There's been debate about whether the 2013 Porsche 911 GT3 will come with a manual transmission or PDK only. Inside Line has said that only one transmission will come to market, and the 911's product chief, August Achleitner, told IL that both transmissions were being tested but that it looked like the PDK would get the nod. Few outside Porsche testing facilities know what the answer final is, but thanks to some spy video, we now know what a PDK-equipped GT3 would sound like.

Other speculation surrounding the everyday racer says that it will be 150 to 200 pounds lighter than the preceding generation, and that its engine has been moved forward a bit to improve handling. Power output is expected to be around 480 horsepower, leaving room for the GT3 RS to hit the 500-hp mark. Check out the video below for the sights and sounds – and note what looks like a Gurney flap on the prototype's unique rear wing.



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      marshknute
      • 2 Years Ago
      If the GT3 does come ONLY with a PDK, it will mark one of the darkest days in automotive history. The GT3 was always the most tactile analog sports car available. It is THE car of choice for anyone in the Porsche Club of America simply b/c it connects the driver to the road/track in a way that no other car can. It's one thing to offer the PDK on a Carrera, which must be able to offer speed, economy, luxury and daily usability. The GT3 was never intended to be a daily driver. It sacrifices comfort in favor of becoming a specialized track vehicle that can be used on public roads if need be (hence why it is so popular in the Porsche Club). The GT3 has always been the benchmark track car, not b/c it was 1.4027592 seconds faster than the competition, but rather b/c it was the most engaging and rewarding to drive quickly. My most memorable automotive experience was executing 3 consecutive heel-toe downshifts into Pocono's Devil's Elbow in a 2004 GT3. I've driven the 2013 Boxster S PDK, and know exactly what journalists are talking about when they gush over its lightning-quick gearchanges. That said, its like a roller coaster: fast and exciting the first time, but boring and unengaging after the initial hype wears off. A manual transmission may be slower, less efficient and occasionally frustrating, but it is a labor of love and no PDK can ever reward the driver in the same way as a manual can. Of course, this isn't to say that the GT3 shouldn't be available with a PDK. Porsche has extensive options lists which allow drivers to build their cars a la carte. I can't imagine why they can't offer BOTH transmissions and charge a premium to the lower production unit. There's no reason to go the VW route of offering only one transmission on a performance model (R32 mk5 and R mk6).
        FuelToTheFire
        • 2 Years Ago
        @marshknute
        You answered your own question. This is a TRACK vehicle. Track oriented sports cars NEED a dual clutch. They shift much faster and it is easier to actually drive the car fast than having to be bothered by the gear changes. Ever wonder why F1 uses automanuals? On the otherhand, the regular Carrera, a grand tourer, should be only offered with a dual clutch as well. It is a luxury grand tourer. This class of car is designed to be fast, but easy to drive, and laid back. A dual clutch is defintely fast when you want it to, but it is much safer and more convenient to use in everyday driving, where a grand tourer is designed to be used. So, let's see. The GT3 and Turbo shouldn't have manuals because they are track cars, and PDK cars are MUCH faster and more convenient to use in racing. 911 Carreras shouldn't have manuals either, because dual clutches are much safer in everyday driving and make the drive more laid back, like it should be in a grand tourer. So shouldn't Porsche just disconinue manual transmissions once and for all?
          bouljf
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          @ FuelToTheFire You completely missed marshknute’s point; the goal isn’t to go around the track faster it’s to challenge yourself, weekend after weekend, year after year, to become a better driver and one with your machine. A track day isn’t an F1 race; you are not Lewis Hamilton who, by the way, ordered his Zonda with a stick. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/26/lewis-hamilton-orders-custom-pagani-zonda-with-760-hp-and-manual/
          bouljf
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          Rowing your own gears is an extra hurdle you have to master when going around a track. The perfect heel and toe takes a lot of practice to get right, you feel proud when you finally do it. The transmission (or any part of the car for that matter) can’t make you a better driver; mastering its use through hours of practice will however make you a better driver.
