 Years Ago
        @xfk
        Yes, because Oil companies have historically lowered prices right before a major election, to take eyes off the problem. The voting masses are so shortsighted, they forget easily. Many voters would vote for democrat if gasoline prices were naturally high, because democrats would not mind making legislation that actually reduced dependence on Oil. They like to raise CAFE standards too. They like to give money to renewables, etc. It is just good business to "flex" the market when the political heat is on. Nothing wrong or evil. Just that if voters aren't as upset about gasoline, the elected president won't be pressured to act as much. After the election, business as usual. After all, they need to go back to making record profits, you know, to make up for the losses they take for lowering prices before a major election.
        Joeviocoe
        • 2 Years Ago
        @xfk
        Yes, because Oil companies have historically lowered prices right before a major election, to take eyes off the problem. The voting masses are so shortsighted, they forget easily. Many voters would vote for democrat if gasoline prices were naturally high, because democrats would not mind making legislation that actually reduced dependence on Oil. They like to raise CAFE standards too. They like to give money to renewables, etc. It is just good business to "flex" the market when the political heat is on. Nothing wrong or evil. Just that if voters aren't as upset about gasoline, the elected president won't be pressured to act as much. After the election, business as usual. After all, they need to go back to making record profits, you know, to make up for the losses they take for lowering prices before a major election.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @xfk
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          Joeviocoe
          • 2 Years Ago
          It does not help educate against right wing vitriol and hyperbole.... by creating left wing versions of the same.
        design eye
        • 2 Years Ago
        @xfk
        BAAAAAAAAAA
      screanam
      • 2 Years Ago
      First GM, now Toyota. All these car companies killing their next generation "Green" cars. I think the auto industry is anticipating a new oil friendly president come November. One can only hope.
        MTN RANGER
        • 2 Years Ago
        @screanam
        GM? They're actually coming out with more Voltec models like the ELR and Volt 2.0.
      nsxrules
      • 2 Years Ago
      This is not surprising given how badly the Volt has failed despite GM spending as much as $10,000 in incentives: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120922/AUTO0103/209220373/1148/?source=nletter-auto Detroit — General Motors rolled out the Chevrolet Volt two years ago with lofty sales goals and the promise of a new technology that someday would help end America's dependence on oil. So it seemed like a good thing in August when sales of the $40,000 car set a monthly record of 2,800. But a closer look shows that things aren't what they seem for the cutting-edge car. Sales rose mostly because of discounts of almost $10,000, or 25 percent of the Volt's sticker price, according to figures from TrueCar.com, an auto pricing website. Other pricing services gave similar numbers, and dealers confirmed that steeply discounted Volts are selling better than a few months ago. GM's discounts on the Volt are more than four times the industry's per-vehicle average, according to TrueCar estimates. Edmunds.com and J.D. Power and Associates say they're about three times the average. Discounts include low-interest financing, cash discounts to buyers, sales bonuses to dealers, and subsidized leases.
        Actionable Mango
        • 2 Years Ago
        @nsxrules
        NSXrules, The Volt is outselling the NSX quite handily.
        stumpy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @nsxrules
        so the 91 other cars on sale in the US that the Volt sold better than are also failures? it's not the technology, it's the price point. But just like cell phones, laptops, flat screen TVs, and let's not forget... the first "horseless carriages" – prices will come down. I think someone has been watching too much Faux News and reading too many Op-Ed pieces in Forbes.
        montoym
        • 2 Years Ago
        @nsxrules
        WTF does this have to do with the Volt at all? Read the quote, "Toyota has seen that many customers are not yet willing to compromise on range, and they don't like the time needed to re-charge the batteries." The Volt doesn't have a range problem, it will go as far as a full tank of gas will take you, about 300mi or so based on the 9gal tank. The iQ EV, however, will stop after abotu 50miles and then needs a recharge. Maybe you are still somehow confused about how the Volt works despite about 5yrs worth of info on the subject. You give us conservative a bad name.
        DaveMart
        • 2 Years Ago
        @nsxrules
        I'm not sure which bits you missed in Toyota's comment that they are going for hybrids, and actually plug ins too, and it is just BEVs which they are not convinced about. In view of this your comments on the Volt are a non sequitur.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @nsxrules
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      Mercer
      • 2 Years Ago
      EV is irrelevant unless it can refuel as quick as fossil fuel.
        Generic
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Mercer
        Why? Do you fill up every time you leave the house? If you had a fuel tank at home, would you need to fill up when your out during normal usage? In all honesty, the range of the Nissan Leaf would work for me for 99% of the time. It's the price and quality issues that are the problem, not the EV part of it. For the other times I need to go farther, I can use my paid off gasoline car. The range of this iQ does seem to be an issue, but EVs in general would be great. Only the media claims customers have range anxiety. I only fill up once every two weeks. I don't need a massive range and many others don't either. I know who really doesn't want EVs to take off. Big oil companies. Keep using our products because EV technology will never be good enough and no one really wants it.
