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The Fisker Karma fire that led to another recall has resulted in another interesting development: the owners of the burnt car has proven their love for the company with cold, hard cash. According to the Orange County Register, Rudy and Wendy Burger support the idea behind the Fisker Karma so much that – despite the famous flare-up – they will soon invest in the automotive company, which is indeed looking for money.

The pair had actually been considering making the investment earlier, but never got around to it. They were in regular contact with the company, though, calling to ask about various dashboard lights. As Wendy told the OCR, "It's also a new way of driving. You have to retrain yourself. You get in the habit of calling them." They didn't call about the fan that ended up causing the fire, even though it did act different in the days leading up to the fire, continueing to run long after the car was shut off.

Rudy remains confident in the company he's about to give money to, telling the OCR, "I am not concerned about the recalls. Every car company in the world has had recalls. My rationale for investing is very simple ... to make money. I think that Fisker is going to do well in the market."


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      Marco Polo
      • 2 Years Ago
      Now that's a ringing endorsement of the Karma's appeal to owners ! Well done Rudy and Wendy Burger, not just for buying another Karma, but investing in Fisker as well. I would say that trumps all the hate mail, and wild exaggerations from all those who have never owned a Karma. It also shows that for those who like Fisker, a few minor glitches, don't mean much. Peter Scott, here's two folk who don't agree that Fisker is an embarrassment ! Maybe, because the actually own one ! Oh, and Bobfests comment, should provide interesting reading ! But with so few EV and EV models on the market, it's pretty sad to see ABG stalwarts like Spec, joining in with the rednecks and gloating at the misfortunes of any car using EV technology. Especially marques selling in selling in respectable numbers.
      • 2 Years Ago
      Libruls are pretty dense ... only an idiot would buy a Fisker or invest in that company.
        brotherkenny4
        • 2 Years Ago
        Yes, those collug edumacated Libruls and there hy falutin ideologicated brain workins.
      Spec
      • 2 Years Ago
      He thinks the cars are quite hot.
      Ele Truk
      • 2 Years Ago
      As Wendy told the OCR, "It's also a new way of driving. You have to retrain yourself. You get in the habit of calling them." Wow, that speaks volumes about the car, doesn't it? I can't remember the last time I had to call a car manufacturer about how to drive my car.
        PeterScott
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Ele Truk
        Ele, That actually fits perfectly with what Fisker is doing. Making early adopter beta testers for their product. Here is what they said about some other faults customers ran into(dash going dead while driving): http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1073892_dead-fisker-karmas-one-may-be-a-fluke-but-is-two-a-trend "We rely on our early customers to identify issues like this for us," Russell Datz, Fisker's director of corporate communications, said cheerfully at the time. So when you buy a Fisker, you don't just get a car, you become a beta tester for Fisker. So having them on the speed dial is definitely important. I mean how else would Fisker find bugs in their cars except selling them to customers, and have them discover them while driving down the road. ;) But I share this feeling also in the linked green car reports: "On the other hand, the company will say only that it's delivered a few hundred Karmas--which means the universe of cars that can fail is very, very small. And we get a queasy feeling about the level of development and quality assurance in the Fisker Karma overall."
        Marcopolo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Ele Truk
        @ Ele Truk, Perhaps if you had included the full quote, your mystery might be explained ! [quote] "It's also a new way of driving. You have to retrain yourself," she said, noting the car includes paddles on the steering wheel that can maximize fuel efficiency. "You get in the habit of calling them.'' [/quote] Makes a difference, eh ? ( BMW experienced the same customer response to it's paddles, and new transmissions) .
          Rotation
          • 7 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          Okay Letstakeawalk, fair enough. I looked at Fisker's site and did not see mention of the paddles altering the regenerative braking. They didn't highlight it well, but in the end the fault is with me, I didn't find it.
          Letstakeawalk
          • 7 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          The paddles on the Karma also change the degree of regenerative braking. They have a direct effect of the amount of energy regenerated when going downhill or coming to a stop. The amount of regenerative braking the driver chooses affects the overall efficiency of the Karma's AER operation.
