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Opel, General Motors' European unit, says its Ampera – the better-looking sister vehicle to the Chevrolet Volt – is Europe's best-selling passenger electric vehicle, accounting for more than one in five EVs sold in the continent.

Opel, citing May sales numbers, says the Ampera has accounted for more than half the EVs sold in the Netherlands through the first five months of the year, while accounting for 44 percent of Switzerland's EVs this year and more than a third of Germany's EVs. Percentages are good, but Opel didn't disclose how many Amperas have been sold in Europe this year. Whether the Ampera qualifies as an "EV" is a matter of semantics, as it's generally been referred to as either an extended-range plug-in or a plug-in hybrid here in the States.

As far as competition across the Pond, the Ampera has apparently beat out models such as the Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-MiEV (it's the "i" in the U.S.) and Renault's small stable of cars and utility vehicles. In March, the Ampera, along with the Volt, won the 2012 European Car of the Year award. As with the Volt, the Ampera can go about 35 miles on a full electric charge before its on-board gas-powered generator kicks in.
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Opel Ampera is Europe's best selling passenger electric vehicle

2012-06-26
  • Ampera is Europe's No.1 passenger EV with more than 20 percent market share
  • Top seller in several key markets including Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland
Rüsselsheim. Opel's revolutionary Ampera electric vehicle is Europe's best selling passenger electric vehicle according to sales figures from May 2012. With a European segment share of over 20 percent, the award-winning Ampera has now overtaken all of its rivals.

"We are proud that we are the number one in Europe. Our sales data and customer feedback confirms that we are definitely on the right track with the Ampera", says Enno Fuchs, Opel's e-mobility launch director. "Especially in markets with governmental incentives like the Netherlands we have performed very well."

In the Netherlands, the Ampera has taken more than 77 percent of the passenger EV market share in May, making it the undisputed leader of its segment by a wide margin with all the other competitors only managing single figure percentages. The average year to date market share for the Ampera in the Netherlands was more than 50 percent, underscoring its continuing popularity in that country. Based on the latest available figures, the Ampera is also the best-selling EV including Germany with a share of more than a third and Switzerland with 44 percent.

The Ampera has won more than 50 national and international prizes including the "Car of the Year 2012" award and the "World Green Car of the Year 2011". There have also been accolades for safety like the maximum 5-star Euro NCAP award.

A 16 kWh lithium ion battery powers the 111kW/150 hp electric motor of the Ampera. Depending on the style of driving and road conditions, distances of between 40 and 80 kilometers can be covered in the purely battery-operated mode, free of emissions. In extended-range mode, which activates whenever the battery has reached its minimum state of charge, power is seamlessly inverted to the electric drive unit from a generator driven by a 1.4-liter, 63 kW/86 hp gasoline engine. Extended-range mode enables a total driving range of more than 500 kilometers without refueling.


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      DarylMc
      • 5 Months Ago
      In case anyone is interested I just caught a Holden Volt ad in Australia. Found it on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxIi25-LSek
      Nick
      • 5 Months Ago
      Any hard numbers on Ampera sales out there? The fact numbers are not published could indicate they are low. I've seen a couple Amperas on the road over the past 2 months...so not many unfortunately.
        Rick
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Nick
        EUROPEAN SALES (April are the latest hard numbers that l can find) 1. Toyota Prius Hybrid : 1,933 2. Opel/Vauxhall Ampere E-REV : 499 3. Nissan Leaf EV : 345 4 LHD Chevy Volt E-REV : 0 http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2012/06/26/europe-april-2012-now-available-with-top-322-all-models-ranking/
          DaveMart
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Rick
          There are 3 variants of the Mitsubishi electric. In April they sold Mitsubishi i 182 Citroen C-Zero 174 Peugeot ion 146 So the total was 502, just ahead of the Volt/Ampera. Renault have not broken out it's electric car sales for the Fluence and Kangoo, and the Twizy is not listed.