          Mercer
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Generic
          Lol. If my iPhone ran out of juice, I just cut off my communication from the rest of the world, but it won't leave me on the roadside calling a tow truck. And like all who have used electronics, battery lies and battery dies. Again, I just can't see the upside as a consumer to jump into the new technologies when the current ones are still very very good (and relatively cheaper if you, like me, consider buying an used car).
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Generic
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          montoym
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Generic
          Well, you have to fuel up before you leave the house or you'll have a much higher chance of running out of charge when you'd rather not. While you can ask that question, I'll ask another. In your ICE vehicle, do you always leave your house with 1 or 2 gallons of gasoline in the tank? That's roughly the equivalent amount of energy available in the average EV and it's a big reason why you need to have a full charge before you leave home in order to feel comfortable getting to your destination. Maybe not you specifically, but the average consumer anyhow. I'm not anti-EV, but I definitely feel that until a mainstream EV can offer 100-200miles of comfortable range, not hypermiled range, but HVAC, Radio, and no performance limitation kind of range, for a decent price, they are going to remain a slim seller. There's very little reason to fork over that much more money for a vehicle that isn't as capable as what's already out there for a cheaper price. Like it or not, people hate to compromise, and the current limitations of EV's are a big compromise for most people whether you thinks so or not.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Mercer
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          montoym
          • 2 Years Ago
          Well, I could argue that nobody is selling EV's now either. At least not in statistically important numbers. Even hybrids account for only about 4% of vehicles sold and they have a huge head start over EVs. EVs will be an even smaller chunk of that market.
          montoym
          • 2 Years Ago
          Maybe, but I've been hearing that same thing for 20+yrs now and it still hasn't happened. We'll see.
          Joeviocoe
          • 2 Years Ago
          Since we are talking specifically about the Technology, not the popularity.... Technological achievements can take off now, because of serial production. Testing real vehicles in real situations. Having a volume high enough to get statistically relevant data. The technological improvements moving forward, have little, to nothing to do with how many other cars there are on the roads of the planet. Becoming a significant percentage of TOTAL cars... is a more a matter of time..... because the turnaround time for automobiles is 7 - 10 years. So even if an EV today had 500 mile range and 5 min recharge time... it would still take decades to replace global automobiles. And because production takes years to ramp up... it would take at least that long before sales would reflect. The difference is getting off the drawing board, out of the lab, off the test track... and on to roads. THAT makes it the beginning of the EV tech market. EVs are no longer Vaporware, which WAS the case in the 90's, when home conversions vastly out numbered factory built EVs.
      TB
      • 2 Years Ago
      Good....we have enough Prius garage fires as it is.....and insufficient electric infrastructure anyhow.
      • 2 Years Ago
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        Joeviocoe
        • 2 Years Ago
        "Everybody has misread the Demand" No, actually, they misread how inexpensive gasoline has been since the recession. Demand is fluid, and based on many external factors.
        Joeviocoe
        • 2 Years Ago
        No... people haven't "misread demand"... they misread the "LOW GASOLINE PRICES".
        • 2 Years Ago
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          stumpy
          • 2 Years Ago
          not every company has profits in the trillions of dollars... not every company is attempting to lay waste to our national parks... not every company after receiving these kind of "deductions" still sells their product to us at an extremely high profit margin. and whoever said i was a liberal? i never announced any party affiliation. And whoever said i worshiped obama? stop putting words in my mouth. Why are you fighting so hard against new technology that was developed here at home by some of the worlds best and brightest engineers? Why fight so hard against technology that will LOWER OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL and allow us to power ourselves on domestically produced sources of energy? Why fight so hard against 100+ MPG? Why fight against the best weapon against Terrorism??? You nut jobs freak me out with the lack of thought you put behind any of your empty words. The Volt program began well before Obama. It's not "Obama's Car", it's America's Car. The Volt and the Model S are two cars that truly make me proud to be an American. I don't see anything wrong with a government offering tax credits for cars that will revolutionize the way Americans transport themselves from point A to point B. Or in fact any technology that will free us from our ties and loyalties to OPEC... that means solar, wind, geothermal, and nuclear.
          Joeviocoe
          • 2 Years Ago
          SonataGuy... yes, we have been through this over and over again. The tax breaks are not necessarily special ONLY to Oil companies... but you spout an Equally False Lie when you say, "deductions that EVERY company in USA gets" No... there are special detuctions that only manufacturing industry companies get, such as, "DOMESTIC ACTIVITIES DEDUCTION". People argue that Oil Production is Not "Manufacturing". Also, INTANGIBLE DRILLING COSTS... are a tax break deduction that most cannot regular manufacturing companies cannot even claim. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/us-obama-energy-idUSBRE82S11P20120329
          • 2 Years Ago
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      Ryan
      • 2 Years Ago
      Don't they have to make them and sell them before they know that the demand isn't there? For 90% of trips this car would be fine for most single people and couples.
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Ryan
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      throwback
      • 2 Years Ago
      Can't blame them, why over produce a product that has limited sales potential? The RAV4 Ev has more sales potential.
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