          Letstakeawalk
          • 7 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          "Hill Mode" usage is described in the Owner's Manual. Page 2.3 and page 5.24. "HILL mode simulates the engine braking you would experience on a traditional vehicle when descending a hill and increases the amount of energy generated through regenerative braking. HILL mode has two operating levels which simulate different levels of engine braking. With a little bit of practice, you will come to understand which operating mode is most suitable for the terrain you are driving. To select HILL mode, briefly pull the right hand paddle towards you and release. The instrument cluster will display the word HILL and the mode indicator in the center of the speedometer will display 1. To increase the level of engine braking, pull and release the paddle again. The mode indicator will display 2. To deselect HILL mode and return to the previously selected drive mode, pull and release the paddle again. Note: If the vehicle is operating in HILL mode 1, either operate the paddle twice in quick succession or pull and hold the paddle to deselect HILL mode." http://resources.fiskerautomotive.com/static/downloads/en-us/pdf/2012/karma/2012_Fisker_Karma_Owner_Handbook.pdf
          Rotation
          • 7 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          Nope. The reason I would have to get in the habit of calling a car company is beyond me. And I have a car with paddles like BMW's, no problems figuring that out. Note that the paddles on the steering wheel of the Karma don't maximize efficiency, they maximize power. You can use the paddles to toggle between EV mode (all electric) and sport mode (drains the battery and the gas tank at once, a special energy-hogging mode not available on other EREVs). There is no circumstance under which switching to sport mode maximizes efficiency.
      • 2 Years Ago
      Libruls are pretty dense ... only an idiot would buy a Fisker or invest in that company. Good job, Obama, outsourcing those jobs to Finland with our US taxpayer money. Impeach Obama.
      Rotation
      • 2 Years Ago
      Fisker was very smart to get the owner on their side this time instead of insulting him. It's still a PR stunt though.
        Marco Polo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Rotation
        @ Rotation, Let's face it, if Henrick Fisker proved he could walk on water, you'd only sneer it was because he couldn't swim ! You have no evidence to prove such allegations against Rudy and Wendy Burger, so who's being hypocritical ?
          Nick
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Rotation You make an allegation, and 5 seconds later, ask what allegation you made? Please get a GED before posting.
          Rotation
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          The PR Stunt thing is an allegation toward Fisker. Investing isn't a PR stunt, turning it into a press event is. Enter Fisker.
          Letstakeawalk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          "It's still a PR stunt though." Sounds like you're alleging that the Burgers are participating in a PR "stunt", which implies that they views and opinions they express are not sincere.
          Rotation
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Where did I make allegations against Rudy and Wendy Burger? What allegations did I make exactly?
          Marcopolo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @ Rotation, The publicity was not a 'PR' stunt by Fisker, but the result of an interview given by Wendy Burger to Ian Hamilton a reporter with the Orange County Register. That interview was picked up by the on-line media. [excerpt] "[Fisker] tried very hard to make the ultimate environmentally friendly car," said Wendy Burger told the OC Register. "Their intent to me is the thing we should all be supporting if you can afford to. And the fact that it's a new technology means you're going to have to spend a little effort supporting it." With that sort of sentiment, and the fact that Mr. Burger is a managing partner at Woodside Capital, an investment bank in Silicon Valley, it will be unsurprising to learn the couple had already been planning to invest in Fisker Automotive, and that they are going ahead with investing. [/] Wendy went on to say that her only concern, was getting Fisker to paint her new Karma, the same "deep ocean'' blue colour. !
          Rotation
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Well Nick, funny thing, my query returned useful info. It resulted in my finding out that Marco Polo thinks I was making allegations against the Burgers when I was not. My query allowed me to clarify the situation. And look, we both did it without hurling insults at others!
          Marco Polo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          @Rotation Ian Hamilton of the Orange County Register, was the first person to interview Rudy and Wendy Burger. What on earth is so hard to believe that these people are intelligent,genuine, honest fans of their car, and not some kind of brainwashed pawns you are making them out to be ?
          Rotation
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Marcopolo: You have your interpretation, I have mine. I was referring to Fisker clearly moving to butter up the Burgers before this interview even happened. If you believe that Fisker did this, then yes, it was a PR stunt by Fisker. If you don't believe that Fisker did this then no, there was no PR stunt by Fisker. We differ on this belief apparently.
      Sasparilla Fizz
      • 2 Years Ago
      Wow...... This company that has had repeated quality issues, isn't making money and isn't close to it and it was his car that burnt up on the video....and this guy thinks this is a good investment? This is called betting on the long shot, with physical issues, at the horse track. I hope Fisker makes it, but I wouldn't consider an investment in them at this point as anything other than an impending total loss. If you want to play with fire, go for a company that isn't having so much consistent trouble, but its still playing with fire (with regard to risk) - Tesla.
        brotherkenny4
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Sasparilla Fizz
        What's the price of FSKR? A 100 shares is an investment, but wouldn't break anyone even if a total loss. For many a 1000 shares would still be in the play money range.
