While we wait patiently for the fall launch of the 2013 Ford Focus ST – and for Ford to decide whether the U.S. market is worthy of the three-door Fiesta ST – our English-speaking friends overseas are consumed with other worries. Like whether the next Focus RS will, in fact, be a Fiesta.

Autocar says Ford still hasn't decided what form the next generation of its ultrahatch will take, and that it is weighing the pros and cons of using both models for the next RS. On the one hand, the Fiesta is already being campaigned in the World Rally Championship with RS badging. The pint-sized hatchback is also available as a three-door (although not in the U.S.), a bodystyle that is reportedly viewed as more befitting an RS model. But the larger Focus will likely fetch larger profits, not to mention being more suitable for sale in the States, Autocar guesstimates.

Hey, at this point, we'll take either. Or both.


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      dougjp
      • 2 Years Ago
      Just bring something! When is the embargo over on test drives of the ST?
      Andre Neves
      • 2 Years Ago
      When it comes to communication betweenNorth American Ford, European Ford, & their respective customers...there is none. A Focus RS & Fiesta ST would do phenomenally good IMO if it was brought stateside.
      johnbravo6
      • 2 Years Ago
      Yeah, fewer doors, more aggressive style, and smaller size with less weight is more fitting the sportiest model? That can't be right, never heard of it... Go with the Fiesta.
      Kris
      • 2 Years Ago
      Me being European I never understood the American eagerness for bigger, more powerful cars. I never understood NASCAR. But I grew up watching European rally, hillclimb and touring car racing. I know the history of Ford's RS cars. If ford have any respect of their past and wants to continue the tradition, the new RS car should be 1.6l (or 2.0l if they cant make the 1.6l as powerful and civil enough for daily driving) turbocharged Fiesta. AWD would be pretty nice touch, but in order to actually make the car better it should be system with center diff with more than 60% rearwards biased torque split - like the mighty Escort RS Cosworth was - and we all know this is expensive and not gonna happen. As long as they make it capable of feats of the magnitude of a real rally racing car I am in!
      Soyntgo4it
      • 2 Years Ago
      You will never see either have AWD good luck with that.
      Avinash Machado
      • 2 Years Ago
      Hey, at this point, we'll take either. Or both. Exactly.
      Dean Hammond
      • 2 Years Ago
      350hp, AWD 3 door please, 6 speed manual....and $30k................
        The Wasp
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        Sounds good but for $30k I'd at least want it to be a Fusion.
          Matt
          • 2 Years Ago
          @The Wasp
          For $30k, I'd want a Mustang but that's not what we're talking about now is it? Maybe someone wants a $30k Fiesta with AWD and some power. You don't always have to spend the money on another car just because it's bigger, that's a shitty mindset Americans have.
          AcidTonic
          • 2 Years Ago
          @The Wasp
          Dean, how's it feel? You always gang up on my comments like this. Mine were just as innocent. AWD == downmod here. That's how it goes.
          Dean Hammond
          • 2 Years Ago
          @The Wasp
          understand....but not going to happen in AWD form, remember the mere ST version of the focus can get pretty close to 30k, the fusion if we ever see one with be somewhat north of that...there IS a mule though, apparently its a beast.
          Nowuries
          • 2 Years Ago
          @The Wasp
          The price would be for great performance, not for size. A Fusion RS would be a fat pig; I will take the smaller focus RS any day for $30K.
          Vinuuz
          • 2 Years Ago
          @The Wasp
          Might as well get a Fusion eh?
        Dean Hammond
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        funny, the negatards are out if force with personal agendas downvoting perfectly innocent comments. Why all the hate for anything positive towards Ford, I have two words...GROW UP.
          AcidTonic
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Dean Hammond
          Dean, how's it feel? You always gang up on my comments like this. Mine were just as innocent. AWD == downmod here. That's how it goes.
          AcidTonic
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Dean Hammond
          Dean, how's it feel? You always gang up on my comments like this. Mine were just as innocent. AWD == downmod here. That's how it goes.
        A Danforth Wilkins
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        I'd like the Focus RS to be AWD and Fiesta RS be the "spiritual successor" of the last-gen Focus RS...FWD.
      Travisty
      • 2 Years Ago
      Ugh.......... Why is it that foreign automakers can bring their small 2-door sports coupes/hatchbacks here but American companies can't sell them?? GTI? Available in 2-door. Civic Si? 2-door. MINI Cooper S? 2-door. 1-series? 2-door. BRZ/FRS? 2-door. And all of the mundane versions of those (Golf, Civic, etc) are all available in 2-door as well. For American small cars? Sonic? 4-door only. Cruze? 4-door. Fiesta? 4-door. Focus? 4-door. Come on, domestic manufacturers, bring over the damn 2 and 3-door versions!! As far as Fiesta/Focus for the RS, my vote is for the Fiesta. With the bloatification that's gone on in the past 2 decades a modern Fiesta is bigger than most of the "sporty" hatchbacks from years past. 3200 or 3300lbs is no longer in the "hot hatchback" market, it's become something else entirely. As the Focus has grown, it's time for the RS badge to be moved down to the Fiesta instead.
      AcidTonic
      • 2 Years Ago
      Do I even need to say anything? I'm game up to 40K. Permanent full-time AWD is a requirement along with a manual trans. This would restore my respect for American cars and finally give us the Domestic Evo/STI fighter we've all been waiting for. I'll put a deposit down tomorrow if this is a real car coming out..... Hurry up before I buy another Evo IX 5spd.....
