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Vital Stats

Engine:
4.6L V8
Power:
385 HP / 333 LB-FT
Transmission:
6-Speed Auto
Drivetrain:
Rear-Wheel Drive
Curb Weight:
4,592 LBS
Seating:
2+2
Cargo:
16.7 CU FT
MPG:
16 City / 24 HWY
What A Difference A Year Makes



There was a point in time where if we read one more lede that started with "Hyundai sure is on a roll these days," we would have clawed our eyes out. Fact of the matter, though, is that those words were absolutely true. Hyundai has really come a long way here in the United States, especially in the past couple of years. And the only reason people have stopped writing about Hyundai's forward momentum is because, frankly, we expect nothing less now. Every new product blows the doors off of the one that came before it, and brand-new ventures like the Genesis line or funky-fresh Veloster are nothing short of impressive.

But every family has its black sheep, and unfortunately for Hyundai, that might be the largest one in its herd. You see, while Hyundai has worked hard to create a unique brand identity here in the United States by offering cars that are designed specifically with our market in mind, the Equus was simply a vehicle hauled over from Korea with a few minor Americanized tweaks. Don't get us wrong, the Equus is a plenty good car, and through its faults, we praised it in both our initial first drive and follow-up review as being a tremendous value that's pretty darn up to snuff with its competitive set. But over time, can something that's simply a good value work in the highly competitive full-size luxury set?

That in mind, we ordered a White Satin Pearl 2011 Hyundai Equus Ultimate for our long-term garage in order to see if after one year of day-to-day use, the big flagship would be able to stand tall with the rest of its Modern Hyundai kin, or simply be another budget-minded also-ran from the days of Old Hyundai. 52 weeks and 22,638 miles later, all we can say is, man, what a difference a year makes.

Everyone from young kids to full-size adults felt impeccably comfortable in the Hyundai's rear seats.

Our long-term car was a fully decked-out Equus Ultimate with an as-tested price of $65,400. The big win for the Ultimate package is the rear-seat setup, which ditches the bench of the Signature model for a pair of heated and cooled chairs (the passenger-side seat even offers a recline function with footrest as well as massaging) with a fixed center console complete with a DVD entertainment system, dual-zone rear climate control and a refrigerator, among other niceties.

This quickly became everyone's favorite spot in the Equus, with our passengers constantly getting a kick out of the sheer luxury offered with this setup. Everyone from young kids to full-size adults felt impeccably comfortable in the Hyundai's rear seats, and throughout the entire year, this feeling never faded. If we could change anything, as Associate Editor Jeff Sabatini noted, it'd be the addition of a one-touch button to bring the rear seats back to their default position. The other fault here is that when you fully recline the passenger-side seat, there isn't nearly enough legroom for full-size bodies, even when the front passenger seat moves forward. See what we mean in the video below.



Unfortunately, the front chairs were not met with compliments. If you've scanned through any of our monthly updates about the Equus, you're familiar with the seemingly endless complaints from staffers about the overinflated lumbar bulge of the driver's seat, which was bad enough at times that Editor-In-Chief John Neff nearly stuck a fork in the seat back to pop the lumbar support's air bladder. It wasn't until January 2011 that we finally resolved this problem, with the Hyundai dealer ruling our front seat defective and replacing the seat back free of charge.

Perhaps our biggest shock during the first few months of Equus 'ownership' was the sheer amount of questions and compliments the car got from people on the street, "many mistaking it for a much more expensive brand," Neff points out. "The interesting thing is about half of those people weren't surprised to find out that it's a Hyundai." Associate Editor Chris Shunk reiterates, "I got 'Is that a Lexus?' or 'That is a huge Buick,' but not once did anyone say, 'Is that a Hyundai?'" One person even mistook it for a Maserati while parked at a rest stop along Interstate 70 in Indiana. "The Equus was one of the most inquired-about-by-strangers cars I've driven in the last year or two," writes Executive Editor Chris Paukert. "I didn't expect that." None of us did.

2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term side view2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term front view2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term rear view

After a full year of use, the Equus' exterior showed nearly no signs of wear, though let it be known, there were two incidents in which body repairs needed to be made. During the summer months, the car fell victim to a number of scratches along the rear passenger side door (of the standard – and unreported – runaway shopping cart variety), and one of our drivers accidentally curbed the lower front lip near the driver's side fog light, severely gouging the lower fascia – enough to warrant a replacement. That ding set us back $699.25, but the aforementioned scratches were easily buffed out during one of the car's scheduled maintenance appointments.