          PR
          • 2 Years Ago
          @brotherkenny4
          Fisker is a private company, so it doesn't have any public traded shares, if that is what you are asking.
          brotherkenny4
          • 2 Years Ago
          @brotherkenny4
          PR, thanks. Yes and no. I was trying to imply that small risky investments can sometimes be capable of huge returns. Anyone who invests should in fact have a small portion of their portfolio that is dedicated to high risk investments. It should clearly be less than 10%. This is all standard investment practice. Fisker is actually a good investment as a small high risk portion of a portfolio precisely because it is a large change in the status quo. Actually I think Tesla is a little better, because i personally think it has a better chance to succeed, but Fisker could too. So, the overall point is, if the Burgers are investing a small percentage of their investment portfolio, then even if the lose it all it could be considered good as part of a coherant investment portfolio. Typically you only have to hit a few high risk investments to more than pay for the instances where you loose.
          PR
          • 2 Years Ago
          @brotherkenny4
          Ah. That makes sense. I agree completely.
      • 2 Years Ago
      Marco Polo, I would say that you are an idiot as well. Fisker is an embarassment to our nation. Obama has pissed away American taxpayer money on a losing situation that has outsourced jobs to Finland. Tesla has a cumulative loss of about $1 Billion. Solyndra is bankrupt, along with several other Obama failures. Let us know how your Fisker investment works out, HamBurgers. LOL@U2 BTW, English much there, Parco Molo? :)
        Marcopolo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @ Bad Karma Thank you for your application. I regret to inform you that you were unsuccessful. At the present time the position of village idiot, and resident troll have both been filled, and ABG does not have a budget to employ Fox New's wannabe's with so many volunteers to choose from. Good luck, with you applications to other forums.
        Ele Truk
        • 2 Years Ago
        Wow, all that straight from FOX News, and all entirely incorrect. The Fisker loan was part of the Bush program, and they've only taken $193 million of the loan. Tesla is making payments ahead of schedule (You do understand loans can be paid back?) Yes Solyndra is bankrupt, but the majority of other investments from the same program are successful. http://dpc.senate.gov/dpcissue-arrasuccess.cfm#none
          Letstakeawalk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Ele Truk
          "Tesla is making payments ahead of schedule (You do understand loans can be paid back?)" This hasn't happened yet, just saying. The first payment is due in Dec., so it's not like they'd even be starting repayment all that early...
        brotherkenny4
        • 2 Years Ago
        Bad, Your wasting your time. The people you hope to cow would never come here to read, that is if they can.
        Letstakeawalk
        • 2 Years Ago
        Fisker got around $170 Million from the DOE as an AVTM Loan for the Karma. Having built, and in the process of selling their first 2000 Karmas at around $110K each... Fisker has an income of around $220 Million this year. (We'll wait for the Sept. statement to see the actual numbers). Fisker has to start repayment of the DOE loan (in equal quarterly payments) beginning April 2013 (36 moths after the Financial Closing Date). So, it would appear that the Karma program at least is already well on its way to profitability. As for the Atlantic, we know it is just about fully-developed and only needing about $150 million to get into production. It should be relatively easy for Fisker to get the funding they need for the Atlantic program. Then, Fisker might consider an IPO. ;)
        Grendal
        • 2 Years Ago
        People who listen to talk show hosts and throw stones should really do a lot more research. It's so easy to distract them with "see how the government is stealing money out of your pocket." When in reality the money loaned to Fisker to potentially develop a new car company was pocket change compared to other government expenditures that they don't want you to be watching. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-05-12-afghan_N.html $12.2 billion a month on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's every month and you're focused on the paltry $185 million given as a loan to Fisker to possibly creates some jobs. And by the way, the money was only used in the US. I'll bet your talk show hosts didn't bother to mention that, did they? No because then they can't manipulate you. And how much was spent to clean up the oil spill in the Gulf? And I'm not saying that the ATVM loan that was given to Fisker was the best investment either, I'm just pointing out that your priorities are focused on the wrong things Bad Karma.
          Grendal
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Grendal
          And Tesla got $485 million from its loan and Elon Musk has guaranteed the payback out of his own pocket if Tesla fails. He's confident that it won't. Did any of the banks CEO's pay back any of the money they lost? That was over $1 trillion. No? Maybe that was another little distraction the talk show hosts overlooked. Maybe because those people are their friends and give them paychecks... Sorry for the rant. But please keep your eye on the ball - not on the shells.
