Four of General Motors' full-size truck plants, three of them in the U.S., will go intermittently silent for a total of 21 weeks in order to retool for 2013 model year production. The Fort Wayne, Indiana and Flint, Michigan plants have both been in the news lately as recipients of multi-million dollar investments for just this purpose.

Fort Wayne will shut down for nine weeks over the course of 10 months, from January to October of 2012, while Flint will stop production for seven weeks from June to November, and the Arlington, Texas facility will be quiet from June to December for five weeks. The Mexico plant in Silao will find out its shut-down schedule next year. GM has been stockpiling a 90-day supply of its Silverado and Sierra pickups to make up for the loss of production.

When the 2013 models arrive, unconfirmed reports indicate we can expect a new forced-induction V6, the continuation of the 5.3- and 6.0-liter V8s, and the 6.2-liter V8 going into the heavy-duty versions exclusively.


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      mitytitywhitey
      • 3 Years Ago
      My guess is an FI-6 would be a best seller for GM as well. And my second guess is that once either Chevy or Ram offer a turbo-6, the HP / torque wars will start with the FI engines, further rendering the NA engines obsolete. Very easy to get decent power out of turbocharged engines while maintaining off-boost economy. And the weakest link in a truck will still be the transmission, transfer case. Gearing will protect these engines from any undue stresses, even at over 400hp. I look forward to the competition!
      nitrostreet
      • 3 Years Ago
      Reading the comments you'd think the turbo had some kind of advantage over the Chevy V8, but in reality it has none. This is also not even considering that putting direct injection on the Chevy V8 will offer even better MPG as well as power, which it will. In 2wd trim the V6 turbo has 1 MPG advantage in the city, on the highway the V6 has no MPG advantage VS the Chevy 5.3 XFE http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31438&id=31439&id=32116&id=32115 In 4WD trim the V6 has no advantage in MPG http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31450&id=31447&id=32123&id=32124 If still not convinced then try the Hybrid version of Chevy's truck, which offers a 3 to 4 MPG advantage over the turbo V6 in all trims; 2WD and 4WD, while also offering the 6.0L power. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31855&id=31862&id=32115&id=32124
        TruthHertz
        • 3 Years Ago
        @nitrostreet
        You state 1 MPG difference, but you are talking about a vehicle that doesn't get very good gas mileage in relation to a passenger car. You have fallen victim to the ignorance of our fuel economy system. If a truck averages 16 mpg overall and gets 17 mpg with a different engine, that's roughly a 6 percent difference in fuel economy. Over the course of 200,000 miles (and most trucks last much longer) the vehicle with the better engine would yield over $2,000 in savings. In contrast someone looking at a compact that gets 38 mpg and pays extra to get 40 mpg might have to think twice. A 2 MPG difference. The savings there, while being about 5%, are actually smaller because less fuel is used to begin with. Only about $800 over 200,000 miles. So if a fuel economy package costs more than that, you may not be saving much of anything in your wallet. P.S. I know plenty of people with Ecoboost trucks in a fleet that say they are getting far superior mileage than they every got with the old modular engines or the new 5.0L. It's how you drive it. If you are constantly in boost, you have the ability to burn more gas.
          nitrostreet
          • 3 Years Ago
          @TruthHertz
          You may not have read my entire post because if you're after mileage in your truck the 6.0 Hybrid gets 3 to 4 MPG's better than the ecoboost. And also like I said this is not even considering the direct injection that Chevy is going to be putting on their V8's I believe with this plant changeover. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=31855&id=31862&id=32115&id=32124
      FriskyDingo
      • 3 Years Ago
      The unconfirmed reports are wrong. There is no FI V6 for sure on the table at the moment. And the displacement of the V8's will change. That's all I can say.
        Luke
        • 3 Years Ago
        @FriskyDingo
        "And the displacement of the V8's will change" Really? GM confirmed that the 5.3L would carry over. So...unless they're talking out of both sides of their mouth.....
      clquake
      • 3 Years Ago
      The headline made me think that each plant would be idle for 21 weeks. I was wondering why it would take over 5 months to retool a plant.
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        caddy-v
        • 3 Years Ago
        I'll bet you walk around with a giant "L" stamped on your forehead.
        Knox
        • 3 Years Ago
        I can't say that I completely agree with with your artless bombast. However, everyone I know (myself included) with current model GM trucks has had door handles break. Also, most have had trouble with the power door locks.
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Knox
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          Luke
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Knox
          @Knox: It's obvious that the GM interiors are not as good as the Dodge and Ford interiors. Look at the dash: The GM is a singe stamped piece. Even the vents are nothing more than a stamped out mold with the vents being the only separate piece. The Dodge, and Ford in particular, use several different pieces, breaking up the dash, with multiple 'layers' and textures. And sitting in the back seat of a GM? Unless you're a kid, good luck. When they going to stretch that cab...?
      rrraptorfan
      • 3 Years Ago