Over the course of the year, the Equus visited four different Hyundai dealerships throughout Michigan and Ohio, with all of the appointments scheduled by the trick Apple iPad app. And while Hyundai no longer offers owners an iPad with the purchase of an Equus, it can still be downloaded free of charge. See how it works in the video below.



In total, our car was only out of service for 15 days, and each time, a loaner vehicle was delivered to our door. That's right – schedule a service appointment and the technicians will come get the car from you, free of charge.

Hyundai is the only automaker – luxury or otherwise – to offer this level of set-it-and-forget-it service to owners.

We'll admit, our first experience with the iPad app and Equus At Your Service program was a bit clumsy. It took us a few go-rounds to actually confirm that the appointment was scheduled and the dealership failed to show up on two occasions. After vowing to never use that dealer again, we received nothing but stellar service from the other Equus-authorized dealerships, and first-time problems aside, there's no arguing the fact that Hyundai is the only automaker – luxury or otherwise – to offer this level of set-it-and-forget-it service to owners.

The interior, on the other hand, didn't handle daily wear and tear as well. Around late June, we noticed that the tan leather on the driver's seat was starting to become worn and discolored, and this was only highlighted more after having the driver's seat back replaced. The contrast between the brand-new cowhide and 20,000-mile-worn leather was immediately obvious, though as Sabatini points out, "part of the problem may have just been the color combo. White/tan are about the worst shades for long-term wear, and this car was abused."

2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term interior2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term front seats2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term gauges2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term navigation system

That aside, we found the Equus to be comfortable, well-appointed and spacious, even though we weren't exactly in love with the overall refinement. "There's no getting around the fact that interior bits ranging from the seat leather to the switchgear to the navigation system aren't on par with those of cars like the Audi A8 and BMW 7 Series," Paukert notes, "But in all fairness, the pricing is much easier to swallow."

"This is not a driver's car, but even the worst full-size rear-wheel-drive luxury barge is still a pretty good daily driver."

During the summer months, the Equus saddled up for vacation road trip duty for a number of drivers. It "made a four-hour drive downright enjoyable in that the plethora of luxury features kept me comfortable and relaxed, the solid infotainment system kept me entertained and the adaptive cruise control made it unnecessary to even touch the gas or brake for hours at a time," praised AOL Autos Consumer Editor, Michael Zak. However, that easy-to-use infotainment system wasn't without fault. AOL Autos Editor-in-Chief, David Kiley, noted that when the DVD player was in use, you could not also use the normal radio/CD/MP3 audio functions. "With no headphones for the rear-seat kid occupants, it means if Spongebob is on the DVD player, everyone is listening to Spongebob." Yikes. (Wireless headsets are normally provided with the rear-seat DVD player, but our press car did not arrive so equipped.)

Long road trips really gave the Equus a chance to shine. "This is not a driver's car," notes Neff, "but even the worst full-size rear-wheel-drive luxury barge is still a pretty good daily driver." We found the 385-horsepower 4.6-liter V8 to have more than adequate power for all driving situations, its six-speed transmission firing off silky smooth shifts with little tendency to jump around between gears. Of course, the Equus has received a brand-new 429-hp 5.0-liter V8 and eight-speed auto for 2012, and we don't doubt that it's a welcome upgrade. Still, the 4.6-liter Tau engine was a solid powertrain and we never once experienced any sort of engine trouble.

2011 Hyundai Equus

Over the course of 52 weeks, we filled up the Equus a total of 79 times, with fuel stops costing as much as $73 for a fillup (thanks to the 20-gallon fuel tank). The EPA rates the Equus at 16/24/18 miles per gallon (city/highway/combined) and our observed average during the year was a cool 21.1 mpg. On our best behavior, we managed as high as 25.8 mpg during highway runs, and even at our worst, the lowest fuel economy on record was only 16.3 mpg. We chose to run the Equus on premium fuel if only for the added oomph of power. Drive the big Hyundai on 87 octane and the engine is only rated at 378 hp and 324 lb-ft.

Now, this next part still remains a point of contention amongst the Autoblog staff. When Sabatini picked up the car just before the end of 2011, he immediately noted that the front suspension was out of whack, though other editors assured him that the car had always driven that way.

"I found the wandering nature of the front end on the Equus deeply disturbing. I have replaced the ball joints on both my BMWs more than once, and when they get bad, it feels exactly like our Equus," writes Sabatini. During his time with the car, it went in for repair, and the dealership gave him a brand-new Equus as a loaner car, which he maintains didn't feel anything like our long-termer. "Since we've verified that normal cars don't have this problem, my concern then becomes our car needing a major suspension overhaul in just 20,000 miles. With a 3 Series, that's part of the price you pay for great steering and handling, but the Equus? Not hardly. Even in the new dealer loaner I had for a weekend, I was not impressed with the steering, which felt overboosted and vague, with little on-center feel."

