Most days, California must seem like Kazakhstan for the Big Three. Domestic products aren't so popular out West, where Toyota and Honda have long stood atop the sales charts. But not in 2011.

According to a report in Automotive News, both General Motors and Ford managed to bump Honda from its silver medal position in 2011, though Toyota still holds a commanding market share lead. In a storyline we've heard before, the twin natural disasters in Asia curbed Japanese production, causing a 4.5 point loss of market share. Toyota's market share dropped from 22.8 to 19.2 percent, while GM and Ford tied at 12.6 percent – ahead of Honda at 12.1.

Booming sales in the Golden State helped the domestics to their 1.8 point gain. New vehicle registrations in California were up 9.9 percent, according to the report. The biggest sales gains last year were made by Kia and Jeep, which were up 53 and 49 percent, respectively.


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        Bret Frohwein
        • 2 Years Ago
        the ridgeline sells in the hundreds every month.. except December 2011/jan 2012 where they managed to push out nearly 1500/1300 (thank you major Honda sale). it's a nice truck-like car and the idea is nice.. but with a base price of 30 grand it's priced rather far above its full sized brethren.
          MAX
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Bret Frohwein
          The Ridgeline is a MINIVAN!!!!! Which is good and bad.
        Niels Marienlund
        • 2 Years Ago
        The Ridgeline? Are you serious? That wouldn't put a door ding in F-150, Silverado, Ram, and even Tundra sales. I see maybe one Ridgeline every two weeks down here in the Bay Area.
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          @Niels Marienlund
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          Mitch Rodia
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Niels Marienlund
          I actually see a ton of Ridgelines in the Northern VA, DC metro area. Weird how it can be such a drastic difference...
        Justin Campanale
        • 2 Years Ago
        Troll somewhere else, GUA.
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          @Justin Campanale
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          @Justin Campanale
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          Justin Campanale
          • 2 Years Ago
          @Justin Campanale
          Just because we're both trying to talk sense into this disgusting troll doesn't mean we're the same person. I know, shocking.
        Zoom
        • 2 Years Ago
        Ridgeline, no. Accord, yes.
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          @Zoom
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          @Zoom
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        LUSTSTANG S-197
        • 2 Years Ago
        What are you talking about? Are you retarded or high? The Ridgeline is going to be the big game changer? You must be some Nostradamus because one would never know given its sales. The Ridgeline is not going to change anything, and given the stiff competition these days, I am not so sure the Accord will either. The 80s and 90s are over my friend. There's a lot more players in the game today. Accept it, and come to appreciate it because competition is great from the consumer's standpoint.
      Ali Zein Yousuf
      • 2 Years Ago
      Well, its pretty simple really... the foreign cars suck currently. Their gas mileage is on par with domestic offerings, price in the same range, but they are just patently boring. Ford's designs are truly beautiful, and Chevy is doing very interesting things with the eco models, plus their trucks are phenomenal as always. As much as I despise Chrysler, I would have one of their products currently way before I had a Toyota or a Honda. Basically, most of the foreign automakers are not raising my pulse. Not counting Hyundai and the Germans, everyone else's cars are boring.
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        guyverfanboy
        • 2 Years Ago
        You mean Chysler's Jeep Wrangler? Chrysler is an American company majority owned by an Italian automaker. Big difference.
          LUSTSTANG S-197
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          @guyverfanboy
          Acura is Honda, started by Honda, a Japanese company. Fiat never founded Chrysler, only bought 58% share of it. Acura is to Honda what Cadillac, and Buick are to GM.
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          spy4
          • 2 Years Ago
          @guyverfanboy
          But ACURA started in the USA, so using the Detroit fanboy argument, Acura is AMERICAN.
          guyverfanboy
          • 2 Years Ago
          @guyverfanboy
          No, Honda North America is Honda's American subsidiary, but it never started off as solely an American company that was bought (or majority owned) by a foreign entity.
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        Justin Campanale
        • 2 Years Ago
        Oh look, it's INVISIBLEBLOG!!! According to your logic, Land Rover is Indian, Volvo is Chinese, and Nissan is French,
        LUSTSTANG S-197
        • 2 Years Ago
        What are you trying to prove by brining up the same tired argument? It's been explained a thousand times on here. If you don't understand how 58% of an American company can be owned by an Italian one, that's fine as I understand it's over some people's heads. Just do us, and yourself, a favor and refrain from commenting on something you cannot understand.
      Hazdaz
      • 2 Years Ago
      If the Domestics can gain market share in a discriminating market such as CA, then you know they are FINALLY doing something right (even if part of that comes from weakened competition due to natural disasters and limited supplies of some foreign cars). I can't really blame many CA residents for having moved away from Ford and GM over of the years - truth be told, their products were sh!t and piss poor sales in places like CA were the results. In other parts of the country, blind-patriotism kept sales of Detroit's cars high, but it also essentially rewarded inferior products simply because they were "American". That did not do any favors to Detroit in the long-run because they just kept on churning that their crap for years and decades at a time until the sh!t really hit the fan over the last couple of years and it was clear that Detroit could absolutely not continue what they have been doing since the late 70s. Winning back sales in a place like CA is pretty big news and it should be seen as affirmation that Detroit latest cars are indeed ready to go up against the best cars on the market in most categories.
        tipdrip215
        • 2 Years Ago
        @Hazdaz
        You know things have been shaken up in the automobile world when Honda loses market share in California.
          spy4
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tipdrip215