          ChrisDPrice
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          Your arguments have been of a mental nature, not the arguments of someone who has competently mastered a manual transmission in a fun, powerful car. Come back when you have new arguments -- based on your experience with actually driving a manual transmission car on the track -- not racing, but at a track day event.
          k_m94
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          No they dont
          wsbfan
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          Yes
      Derek
      • 2 Years Ago
      I'm a diehard manual guy but damn that does shift quick.
      Peter_G
      • 2 Years Ago
      I hope in "moving the engine" forward means that you no longer have to dismantle your entire rear end just to get at your oil filter like the base 991 model. -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnfp6eoI14Y
      FuelToTheFire
      • 2 Years Ago
      I'm glad that automakers are coming to their senses and killing outdated manuals. Kudos, Porshce. Let's face it. Manuals are the worst of all worlds. Automatics and dual clutches get much better mileage, which is a neccesity for sports car makers with rising CAFE standards.Dual clutches shift much faster than manuals and are all but mandatory at the track.Plus, automatics and dual clutches are much safer to use. Manuals require you to take your attention off the road, which can be potentially dangerous. Automatics are also easier to use in heavy traffic. And it is much easier and safer to multitask while driving an automatic. While driving, sometimes you have to multitask, whether calling or texting or eating a burger.It is dangerous to do that with a manual transmission. Don't tell me about how manuals are SOOO fun to drive. I simply don't get how moving a lever and pressing down a foot pedalcan be considered "fun".I'd much rather experiance the pure feeling of going fast without being bothered by the gear changes. Overall, I don't get who would buy a manual transmission in today's day and age. Definitely not an enthusiast-a real enthusiast would always pick the faster shifting transmission. Come on, guys, it's the 21st century. Autos don't suck anymore. Nowdays you can go faster AND it can be easier with a dual clutch. What's not to like? Downvote me if you like, but realize that you manual fanboys are the minority.
        quackmanquackman
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        "Don't tell me about how manuals are SOOO fun to drive. I simply don't get how moving a lever and pressing down a foot pedalcan be considered "fun".I'd much rather experiance the pure feeling of going fast without being bothered by the gear changes." Even YOU admit that you just don't get it. So stop pretending like it doesn't exist just because you can't enjoy it. If a "real enthusiast" would ALWAYS pick the "fastest" as you say, then wouldn't everyone just be driving ONE car, always the newest thing? I bet you a ton of enthusiasts would pick, for example, the E39 M5 over the new one. Why, because the E39 is faster? no.... because it's more fun, and to a significant number of people that's more important than "Ooooo it's faster!" Just because you callout in advance that people are going to downvote you doesn't make what you said any more true than you think it is.
        evannever
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        @TrollToTheFire, We get it, YOU DON'T GET MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS, the concept is BEYOND YOU. Same tired points, different thread, though at least this time you didn't try to justify reckless behavior.
        Miami996
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        Obviously you have no idea WTF you are talking about and I'll keep my Porsche manual thank you very much.
          Carma Racing
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Miami996
          For cars that aren't really that fast, manuals are fine, but with really high power to weight ratios, the time to shift starts to become a significant % of the time spent accelerating, and a manual becomes a liability. Look at any modern race car where the rules allow assisted shifting - no clutch for up or down shifts.
        k_m94
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        My phone is brilliant at everytging except allowing me to thumbs up or down without hitting the other one or the reply button. Damn thing upvoted your tiresomely idiotic excuse at trolling. I bet the rightful downvotes will rain down upon your sad little anti fun parade. This is the exact same comment (word for word) you posted on earlier articles, do you just keep it pasted on a Word file saved on a USB of crap that you pull out of your stinker? We knew the first time that you are a terrible driver (wanting to multitask behind the wheel but dont want to put down the phone to shift a lever) that is if you even know how to drive at all.
        wsbfan
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FuelToTheFire
        I won't buy anything with a conventional automatic, but I'm looking forward to my first dual-clutch trans in the next few years...maybe even PDK.