2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term headlight2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term grille2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term wheel2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term taillight

During its time at the dealer, we had the service technicians check the front suspension components, and we were told that everything was up-to-spec and a-okay. Still, other drivers aside from Sabatini noted the Equus' tendency to pull to the left, and then to the right, and then to the left again. The jury's still out on if something really was wrong with our car, but the larger point here is that the Hyundai's incredibly vague steering and wafty nature could use a tune-up even though this isn't a driver's car.

The Equus' main selling factor is value – you can't beat that $59,000 base price.

Either way, the general driving quality of the Equus seemed to fade over the course of the year. The engine remained a real sweetheart through it all, but the car just didn't feel as solid and tight as it did when it first arrived. We understand that brakes degrade and suspension components wear, but in this segment, you'd be right to expect a car that still feels brand-new after under 23,000 miles of use. The Equus... didn't.

But again, the Equus' main selling factor is value – you can't beat that $59,000 base price, and some sacrifices are bound to be made. But in the full-size luxury segment, being thrifty isn't always a good thing.

2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term badge2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term logo2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term badge2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term badge

"The Equus is certainly a competent luxury vehicle," states AOL Autos Multimedia Director, Adam Morath. "It has all the bells and whistles to keep up in the ultra-luxury market at a significant discount when compared to competitors. However, it's precisely that selling proposition of affordability that presents a bit of a quandary. What are the motivating factors for buyers in this segment? Sure, nice appointments play a role, but that's really just the baseline. What it comes down to is exclusivity and brand recognition, and Equus falls well short in both those areas. In other words, when money is no object, why compromise?"

"I wouldn't be surprised if within a generation or two, the Equus noses up toward the front of the full-size luxury pack."

Morath wasn't the only one with these sentiments. Paukert adds, "Right now, the Equus feels like a decent car that's a very good value, when I suspect cross-shoppers of rival machines would rather have it the other way 'round."

So while the initial synopsis for the Equus was, as we wrote, "a set of leather-covered brass knuckles flying towards the jaws of Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz," it appears that it might take a bit longer than expected for those luxury punches to make an impact. Summed up by editor Paukert, "Given the swift learning curve of Korea Inc., I wouldn't be surprised if within a generation or two, the Equus noses up toward the front of the full-size luxury pack."

2011 Hyundai Equus Long-Term rear 3/4 view

Click here to read all of our monthly updates on the 2011 Hyundai Equus Ultimate.


Long-Term Stats

Odometer at arrival: 65
Odometer at departure: 22,748

Scheduled maintenance visits: 5
Non-scheduled maintenance visits: 2
Days out of service: 15
Out-of-pocket repair cost: $699.25

Number of fuel fill-ups: 79
EPA estimated fuel economy: 16/24/18 mpg (city/highway/combined)
Observed average fuel economy: 21.1 mpg
Best observed fuel economy: 25.8 mpg
Worst observed fuel economy: 16.3 mpg