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Rick
          PR, Perhaps you should get out more, or read more mainstream motoring publications. Actually, I have never figured out the point of a tachometer on the average sedan. But, I guess it's just one of those things people like.
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Rick
          @ Nick, The first of our 9 Vauxhall Ampera's will be delivered next month. (There is a substantial waiting list even for fleet owners). Although the Ampera is a useful hatchback, it is limited to four passengers. (sort of like the XJ Jaguar van den Plas ). In general, the Press has been favourable to the Ampera, if you discount the usual waffle about no tachometer, and not being a 'drivers' car ! The Ampera is the 2012 European car of the year. In the UK, the Ampera attracts a government grant which helps offset GM's lack of really substantial fleet discounts. (GM obviously wants to promote private sales first, while supply is restricted.) The Vauxhall Ampera does offer the following UK benefits : Eligibility for the Government £5,000 Plug-in Car Grant No Vehicle Excise Duty to pay No London Congestion Charge to pay Just 5% Benefit-in-Kind taxation for Company Car Drivers (tax years 2012/2015 Reduced Class 1A NI contributions for employers 100% first year Writing Down Allowance for companies 8-year 100,000 mile warranty on the battery 100,000 mile Lifetime Warranty on the car Free collection and delivery for your scheduled service, warranty or repair work.* It can be re-charged from 16amp/240 volt home charge station3 in 4 hours There are other corporate advantages to be derived from including the Ampera in a fleet. The competitor ICE vehicle that is often quoted as a rival is the BMW 320 d. Apart from those who appreciate driving a car which sounds like an old bus when it starts, the 320 d is a good car, but pretty far down in the ranks of BMW's. The 320d can seat 5, but only very uncomfortably, and no hatchback, remission of congestion charges or any of the other benefits ! IMHO, the Vauxhall Ampera is the perfect vehicle for executives who work in the city, (London in particular) but frequently travel by car to other UK destinations. The Ampera makes a statement of environmental and social commitment that the BMW lacks. The BMW projects the owners concern for his own success, where the Vauxhall Ampera portrays a commitment to society, and a commitment to the success of the client. I don't know if this psychology has an effect of the driver, but I would suspect that the conversations arising from interest in the Ampera's EV technology, would heighten the drivers social conscience, and this must transfer to his clients, hopefully, increasing the clients confidence in the executives business ethics. Whether this works, or not, I don't know ! (maybe GM should commission a study :)
          PR
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Rick
          Marco, "if you discount the usual waffle about no tachometer," Wow, I didn't even know that anyone had even made a big deal out of there being no tach. That's a new complaint I've never heard of. What are they worried about? The gas motor RPM, or the electric motor RPM? Neither seem all that important since you can't shift any gears, and the car is electronically speed limited. It is about as valid a complaint as complaining about gas cars not having a steam pressure gauge like the old steam-powered cars used to have. But I guess folks might just be curious. I'm sure both gas and electric motor RPM is collected by the computer (or could be calculated from collected inputs) so it wouldn't be that tough for an aftermarket chip tuner to display it on the digital display if enough people really demanded it.
          Nick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Rick
          Thanks. I guess 500 Amperas a month isn't that bad since it's been a few months only, and not all dealers have them. But it would be a lot better if it was closer to 2000 / month..
        Marco Polo
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Nick
        Nick The Ampera has over 6800 unfulfilled European orders, and is just about to receive it's second shipment from the US. GM, has been very cautious in it's Voltec roll out, ensuring no major setbacks and allowing the models to build up a ground swell. GM has yet to really capitalize on it's fleet sales and has had to overcome considerable political and dealer resistance in the US. But interest is building, and GM's Voltec models will prove to be an international success.
          Nick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Marco Polo
          I hope you're right and that we'll see many more of them around..