      Schadenfreude
      • 2 Years Ago
      Electric steering....check PDK......check thank you, ill be holding onto my 6 SPEED MANUAL 2011 997.2 GT3 save the manuals
      Nick Allain
      • 2 Years Ago
      It amazes me how easily and precisely Porsche churns out models. Not that it's a bad thing, just get's a little old.
      Big Rocket
      • 2 Years Ago
      If Porsche is serious about improving the handling of the 911, then it needs to look no further than the Cayman with its rear mid-engine placement, tradition be damned.
      Jonathan Wayne
      • 2 Years Ago
      A GT3 with PDK? That just does not seem right.
      k_m94
      • 2 Years Ago
      A GT3 without a manual transmission even as an option. It's going to be a cold day in automotive hell. FuelToTheFire, remember to pack a sweater.
      WindsWilling
      • 2 Years Ago
      Another lost "purist" vehicle. Dark days. Nothing really left to us who still enjoy rowing our own gears... Oddly enough, I find myself being drawn to an Ariel Atom for the track these days.
      k_m94
      • 2 Years Ago
      Electric steering is bad enough on the new 911, as it's still pretty good and the rest of the car is perfect. But no manual transmission on the GT3 is sacrilege, pure and simple. There's nothing wrong with PDK, it's one of the best dual clutch units in the business and it will match the fuel economy of an equal geared manual while offering lightning quick shifts. In fact, many agree that it's a more desirable transmission in the 991 Carrera S than the manual because the shift action isn't Porsche's best (the Boxster's is) and the 7th gear is redundant. But a GT3 is no ordinary Carrera that must split duty as a cruiser, luxury car, retirement toy, and sports car. It's job is all out sports car, but with less than 500hp it will never set lap records like the GT2 or 10.X second quarter times like the Turbo.
        k_m94
        • 2 Years Ago
        @k_m94
        I'm sorry, I didnt finish my comment. Nobody buys a GT3 to smoke musclecars at stoplights or brag about Nurburgring laptimes, so why get rid of one of the things that really defined the GT3, the simple, analogue road racer feel complete with a solid manual transmission? And electric steering... if they wanted to save 0.1 mpg I rather they lost 10hp rather than mess with Porsche's signature direct hydraulic steering feel by electrifying. Not that electric steering is by necessity such a huge downgrade in tactility (aka numb) but when you give engineers the option to drown out feedback they deem "unnecessary" then it gets tricky. Nobody wants a wheel sawing in their hands after running over a hairline crack, but it's good to feel the road surface interacting with the tires a little, especially in a GT3, right?
        Hatzenbach
        • 2 Years Ago
        @k_m94
        no it won't set lap records like the GT2 or drive as fast in a straight line as the turbo, but it will be the best and most reliable "out of the box" trackmachine that money can buy.
        FuelToTheFire
        • 2 Years Ago
        @k_m94
        K_m94, from looking at your comments,it's easy to tell that you are not a real car enthusiast. It is obvious that you are just hating to hate.Every single one of your posts is a rant against AWD, dual clutches, or such. It doesn't takea genius to figure out that you are just a troll, seeking attention. This is a car enthusiast blog, and you seem to hate on whatever is hot in the car enthusiastic world. In a previous post, you admitted that you are only 16 years old. Did you know that? SIXTEEN YEARS OLD! This asshat thinks he's so smart and that he knows everything about cars, but he probably doesn't have a driving license. More likely than not, he just got banned from 4chan or Neopets and is looking to troll elsewhere.
          evannever
          • 2 Years Ago
          @FuelToTheFire
          @k_m94 Any post that starts with "Bitch please" and then rips on an r-tard like FTTF gets an uprate from me regardless of the age of the poster. I'll also add that anyone reading FTTF's posts who ACTUALLY HAS track experience knows he most likely doesn't.
      evannever
      • 2 Years Ago
      Best (read: most idiotic) post so far: "I fail to see how manuals make you a better driver." Are there any HPDE instructors who'd like to weigh in on that one?
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