As much as we'd like them to, some car companies don't break out their plug-in vehicle sales for our monthly alt-car sale wrap-up posts. Tesla? Guilty. Fisker? You, too. Their lack of data doesn't mean we can't get an insight into the numbers of vehicles built and sold by the California company, we just need a roundabout way to get at it. Enter the eagle-eyed team at Green Car Reports.

Fed up with the vague "about 1,000" global sales number for the Karma plug-in hybrid that we've heard for a while now, GCR has been pestering Fisker for a while about how many Karmas have been sold – to no avail. But, when they found one in the wild with a Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) that ended with 001992, they figured it was number 1,992 off the line. Then, during yesterday's announcement about new CEO Tony Posawatz, Henrik Fisker happened to mention that "about 1,900" Karmas have been built thus far. As GCR writes, "While it's possible (though unlikely) that Fisker uses non-contiguous VINs, we're going to take his comment as confirmation of our query." We agree.

This doesn't get us any closer to actually knowing how many sales there have been, but it's more than we had before.


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      Rob J
      • 2 Years Ago
      I used to think the Karma was the bees knees until the Model S came out. With the $20,000+ you save buying a Tesla you can either A) buy a used Fusion Hybrid [or similar] B) Use that money for a rental car when you need to make a long trip or C) become best friends with your neighbor and just swap cars when you need to travel 200+ miles. If I had the cash, I would pick C.
        Peter
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Rob J
        You could play that game if you could buy a Tesla S from a dealer right now. As Tesla can only take your $40,000 deposit and Fisker is moving cars, I would tip my hat to the guy who will let me drive off the lot...
          bluepongo1
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Peter
          I would wait for quality. Especially in light of undetermined fire issues because I had a '67 Firebird convertible burn up on me. I also prefer Tesla because hybrids have more points of failure - they aren't even sure what caused the fires yet.
          Anne
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Peter
          deposit is $ 5k
        PR
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Rob J
        Rob J If I had the cash, I'd choose option D) buy a Karma and a Model S Performance and always have a car for road trips while my family also drives 100% of our miles on power generated by solar panels. More realistically, with less money it could be an Atlantic and a BlueStar, to make option D) a reality. Or a BMW i3 and a Chevy Volt. You get the drift. An REEV and an EV do even better together in a typical US 2+ car household than they do alone.
          PR
          • 2 Years Ago
          @PR
          Should read DAILY miles... my typo.
          Letstakeawalk
          • 2 Years Ago
          @PR
          I agree. A Chevy Volt and an NEV would suit me and the future Mrs. just fine.
      imoore
      • 2 Years Ago
      Does this mean the DOE will now grant Fisker the necessary loan needed to build the Atlantic?
        Roy_H
        • 2 Years Ago
        @imoore
        I doubt it. I don't know the terms, but I think they had to reach a certain number by a certain date. They didn't make it. Fisker tried unsuccessfully to negotiate a new delayed date, but was sunk by Solindra.
      Giza Plateau
      • 2 Years Ago
      Even though the business side of Fisker doesn't seem to be viable you have to respect 2000 cars at that price. Almost as many as Tesla Roadsters and 40 times more than Model S : ) It would be ironic if Tesla would go under before Fisker
        Roy_H
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Giza Plateau
        "40 times more than Model S" disingenous. The Karma has been manufactured for almost a year, vs a couple of months for the Model S. Most importantly both claim a long list of waiting customers with Fisker saying a total of 5k and Tesla over 10k. We'll see who has sold the most by this time next year.
      RC
      • 2 Years Ago
      More like 2,000 headaches. I wouldn't touch a Karma with a ten foot pole.
        Marco Polo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @RC
        @ RC "I wouldn't touch a Karma with a ten foot pole." I hope not !
        PR
        • 2 Years Ago
        @RC
        Isn't hard to drive that way? *grin*
      bluepongo1
      • 2 Years Ago
      Perhaps these companies are too busy building cars to be bothered with every gas troll who will never buy their product. It seems if they worked half as hard on their own success as they do wonking paper busywork they wouldn't be so angry.
      Greg
      • 2 Years Ago
      I still think it's ugly.
        Nick
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Greg
        What do you think looks good? A 1999 Mustang GT with orange racing stripes?
      Letstakeawalk
      • 2 Years Ago
      ... and a few hundred more for the Chinese market launch. The Sept. business update should have a lot of very interesting numbers.
      Letstakeawalk
      • 2 Years Ago
      Further fire info: "A Fisker Karma was recently involved in an accident in Woodside, where the front left side of the vehicle caught on fire. No one was injured. Fisker announced that the source of the fire was not the battery pack, but the investigation into the cause of the fire is ongoing. "Our suspicion is it's the cooling fan," Lane said Tuesday." http://www.mercurynews.com/cars/ci_21309934/fisker-names-former-chevy-volt-chief-new-ceo
        Rotation
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Letstakeawalk
        And from the same paragraph: 'If you look at our launch issues, we've had fewer issues than most cars' Not sure why I would trust this guy as far as I can throw him. He has a loose grasp on reality. It'll be interesting to see if it's a cooling fan. I cannot comprehend how there is anything under the front left fender that requires a cooling fan whether the car is on or off.
          Marco Polo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Rotation
          @ Rotation' Could it be a route for the wiring ? (seems unlikely).
      Marco Polo
      • 2 Years Ago
      2000 Fisker Karma's at an average of 100,000 each, ...$ 200 million ! Not too bad ! If Fisker is able to maintain it's projected 20% profit, this represents a better return on invested capital than Leaf or iMev. At this rate, Fisker will certainly have more wriggle room than Tesla. Fisker is also a better corporate fit for an industrial conglomerate in the auto-industry to buy, or JVC. Fisker is proving my early optimism at its ability to sell 5000 luxury sports sedans, correct. Now, if Fisker would just produce a RHD Sunset convertible .........
        Rotation
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Marco Polo
        Built is not the same as sold. Even if the SNs are consecutive, number 1992 being sold doesn't mean the 1991 before it have been sold already.
          Marcopolo
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Rotation
          @ Rotation Well, your point is valid, however since Fisker has a substantial waiting list, I think it's fairly safe to assume that the vehicles are sold. (But you could be right).
        Nick
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Marco Polo
        Marco Polo "Fisker is also a better corporate fit for an industrial conglomerate in the auto-industry to buy, or JVC. " What makes you say that? They've outsourced a number of vital components, while Tesla has done most in house (and has its own patents). I'd love the 2000 figure to be correct, but I'll take it with a grain of salt for now. It's a gorgeous car and I hope Fisker will make it!
      PR
      • 2 Years Ago
      Fisker's latest recall indicates that they have built a minimum of 2400 Karma's that are impacted by the latest recall.
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