      Marco Polo
      • 5 Months Ago
      Once again, well done GM, and the Ampera ! The concept behind the Voltec drive-train is far more versatile, and attracts wider sales appeal than the narrow, still developing market for BEV's. The Ampera is an exciting, practical EREV, marketed at a reasonable price considering the standard of build quality and accessories. An excellent, well built, attractive alternative to the Mid-range BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Volvo, etc.. As a middle executive company car, the Opal/Vauxhall Ampera, presents exactly the right degree of prestige, luxury, practicality, and 'green' image for exactly the right price bracket. Well done GM ! A real winner !
        Anne
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Marco Polo
        To me it seems that in the eye of the public, an Opel does not give a lot of 'prestige'. But that may be my colored opinion.
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          Anne There's an element of truth in what you say, in some European countries Opel is better known for it's small economy models. But in the UK, Vauxhall has in the past marketed prestige (if somewhat staid) executive models. (In recent years GM Europe has marketed the V8 Holden Models, as prestige 'muscle' cars! Much praised by Top Gear petrol heads) The trim level of the Ampera has easily enough class to compete with other mid range saloons. Although, the prestige factor would be enhanced in Europe with the release of a ELR Cadillac coupe with Voltec drive-train. ( and of course, an Australian built, Buick Ampera, would really make head turn in Belgisch Park, where upwardly mobile Hagenaars could display their support for things 'greener' ) :)
          American Refugee
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          Don't worry Anne. Most of Marco Polo's posts sound like they were written on the PressRelease 2000, in hyperbole setting. He spits out marketing buzzwords like Jay-Z spits rhymes.
      DaveMart
      • 2 Years Ago
      They may not be counting the Renault Kangoo ZE, as it is classed as a commercial vehicle, not a passenger vehicle, and so usually comes under different number series.
        DaveMart
        • 5 Months Ago
        @DaveMart
        @Spec: the crewvan version of the Kangoo holds five people in comfort as well as loads of cargo. The French Government give a 5,000 Euro subsidy, and they and major organisations like La Poste have ordered thousands to kick-start the market. The costs are about the same as the diesel version to buy after the subsidy Electricity overnight is very cheap in France. It's difficult to see what more the French government and Renault could have done, and the fish are still not biting. Perhaps they just don't like the idea of not owning the battery.
        Spec
        • 5 Months Ago
        @DaveMart
        The Kangoo should be wildly successful in France. France needs to throw in a few incentives and point out why businesses should buy it. With all that excess overnight nuclear power just being thrown away, every business that does short in-city deliveries should be buying Kangoos and essentially driving for free.
        DaveMart
        • 5 Months Ago
        @DaveMart
        After having another look at the press release, it definitely does not include the Kangoo, but refers specifically to passenger vehicles. The Kangoo can carry passengers, but is not a passenger vehicle.
      • 2 Years Ago
      Sales numbers in the Netherlands are an indication that tax incentives really do work. In the Netherlands those lucky enough to get a lease vehicle from their employer will have a percentage the value of that car added to their income. There is 4 flavours to choose from: -regular: +25% of the vehicle's value -slightly green: +20% -very green:+14% -zero emission: 0% (!) That resulted in 990 Ampera sales in the Netherlands in the first 5 months. Doesn't help BEV sales nearly as much though with only 105 Leafs and 83 Fluences sold in the same period. Clearly with the boss footing the bill people go for the best range..
        Julius
        • 5 Months Ago
        This is interesting... if I read this right, an Ampera lessee (as a presumably "very green" car) gets that employee a 14% bump in his taxable income, while the Leaf lessees would get no tax penalty?
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Julius
          actually the ampera also has a 0% income tax penalty in the Netherlands.
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        Where does the PIP fall here, along with the regular Prius?
        American Refugee
        • 5 Months Ago
        I've seen at least a half dozen Ampera's around Amsterdam in the last few months, including two in the last week. Is there also a road tax rollback on green cars?
      JP
      • 5 Months Ago
      EV? Nope.
        PR
        • 5 Months Ago
        @JP
        It's an EV, Dope.