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      bananapimpin
      • 2 Years Ago
      THANK YOU for switching your videos to YOUTUBE and not that horrible AOL one you had before with the 30 second ads. This new format is much better!! :)
      ctsmith1066
      • 2 Years Ago
      This was a good final article, and a fascinating exercise overall. It would be good to see this done with other cars as well (not just this boat and the lacklustre Jetta TDI).
      • 2 Years Ago
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        Email
        • 2 Years Ago
        Hyundai guarantees the value, if they didn't, you could not sell a used Hyundai.
      Zoom
      • 2 Years Ago
      Now, what is the year old Equus worth? $25k? $30k? A 50% depreciation hit in 1 year would not surprise me. I wouldn't pay $30k for your Equus.
        ruissimo
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Zoom
        Hyundai's guaranteed trade-in value for Equus: 50% up to 2.5 yrs, 45% up to 3 yrs, 41% up to 3.5 yrs, and 35% up to 4 yrs. That's off MSRP. The Genesis holds its value a little better than the Equus: 52%, 48%, 44%, 41%, respectivelly.
        Darius
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Zoom
        Edmunds also had a long term wrap up and this is what they said regarding resale value: "Most significant of all comparison points between these vehicles was resale value. Based on a private-party sale, Edmunds' TMV® Calculator showed that the Equus depreciated just 17 percent from its original MSRP. Under similar conditions the 528i and M56 depreciated 22 percent and 26 percent, respectively. Hyundai products have not traditionally fared well in the resale realm. So this is a big step in the right direction." http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/equus/2011/2011-hyundai-equus-long-term-test-wrap-up.html
        brian smith
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Zoom
        Funny you say that... I worked for BMW from 2004-2011 and the past year with Hyundai. the residual values have been holding up as well as BMW (if not better) and as far as we can see the ones that do go through the Auction (auction reports) the Equus is still pulling in the $42-$44k range and that is on a Signature edition which you can buy in the Low $50's...they are holding value. As for servicing them....not even close, Bmw has far more issues and concerns over the course of ownership (granted, there are a few more additional features that can create these with BMW).
        Darius
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Zoom
        Insideline also had their long term wrap up and had this to say about resale value: "Most significant of all comparison points between these vehicles was resale value. Based on a private-party sale, Edmunds' TMV® Calculator showed that the Equus depreciated just 17 percent from its original MSRP. Under similar conditions the 528i and M56 depreciated 22 percent and 26 percent, respectively. Hyundai products have not traditionally fared well in the resale realm. So this is a big step in the right direction." http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/equus/2011/2011-hyundai-equus-long-term-test-wrap-up.html
          NightFlight
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Darius
          I love how Darius was downrated for pointing out a fact from an actual source. Anti-Hyundai trolls have arrived.
          Darius
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Darius
          Then don't it's that simple
          Ilovecars
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Darius
          Nightflight, great point, WTF? :)
      • 2 Years Ago
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        MotionDesigner
        • 2 Years Ago
        Koreans are known for copying? Please give an example of what they are known for copying. And don't just give ONE [recent] example, since you seem to be implying that Koreans have been consistently doing this for a while. So... please explain what exactly they have copied. Truth is you're just being a bigot who wants to find any reason to justify your bigotry.
          Vince
          • 2 Years Ago
          @MotionDesigner
          I think Koreans copy too. But if you can't even see any similarity between a Civic coupe and a Kia Forte Koup (both 2010) then you're the one who's a bigot.
          MotionDesigner
          • 2 Years Ago
          @MotionDesigner
          Vince and leo, you're comparisons are ridiculous. A Civic Coupe and Forte Coupe? Sonata and MB CLS? Genesis and G35???? So basically anything that even looks REMOTELY familiar from a distance of maybe 100 yards is a knockoff copycat. And if you think these cars you mentioned are too similar, then you should think almost every car from every manufacturer, not just Hyundai/Kia, are copying everything from one another. Anything with four wheels and two headlights are copycats!
          RafaelN
          • 2 Years Ago
          @MotionDesigner
          Hyundai Veloster, Azera, Accent, Elentra, what do they look like? How about the Kia Optima? Those are unique designs. Not to mention a lot of car makers such as GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, etc are hiring Korean designers to design their cars. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121311527578861039.html & http://www.advancedtechnologykorea.com/?p=9108
        MotionDesigner
        • 2 Years Ago
        And btw your Lexus and Mercedes comparison is laughable. I'd never mistake the Equus for a Lexus LS or Mercedes Benz. You'd have to be partially blind to think they look alike.
        RafaelN
        • 2 Years Ago
        That's because the difference is Chinese companies blatantly steal designs. You see iphone & ipad ripoffs, car designs that look exactly the same. Korean cars may have some styling cues but they're not blatant ripoffs. Not to mention Korean designers are a hot commodity and many American, European, and Japanese auto makers are hiring them in bunches to design their cars. Chinese designers may be respectable in the future but at the moment they're not.
      Smiley
      • 2 Years Ago
      Who in their right mind would pay $65k for a knock off of a Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Bentley combined?
        tylermars.design
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Smiley
        "many mistaking it for a much more expensive brand," Neff points out. "The interesting thing is about half of those people weren't surprised to find out that it's a Hyundai." Associate Editor Chris Shunk reiterates, "I got 'Is that a Lexus?' or 'That is a huge Buick,' but not once did anyone say, 'Is that a Hyundai?'" Brand identity crisis. Hyundai will have this for a while until they get it together.