        Matt
        • 2 Years Ago
        @AcidTonic
        No. You won't see a compact or subcompact at $40k with AWD (that and the Fiesta and Focus platform weren't designed for AWD). The American car buyer has associated money with size, it doesn't matter that that $40 Focus RS has 300hp, AWD, leather Recaros, and a Starbucks in the trunk. For $40k, they're gonna go with the larger Taurus, to them, that's more car for the money. To the enthusiast (or Europeans), we see that money = content, not size, but we are a very small minority in the USDM market and Detroit builds what sells to the mass consumer, not us. Sure there are times when a car sneaks out that is a nod to us but a $40k AWD Fiesta/Focus ain't it, at least not now. You can hope in one hand and **** in the other but that is the reality. No point for a domestic Evo/STI fighter when the Evo is supposedly going to be a diesel hybrid and the future of the WRX/STI is up in the air right now. Also why not an Evo IX MR with the 6 speed? Or is the 5 speed a better match for the "best" drivetrain layout?
          Jim R
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Matt
          You can't really blame a company for building what sells, you know. It's a business, not a charity organization. You gotta build what pays the bills.
      thedriveatfive
      • 2 Years Ago
      Dear Ford, please make a Fiesta ST with the same power train as the focus ST, go light on the cost adding non performance options, and price as low as possible.
        Matt
        • 2 Years Ago
        @thedriveatfive
        Why have the Fiesta ST be the top model when that would be better suited for a Fiesta RS? With the current Fiesta making 120hp it would make more sense to have the Fiesta ST have the rumored 180hp and leave a possible Fiesta RS model with ~240hp. Hell, the 1.6 liter Ecoboost being used in the Fiesta RS WRC makes 300hp. There's no need to use the 2.0 liter Ecoboost from the Focus ST in a Fiesta when they could just detune the 1.6 liter. Using the same engine throughout the Fiesta range would keep the price down and the 1.6 is lighter than the 2.0. It would be counter intuitive to go the route you suggested and use the Focus ST powertrain.
          Just made it up
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Matt
          2.0 is the smallest I'd go otherwise the off boost performance is not that great. With proper tuning, a good twin-scroll turbocharged 2.0 I4 can best even the new 5.0 Mustang GT V8 by as early as ~3000rpm. Supposedly that's turbo lag because everyone races between idle and 3000rpm only...... Properly tuned 2.0 I4 stock engine, stock turbo. Bolt ons and E85 tune. http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1216/img0401ur.jpg 2013 Steeda Mustang 5.0 V8. CAI & Tune http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7243/7198586272_2d28e7964c_c.jpg Observe from 3000rpm onwards how the little turbo 2.0 makes more torque and horsepower. In fact the mustang's horsepower curve is much slower to climb. I will be called a troll but look at the dyno sheets.... Imagine now that the car with this 2.0 I4 has AWD and snaps you back in the seat instead of spinning the tires. With HP and more importantly torque like this FWD will *not* work. Ford needs to build an RS so we can do this to an American car.... Imports can't have all the fun. These aren't wimpy little Honda motors as much as you guys try to act. This is a V8 powerband that shrinks into a little 2.0 for fuel economy under 3000rpm. It's year round fun. Keep the Mustang for the nice car shows and convertible down cruises for sunny days. There's room in the garage for two cars that have awesome performance. Ford's new Mustang is awesome and very competitive..... They can own the market by dominating the AWD boosted I4's as well. These are BMW/Audi/Porsche/Exotic owners who recognize a car that's worth nearly 40K. Stop worrying about the wing/looks/sound and see the performance it has. Ford please build this!
      breakfastburrito
      • 2 Years Ago
      Ford hates Americans. Always making good cars for everybody but us... Brits got the Escort Cosworth RS - best car made The U.S. Escort made the yugo feel upscale. Aussie's got the Falcon. A 4-door V8 supercar. U.S. got the Taurus. The car is too dull for librarians. Europe got the Sierra Cosworth RS. Street Legal racecar. We got a Merkur? Ugly rear windows, ugly name. Focus RS in Europe? Brilliant car. U.S. Focus? slow P.O.S., with the all-time record for recalls. The good Fords AREN'T coming here folks.
        HydraulicDragon
        • 2 Years Ago
        @breakfastburrito
        Open your eyes bro, new Ford's are pretty fantastic compared to 6 years ago.
          breakfastburrito
          • 2 Years Ago
          @HydraulicDragon
          Eyes are open. The Falcon is still in the V8 supercar series, destroys the new taurus in EVERY way, and I STILL can't buy one. you must be a shill for ford...
        aatbloke1967
        • 2 Years Ago
        @breakfastburrito
        The Merkur XR4Ti used the same shell as the mk1 Sierra XR4i. And the Escort RS Cosworth used the shell of a European Escort, but a shortened version of the Sierra's chassis.
      Dane Grant
      • 2 Years Ago
      I still don't see why they (Ford) cannot offer a Fiesta 3dr ST in the US... They could market as a premium hatch at about 24K.... maybe 26K... The only real difference between our Fiesta and the rest of the world is it's bumpers... Maybe they wouldn't make real money on the car, but you have to break a few eggs to make a good cake! Ford already has a better image then it did 10-15 years ago, this car would just bring it up to a new level like it does in Europe.... Import it from Germany!
        Dane Grant
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Dane Grant
        A Fiesta RS 3dr could carry a 30K price tag and I bet there are at least 5000 customers that would take one in the US... Import it from Germany!
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