        Ziv
        • 5 Months Ago
        @JP
        JP, I know you didn't mean to do so, but I am still laughing at your, "EV, Nope" post. A purist elevating the perfect above the really dam&^% good. Leave it to the purista's. The Ampera is a great car, which you would probably acknowledge if you had driven one...
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Ziv
          Exactly. God forbid that we cut 80+% of the gas consumption for 80+% of all fleet miles, when the technology exists to cut 100% of the gas consumption of a at most 5% of fleet miles.
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        @JP
        If it travels at highway speeds purely on battery, it's EV, you moron.
      Dan Frederiksen
      • 2 Years Ago
      let's see some numbers the Leaf was selling many in norway iirc
      Rick
      • 5 Months Ago
      GM Akerson has cut his sales forecast for the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid car. Volt sales this year aren't on pace to meet Akerson's goal of 60,000 globally this year, of which 45,000 would be delivered in the U.S. Through May, GM has sold 7,057 Volts in the U.S., according to researcher Autodata Corp. "I set out a goal both for domestic and export of 60,000," he said. "We'll probably hit somewhere between" 35,000 and 40,000 this year. Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120628/OEM02/120629892#ixzz1zM8gdtCv Not surprising the RHD Vauxhall Ampere will out sell the LHD drive Chevy Volt we get in the UK, who here will want to buy a Volt with the steering wheel fitted on the wrong side of the car? Vauxhall have got a better network of dealers that have been fully trained to service the Ampere, but their are only 2 Chevy dealers in the UK that sell & know how to service your Volt, nobody will travel 150 mile - 300 miles round to have a LHD Volt serviced in RHD UK. When it comes to finding a garage qualified to fiddle with a petrol-electric powerplant, Ampera drivers will also have it easier. If you live in Wimbledon or Cambridge you're in luck, as that's where the UK's only two Chevy Volt dealers are based. A more healthy 24 outlets scattered across the UK are certified to safely lift the bonnet of an Ampera. http://recombu.com/cars/features/chevrolet-volt-vs-vauxhall-ampera-which-is-the-better-buy.html
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rick
        Rick, why are you such a Debbie downer? The 60k number was pie-in-the sky, and assumed a faster ramp-up both US and Europe. The Volt will hit 15k to 25k in the US this year, and should hit 5k to 15k in Europe. That's a significant number and continues to build momentum. As for service, today, it really doesn't matter. As volume grows, service will catch up to match the rollout. Keep calm and Chive on. The Opel Ampera / Vauxhall who cares has barely started sales, so supply and demand haven't reached a point where long-term trends are clear.
        EZEE
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rick
        'Barking mad'.... For some reason that made me LOL.
        Marcopolo
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rick
        Rick, While DF, is mostly just barking mad, he at least supports the concept of EV's (if not any EV maker) You specialize in continually posting negative, anti-EV posts. Even, that may not be so bad, but you always get it wrong ! Even when you quote obscure websites or blogs, you still misquote the information you cite to support your disinformation ! The Chevy Volt can be serviced at any Certified Vauxhall Ampera dealer, without any loss of warranty ! The UK Volt, can be ordered in RHD, or LHD. Some UK owners travel to Europe frequently and as a result find LHD more convenient . (Possibly owning two vehicles) Why you persist in posting anti- EV material on a forum like ABG, baffles me. There must be cycling sites which would appreciate your contributions far more than ABG readers !
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          @ Rick, Are you really that obtuse or just that narcissistic ? You are posting on a EV website dedicated to the interests of millions of people who own various types of EV automotive technology, commenting on articles relating to the billions of dollars invested in the EV industry, with millions of employees, and blithely announce that ; " no one is a bit interested in EV's,....We are bypassing Electric cars in the race to go green onto a much better healthier form of green transport - two wheeled proper ZERO EMISSION cycles" Are you involved in some kind of crash course to becoming an even bigger troll than you already are ?