          Marcopolo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Grendal
          Grendal People in stone houses, shouldn't throw glasses, alternatively, People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw parties ! Oh well,...back to Craig Ferguson....
      hebrews movers
      • 2 Years Ago
      Hi! If he is investing in this car, then it would be because this cars offer great features and have the great number of vendors in the market.
      Ashton
      • 2 Years Ago
      Well, like the saying goes, " A fool and his money are soon parted"
        SVX pearlie
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Ashton
        Crazy like a fox. Maybe he needs some investment losses to offset other capital gains.
      PeterScott
      • 2 Years Ago
      I found another interesting quote: "The first is quality control. Price is not as important as build quality. Karman buyers, will pay extra, but expect a very high level of build quality. The second is user friendly, ease of operation. The car is built to impress ! There is nothing impressive about difficult, unmanageable, unreliable controls ! Fiskers command centre appears to be over-designed by people who have no idea about automotive considerations. . Driving controls need to be simple, easy to operate, 100% reliable, and idiot-proof. " Some fairly reasonable statements there, from an unusual source: Marco Polo. Back before he became the self appointed defender of the Fisker faith and started attacking everyone who criticizes the quality of the Karma. Back then quality was of the utmost important, now poor build quality like mediocre panel fittings, dismal system software(fires/stranding), are just easily tolerable minor glitches. Those of us who haven't changed to his new mindset and still think (as he used to) that a $100K car has to be reliable and have high build quality are now prejudiced haters. :D
      Marco Polo
      • 2 Years Ago
      Peter Scott, Ele Truk and Rotation, Ok, ok, we all get it ! You don't like Fisker ! You will distort quotes, sneer, make small problems huge, denigrate Fisker customers, find fault where none exists, etc..etc.., Worse, claim that Fisker customers complain and hate their cars. What you can't explain is why Fiskers sales are steadily improving, and even those customers who have experienced problems, still express great pride in ownership, and even buy another ! (even invest ) Why don't you just be honest, admit you don't fit into Fisker's market demographic, and leave Fisker owners to enjoy ownership of their karma's. without a barrage of negativity from critic's whose only delight is to find fault in a vehicle they will never own. ?
        Rotation
        • 7 Months Ago
        @Marco Polo
        Again, you say people who disagree with you are distorting the truth. Ridiculous. 'Worse, claim that Fisker customers complain and hate their cars.' So I post at the bottom that I haven't seen any evidence that Brian Greenstone doesn't like his Fisker despite his complaints and you characterize this as claiming Fisker customers hate their cars. How does this make sense? I do fit into Fisker's market demographic. I could easily afford a Karma and I am in the market for an alternate fuel (EV or EREV) vehicle. I admittedly am not interested in a Karma and I will flat out say I dislike the Karma and by extension Fisker.
        PeterScott
        • 7 Months Ago
        @Marco Polo
        As is becoming your pattern, you lump people together and misrepresent their positions. Attacking both the people and straw-man representations of their positions instead of dealing with the facts. But since you seem so keen on stopping all criticism, I'll simply make one prediction and offer you a deal. Prediction: Fisker is bankrupt within 3 years. The Deal: I'll never comment on another Fisker story again(until they are bankrupt), as long as you don't. :)
          PeterScott
          • 7 Months Ago
          @PeterScott
          "As I have already said, if, (and I hope they don't) Fisker produce the Atlantic, your criticisms would be valid. " So what? My unacceptable prejudice is that I think it should actually be a good, reliable car, and you think that only matters at the lower end of the market? How does that make any sense?
          Marcopolo
          • 7 Months Ago
          @PeterScott
          @ PeterScott, I'm not opposed to legitimate criticism. But, when that criticism is based on prejudice, it's less acceptable. As I have already said, if, (and I hope they don't) Fisker produce the Atlantic, your criticisms would be valid. The Atlantic would be a car designed for the consumer market, and as such would have to equal or better the criteria of that market. I don't belive that a small company like Fisker capable of produce and selling such a vehicle in the volumes required to justify economic production. Which is why Fisker should stick with perfecting the Karma, (whose owners are more forgiving), and secure it's reputation first.
        Marcopolo
        • 7 Months Ago
        @Marco Polo
        @ Rotation, Fitting into Fisker's market demographic requires more than just being able to afford the price, it means possessing the sort of personality that enjoys such a vehicle. You reveal your prejudice when you say, " I admittedly am not interested in a Karma and I will flat out say I dislike the Karma and by extension Fisker". Which is ok, you don't have to like the Karma, or Fisker, but it does make you less than objective when assessing Karma news items.
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