          No, the earthquake was NOT over a year ago. And the flooded Honda factory in Thailand that makes electronics for so many of Honda's components is still not back in production. You Detroit fanboys are desperate to eek out a win. I'm going to laugh as this year proves it was the natural disasters that killed sales. Look at GM in January, already down as Toyota and Honda production are just now returning to normal.
          LUSTSTANG S-197
          • 2 Years Ago
          @tipdrip215
          Oh no, not that excuse again. Newsflash, the tsunami was only a year ago. The trends we are seeing now have been going on for at least two years.
          LUSTSTANG S-197
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          @tipdrip215
          Spy Apparently you misread my post, and jumped to conclusions, in typical fanboy fashion. The Domestics have been on a role, while Honda and Toyota have been going down. Look at the new Civic. I would not be caught dead in it, and Toyota's current lineup is about as exciting as a cinderblock wall. Even Subaru's designs have taken a turn for the worst. The only thing interesting coming out of Japan these days is Nissan. Give credit where it is due, and stop being such a traitor!!
      Quen47
      • 2 Years Ago
      I live in San Francisco, and before that lived in Portland. I have noticed the increase in domestics around my neighborhood and while the supply problems in Japan are certainly playing a role, the fact is that the domestics are for the first time in years making genuinely excellent B and C class cars and small crossovers that suit us Golden State city dwellers. I've seen tons of Fiestas, Focuses (Foci?), Cruizes. and Traverses around. With the Sonic, new Escape, and Dart all on the way, this is likely to continue. Maybe the old Ford dealership on Van Ness will even reopen.
        Bret Frohwein
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        @Quen47
        Maybe Ellis Brooks will revert back to a Chevy dealer...
        tipdrip215
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        @Quen47
        I don't think the Big 3 ever made truly good B and C segment cars before the past couple of years, simply because saw no reason why they had to stand out. Now that the days of sub-$3 gas are over, they have to be good products and they have to make money off of them. Check the boxes of both of those.
      spy4
      • 2 Years Ago
      Well duh. The earthquakes killed supply of many of their popular models. 2012 will see a huge drop in "domestic" sales.
        Basil Exposition
        • 2 Years Ago
        @spy4
        Yup. Keep blaming it on that.
        LUSTSTANG S-197
        • 2 Years Ago
        @spy4
        While the earthquakes and tsunamis didn't help, they are not the only reason for domestic sales. Give credit where it is due. GM, Ford, and Chrysler are designing better products. The Big 3 and the Koreans have caught up with the Japanese. Honda and Toyota need to get back to doing what made them great in the first place. Honda's awkward designs and Toyota's bland lineup have turned people off.
          spy4
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          @LUSTSTANG S-197
          Give credit to Chrysler. Chrysler is now Italian, therefore IMPORT.
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        LUSTSTANG S-197
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        No, Fiat brand is Italian. Chrysler brand is domestic, headquartered in Auburn Hills Michigan.
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          @LUSTSTANG S-197
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          LUSTSTANG S-197
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          @LUSTSTANG S-197
          Ah yes you see that hasn't happened, and will not happen. That would be dumb, given Chrysler's name recognition in the North American market far exceeds that of Fiat. So, at least we finally agree on something, that Chrysler is an American brand.
          spy4
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          @LUSTSTANG S-197
          Then that's like the Acura brand headquarted in the USA too, right. Did they count the Acuras as domestics?
      Justin Campanale
      • 2 Years Ago
      So let's see here. Hyunndai and the Americans are turning around and are starting to make respectable products after being laughed at until the later half of the 2000's. Toyota and Honda appear to have realized their mistakes, and the other Japanese automakers (except for Mitsubishi) and the Germans have been making good cars for quite a while. These are some of the best days to be a car enthusiast.
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        @Justin Campanale
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          spy4
          • 2 Years Ago
          Jacel, you are looking at "spec" sheets. In all comparisons, Hyundais fail miserably to last place. They do not live up to their EPA claims, nor performance claims. Go look at the recent Motortrend, caranddriver, et al comparisons. The Sonata turbo is an absolute dog compared to the V6 Camry and Passat. The Sonata hybrid is really sad too when compared to the Passat diesel and the Camry hybrid. Hyundia spec sheets don't live up to snuff in the real world.
        tipdrip215
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        @Justin Campanale
        Until they get more interesting products out, the jury is still out on Honda. The NSX has proven absolutely nothing to me personally, especially since it's 2 years away from looking anything close to realistic.
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      viperbono
      • 2 Years Ago
      GO DOMESTICS!
      MAX
      • 2 Years Ago
      MIGHTY MOPAR is making inroads everywhere. MOPAR has gone worldwide. Dart's gone viral. A new Cherokee is on the way with the choice of Pentastar or Tigershark power with a 9 speed ZF. Pentastar Ram with the ZF 8 speed automatic will have better gas mileage than a Tacoma V6. Wrangler has highest resale value of any mass produced vehicle.
        guyverfanboy
        • 2 Years Ago
        @MAX
        9-speed ZF is for FWD. 8-speed ZF is for RWD & 4WD. The Cherokee is more likely to 2.8 and/or 3.0 CRD over a Tigershark engine.
        LUSTSTANG S-197
        • 2 Years Ago
        @MAX
        Where did you hear about a new Cherokee being on the way? I want to believe you, but don't see anything to back up that claim.
          billfrombuckhead
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          @LUSTSTANG S-197
          JUST GOOGLE MARCHIONNE AND TOLEDO OHIO ABOUT THE UPCOMING C-EVO CHEROKEE
        spy4
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        @MAX
        Bill/MAX, You are bragging about Mighty Mopar the Italian IMPORT ins a thread about "domestics".
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