          Rick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Marcopolo
          41 Electric Vehicles sales in the UK down -235% last month sums up just about what the average Brit thinks of them in the UK. Don't shoot the pigeon messenger, nobody is on bit interested. Until we get to see some of the more useful practical E-REV Pick-Ups, Vans & SUV's from lets say Via Motors Chevy in the UK, things will stay the same nobody will be interested company or private buyers, sorry for sounding so negative but there is nothing at all l would want to buy at the moment. My wife likes the 183 mile range practical 6 seater VW Bulli Microbus EV, she certainly would consider trading her Pug diesel in for one in 2014. Once we start to get past boring dull shaped EV car only stage out of the way & very expensive Tesla's match the prices of a Mazda MX-5 then folk will start to become interested, money l don't think will be a problem. So until then nobody is interested one little bit in the UK. We are bypassing Electric cars in the race to go green onto a much better healthier form of green transport - two wheeled proper ZERO EMISSION cycles in the millions compared to a few 41 EV sales in May.
      Spec
      • 2 Years Ago
      Well, GM may have made the right call. I thought the pure EV model (like the Leaf) would be more successful but it appears that the PHEV model is more palatable to consumers. So be it. Well, things may change if Nissan cuts the price on the Leaf with the Smyrna plant opening. Congrats GM. Now you need to exploit it more. Refine it. Cut costs. Come out with larger Voltec models (Cadillac, mini-van, pick-up, etc.).
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Spec
        "it appears that the PHEV model is more palatable to consumers" In the US, the EREV Volt is the winner, simply because it requires almost no daily living sacrifices aside from plugging in. And if you forget, or need to drive farther, you simply pay a little more by burning gas for the day. PHEV should also do well, but it's not quite there yet - too limited. If we get the PHEV where it can cover 10-15 miles AER up to 50 mph, then it'll take off as a segment, because then you can use it as a pure BEV NEV, but use the engine for highway / longer trips.
          Rotation
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Spec: It already can in theory do 62mph. The problem is the PiP's motor isn't large enough to really provide the power needed to drive at highway speeds. It's a long way from having that right now. To even get past 40ish mph without using the ICE on the PiP requires level ground and the most glacial acceleration you could imagine. If the PiP had a more powerful motor and a larger battery, it could be as capable as the Volt and become an EREV. I mean, they have very similar drivetrains otherwise already! The thing is that would make the vehicle more expensive. You'd have to put in an electric heater, redo the fuel system a little because gas might sit in the gas tank for a year (like it has for Jay Leno) and I'm sure some other stuff. It would make the car more expensive so the car only appeals to those who do want to plug it in and I think Toyota is suspicious of the level of demand for an EV or EREV anyway. Toyota would rather sell a PHEV instead because it's cheaper, performs better in charge sustaining mode (which those who never plug it in will primarily use) and still can drive in the carpool lane on the highway in California.
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          There should be, tho. As I see it: EREV is a BEV which can backup to ICE as needed. PHEV is a hybrid which can run as BEV in a limited way. That is, there are clear qualitative differences between the EREV Volt (which can do a full 35-mile commute on battery), and a PHEV PIP (which has a very limited BEV function).
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Spec, that's a good question, and ultimately, we'll have to see where things end up. As I see it, if it runs highway (55+ mph as BEV) for the full commute, it's a "true" EV car of some sort. That's why my cutoff was 50 mph. If the AER is only 15-20 miles, that's still very functional, especially if you have at-work charging. And charging a small battery is easily doable on 110V. When I lived with a very short commute, I'd be OK without at-work charging. Similarly, a mom on carpool duty probably does just fine with 15-20 miles AER.
          Spec
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          I don't think there is any sharp line between PHEV and EREV. The terms largely overlap.
          Rotation
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Well, to me it's pretty clear. An EREV is a fully capable car in EV mode and a PHEV isn't. The PiP is a great example. Its battery mode is very limited in performance and can't even carry the car to highway speeds. I'm not sure how the non-EREV PHEVs will do in the market. On the one hand they are cheaper. Additionally, California will let you drive them in the carpool lane. For a lot of people, those two are plenty enough. They don't really care about freedom from oil. On the other hand, if you do the math on them, the current crop are poor financial decisions. If people aren't buying them to get off of oil, why are they buying them at all? My only answer I can understand is the carpool lane access. And I just don't feel right putting people into those carpool lanes in "zero emissions" vehicles that can't run as zero emissions at normal highway speeds! CARB, please reconsider.