          Ilovecars
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          You might be right Darius, but keeping a stying theme the same for all hyundai's would probably hurt this car, not help it. They will have a harder time charging $60,000+ with the same fluidic sculpture design as a $15,000 elantra. It is the exact opposite for BMW which actually sells a ton of 3 series, and looks like it's 6 figure big brother, the 7 series. It is probably helping geneis/equus sales that people "don't know what it is" or think it's a lexus.
          Ilovecars
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          So let me get this straight. The Equus has no badge on the front of the car of any kind (give me one more example of a car other than the Genesis that has EVER done this). Either someone at Hyundai figured out that this was some new genius psychological marketing mind game that no other manufacturer has ever thought of (think of a macbook with no "apple" on it?), or they are trying to sell really expensive cars with the same badge as really cheap cars, and want to attract as little attention to that fact as possible. Why do you think Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Honda all go to so much trouble to rebadge and sell at a different dealership cars that are made on the same line as the Lincoln's, Cadillacs, Lexus's etc..? Add to the fact that they won't let you see the car next to other Hyundai's while shopping or even servicing them. It is an interesting approach, but it is very clear what they are doing.
          Darius
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          They got it together its called Fluidic Sculpture and the Genesis cars and Equus debuted before the design language debuted. The Equus is an old car having been out since 2009 in the rest of the world.
          Darius
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          How do you figure? the Fluidic Sculpture makes all of Hyundai's "cheap" cars look expensive so imagine how it could look for a car that actually was expensive. The Santa Fe rendering shows it to be very expensive looking.
          Darius
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          Good sir not many other "luxury" car companies even come to YOUR house to show you a brand new car or even pick your car up from your house to get serviced and provide you another luxury car in the process. And it is called marketing. Have the public take a long good look at the car to try and find out what it is only to reveal that it is Hyundai that just made the luxury car that you have been staring at. Also if you don't like it have Genesis or Equus badges put on the car by the dealer since that is what both cars are called.
          Ilovecars
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tylermars.design
          You are correct in stating that Hyundai does a great job of making it's cheap cars look more expensive with it's design language. But Hyundai is allready partially ashamed of itself by having no Hyundai badge on the front of either the Genesis/Equus and trying to sell them by having a salesman come to your house so you do not see it in a showroom with a janitor looking at a $12,000 Accent next to you. I think giving it the same grill as that Accent would not help their sales! Until they break away with a seperate brand like Lexus, Acura, etc..., they will con't to distance these two models to be a "brand within a brand".
        benzaholic
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Smiley
        I'm sorry. What's the price on an LS, a 7 series, an S Class, or an A8 these days? (Ignoring the Bentley mention, since I doubt even anyone in Korea thinks the Genesis can snag prospective Bentley buyers.) And that's how much more than 65K? Oh, THAT much more.
          kezeka
          • 2 Years Ago
          @benzaholic
          Equus - $59,000 LS - $67,000 7 series - $71,000 XJ - $74,000 A8 - $78,750 S Class - $92,000 I would definitely choose an LS over a hyundai with unproven mechanical quality and reliability for an extra $8,000. A lot of people only look at the gadgets within the hyundais and how many more check boxes they have on a form - not many appear to actually be test driving them because the quality of materials is STILL not up to japanese or european standards. From what I have gathered, they engineer their cars to impress buyers but nothing more (especially not to the level of overengineering found in Lexus - where every button has the same exact feel and makes the same noise). Additionally, next time you make a claim I would personally appreciate it if you cited a source. These values are cited from the manufacturers US based websites.
      Ed
      • 2 Years Ago
      If you have $65,000, why the hell would you spend it on a bogus luxury car?
        brian
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Ed
        Because Lincoln doesn't built TownCars anymore?
      SloopJohnB
      • 2 Years Ago
      The wear out at 23K miles is troublesome....$65K was the MSRP on a 2002 Audi S6.....and 100K on an S6 is just broken in....
      rmkensington
      • 2 Years Ago
      They really need to step up the front end on this car. Its just hideous. BMW and Mercedes both have very nice front ends on their cars. Especially the newer mercedes. Having suspension issues on any car with 20k miles is unacceptable.
        fly by wireless
        • 2 Years Ago
        @rmkensington
        BMW has a nice front end? Since when? Their front ends have gotten more and more hideous since Bangle started there. Now they look like snub nosed bulldogs. Benz actually does have good looking cars these days, no argument there.
          kezeka
          • 2 Years Ago
          @fly by wireless
          Bangle no longer works at BMW.
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      FLUIDJ
      • 2 Years Ago
      Dude....WASH YOUR JEANS!!! sheeeeesh...
        merlot066
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FLUIDJ
        You may have noticed that in addition to being dirty they seat cushions are worn out. Washing your jeans or wiping them with Meguiars isn't going to make the foam spring back to the right shape.
        Jeff Tripp
        • 2 Years Ago
        @FLUIDJ
        I know! I was thinking while I was watching that video that here they've complained about the stained light interior, and the dude is wearing jeans that look like were just worn while kneeling in the garden.
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