          Spec
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          It is certainly easy to draw clear lines between the PiP and the Volt . . . but that just covers the current situation. But you can make a whole spectrum of vehicles that go from a conventional Prius hybrid to a nearly pure EV that contains a tiny gas engine only intended for emergencies and can't drive the car at full speed. Where would a PiP be if you gave it a 10KWH battery and let it go 60mph in pure EV mode?
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Actually, it's the other way around, and highly cynical. The Prius was largely sold in Cali due to HOV access. It's a ****!ng shi!box, and wouldn't sell otherwise. So Toyota got stupid CARB to create an EV loophole, and built the PIP to match it.
      Rotation
      • 5 Months Ago
      This is crazy. I think I might personally have to move the Volt/Ampera out of the "experimental/loss leader" category into the "mild success" category (where the LEAF already resides in my mind). The first generation of a new style of car being a mild success is pretty good and probably enough incentive for GM to consider continuing the line. There was a time when I thought I might have to buy a Volt or LEAF simply because they were going to be possibly going to be the last mainstream EVs (and EREV) made. Now we've got the LEAF doing well, the Volt doing well and the Tesla S seemingly off to a flying start. And there the anklebiters out there too (Karma, BMW 1 Active-e, Focus EV, Mitsu i, Fit EV).
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rotation
        In my mind, the Volt crossed into "success" about 3 months ago, when it sustained solid year-over-year sales growth and passed the Leaf as the top selling EV in the US. At this point, you don't even have to qualify the Volt success. It's a good car and selling well. The Leaf is barely treading water, while the Tesla S is still filling preorders. The Plug Prius is a question mark, but it's losing momentum as the preorders have dried up. Next week, we'll have June numbers which will help clarify things further.
        Marcopolo
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rotation
        @ Rotation From the day the Volt was announced I was enthusiastic that GM was producing such a vehicle. Despite naysayers and ferocious attacks from all sides for every conceivable (and quite a few inconceivable ) reasons, GM has persisted in producing this remarkable demonstration of 'made in USA' technology. All EREV's are transitional technology. GM's Volt , like the Prius Hybrid before it, extends the dynamics of EV technology into practical motoring, and attracts mainstream adherents. Well done GM, well done USA ! Now, about that Australian built, export Buick Ampera,.....:)
        Dave
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rotation
        GM has done a fine job with the Volt/Ampera. However, until they can turn a profit without government subsidies, I can't call them a real success.
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Dave
          You are aware that *no* passenger EV can turn a profit without government subsidies, and will not do so for the next few years. So clearly, the answer is to continue burning oil rather than advancing the state of the art and weaning ourselves from such dependence...
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Dave
          Dave, That would apply to any alternate energy vehicles. (In fact it could apply to most of the automotive Industry, which world wide receives massive assistance from Governments, in one way or another.) But, GM's Voltec technology is on it's way to profitability. (you are right, profitability for new technology must be amortized over a number of years)
          Dave
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Dave
          Perhaps the 2nd or 3rd generation will be able to stand on its own feet.
      Rick
      • 5 Months Ago
      Netherlands Jan-May sales Prius 1,367 Ampera 990 Prius Plus 129 Germany Prius 720 Ampera 367 Leaf 135
        SVX pearlie
        • 5 Months Ago
        @Rick
        Prius can't run on pure battery, so it's not the same.
          Anne
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          @Rick, I have to say, you Brits have a penchant for sticking with yesterday's technology too long: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dzzdc ;)
          Rick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          LOL Anne, damm it l missed that programme, you should visit Goathland take a trip on North Yorkshire Railway there is no better place on Gods earth, you would love it. Isle of Wight railway newest rolling stock is over 60 years old, its keeps winning the awards for being UK's most reliable & punctual services every year, which must annoy the hell out of high speed Euro Tunnel bosses whose high speed trains don't come even anywhere even close to the reliability & punctuality of the everyday award winning service provided by the IOW Steam railway. You don't seam understand how cycling is really off in the UK, nobody use to talk about bikes at work, now thats all blokes talk about these days (maybe pretty women as well), tea breaks drive me mad at work, its all about plans road bikes & mountain bike trips at the weekend it drives me round the bend. 15 guys l work with joined 47,000 other cyclists on a 60 mile charity bike ride London to Brighton a couple of weeks ago. It's all about will Brit Wiggo beat the Aussie in Tour De France at the moment, next month it will be will Mark Cavendish will hit gold, nobody talks about cars anymore in the UK, not ever heard a dickybird about a Volt or Ampere, they never get mentioned at work sad to say nobody is one bit interested, Cycling fever is taking over the UK ignore it at your peril, gotta say personally it does not really interest me a lot, although l am thinking about cycling into work just to keep fit, but there is a lot of peer pressure to do it, its becoming a very social thing to do in the UK.
          Marco Polo
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          SVX pearlie Very good with drainage also ...:)
          Anne
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          @Rotation, About time this cycling thing finally takes off in the UK. Now that's some 'old' technology that's worth keeping! In The Netherlands, it has always been normal. Here, you score no points for cycling to work. 2 years ago, made a rail trip around Europe, started off in Newcastle and then via Carlisle through the Dales to Leeds. That was rather nice *) *) that is an understatement
          Anne
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Now I'm beginning to mix up names. That previous comment was directed at Rick, not Rotation. Well at least their names share the first letter....
          Rotation
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          @Rick: I'm certain that you're right, the Eurostar people get super angry that they are merely fast and not punctual like the Isle of Wight railway. I'm sure if if the Eurostar only ran a 110km/h average speed and thus did the Paris to London run in 13 hours but did it bang on time, their ridership would triple.
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Good lord, if it's a question of getting the trains to run on time, maybe you need to put an Italian in charge... His methods may not be cricket, but at least the trains will run...
          Rick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @SVX pearlie
          Nobody is one bit interest in EV's in the UK we only brought 41 ALL BRANDs last month, EV sales were down -235% last month. Brits, Dutch and even the French are more interested in buying proper ZERO EMISSION 1WD RWD cycles, thats all folk talk about these days in the UK in the race to be green. Brits brought 3.200,000 cycles last year of which 1,300,000 were brand new ZERO EMISSION cyclists. 2,000,000,000 TV veiwers will be tuned in "Le Tour De France" in July is good, folk are interested. 41 Electric British EV sales down -235% not so good, nobody is one bit interest.
      TIMMAH!
      • 5 Months Ago
      Well just goes to show you how sensitive these things are to gas prices. Over in Europe where gas is 2x more expensive, the payback rate makes more sense. I've compared Volt to a number of other conventional gas and hybrid choices here in the US and the nearest breakeven point for me was something like 12 years.
        Anne
        • 5 Months Ago
        @TIMMAH!
        In general, electricity is more expensive too in Europe. So the payback time is not that different.
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          Actually, it's much faster. It works like this: US gas = $4/gal, US electric like $.20/gal. Euro gas = $8/gal, Euro electric like $0.40/gal. (Euro gas & electric are roughly double US rates). If an EV can save $3.80/gal in the US, but $7.60/gal in Europe, if the upfront car cost is essentially similar, then the payback rate is doubled due to the larger differential between gas / electric.
          Nick
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          The Ampera is about $55,000 in Europe.
          SVX pearlie
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          Depends on where you live, and what the local taxes & fees are. Total outlays in many states are probably not that different from Europe.
          Rotation
          • 5 Months Ago
          @Anne
          SVX Pearlie: Well, except the cars usually cost more too! Not double, but still.
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