      Stockpiling?? OH Please!!!!!! When you have the highest or nearly the highest incentives of any major manufacturer for the last few years and your truck inventory just continues to rise---- that’s not called stockpiling! It’s called poor demand and over-production. To get inventories back in line it appears 21+ weeks for each plant would be much more appropriate. I wonder what the PR department is going to call it when we elect a new Government Motors president here in November and he finds that there is a 2 year supply of Volts on hand. Was GM just stockpiling so that the Volt can be sold for another two years after the plug is finally pulled? Public relations departments are great, but when their main function becomes lying to the public, I have no use for them.
        caddy-v
        • 3 Years Ago
        @rrraptorfan
        Could you possibly be that dumb to have no concept of what it takes to bring out a complete new redesign? If so, perhaps you belong on a blog that has nothing to do with cars. Try the "Lawnchairblog".
          caddy-v
          • 3 Years Ago
          @caddy-v
          Your full of it Luke, chevy's incentives go up to $2500, Ford at $1500, Ram is 0%/60 and the rust bucket Tundra is, never mind, there's no interest there. I wish they did have 5g's off, I need to replace 3 aging trucks before the spring construction season begins. I'd jump on that with both feet. I can't imagine why it's so hard for someone to comprehend how production will cease to retool and during that time they need an inventory to sell. EVERY MAKER does it. It's no big deal.
          Danaon
          • 3 Years Ago
          @caddy-v
          GM isn't giving anything away. They long ago (years, in fact) amortized the cost of development for their GMT900s, trucks, and current gen LS engines. They can give steep discounts because all they have to pay for is materials + labor. It isn't like other manufacturers don't do the same thing, my grandfather bought a 2010 F150 with $9.5k on the hood just a year ago.
          rrraptorfan
          • 3 Years Ago
          @caddy-v
          Just a tip. Next time you scroll through your employer’s pre-written replies, make sure you pick one that applies to the comment. I was talking about inventories not “complete new redesign”. Otherwise you’ll appear to be a serial poster.
          Luke
          • 3 Years Ago
          @caddy-v
          @caddy: One should not throw stones from a glass house. Triple-r makes a valid point that you conveniently ignore: GM is having to GIVE their trucks away with huge incentives right now: as much as $5,005 (compared to Ford's max of $3500 and that's only in the SW--$1500/truck*250k+ trucks=$$$$$$$$$$$). I can't imagine that they'd need to have many trucks to fill that 90-day requirement.
          TruthHertz
          • 3 Years Ago
          @caddy-v
          And that had nothing to do with the fact that the 2011 models were coming out with brand new engines that owned the old ones in every scenario. Why buy a 2010 if the 2011 is that much better. Oh, it's because they took an extra chunk off the price...
        Peter
        • 3 Years Ago
        @rrraptorfan
        Opps, Sorry. Hit the wrong button. I meant to up vote your comments.
      Luke
      • 3 Years Ago
      GM is NUTS to keep that 5.3L V8. IF they are coming up with an EB-fighter, they're going to need another V8 that can out perform Ford's V6...and I'm not talking the EcoBoost...to keep those that are of the 'no replacement for displacement' school. They've really been caught with their pants down here...and you'd think with all those debts magically erased they'd have some money to throw into RnD of a new V8. Guess not. You can -1 me all you want, but how can you justify having the weakest engine lineup of any competitive full-size truck manufacturer when you're the largest automaker in the country...with little to no debt? Does not make sense. Wouldn't surprise me to see Ram catch GM for 2nd in trucks at the rate they're going.
        Mr Clickerson
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Luke
        I have no idea where you guys are getting your information, because the 2011 5.3 bests the 3.7 in both power and torque, and its all lower in the RPM range, while the 3.7 gets only slightly better fuel mileage. Granted, Chevy could do better with their engine lineup, but the auto industry has always been a competition of one upping each other. Ford just recently one upped Chevy, expect the same thing in a year or so from them...
        TruthHertz
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Luke
        Dodge Hemi - Born 2003 model year Ford - All new engines 2011 model year Toyota - New engine for 2006 model year Nissan - New engine for 2004 model year GM - Minor tweaks in technology and materials since 1997 (LS engine) And as Luke stated, Ford's 3.7L naturally aspirated V6 bests or meets Chevy's 5.3L V8 in most every test while returning better fuel economy. The sad part is that the 6.0L and 6.2L are both not available right now on the Silverado (as far as I know). That means Ford's base engine is on par or better than Chevy's entire lineup. The Ford also doesn't come with drum brakes. Potential buyers are then forced to look at a Sierra which isn't styled as well as a Chevy in my opinion.
          Frisky_Dingo
          • 3 Years Ago
          @TruthHertz
          What on earth are you talking about?? The 5.3 demolishes the 3.7 in every real world aspect apart from.mileage, which itself is very close. And the 6.2 is indeed available in the 1500. As for the claims of their inferiority compares to Ford's EcoBoost, maybe in power, but it remains to be seen his they hold up in the long term. Whether people like it or not, the 5.3 is a solid, proven engine. Why fix what isn't broken?? The engine family is receiving updates that will again make them fully competitive with Ford's. Let's wait until they're out before jumping to any conclusions.
      TruthHertz
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'll settle for a V6 that isn't based on a V8 circa the mid 50's.
      Kevin Holden
      • 3 Years Ago
      LOL!! Lets put turbos on our engine really fast with no R&D and try to perform with Ford. Bwahahahahaha, good luck with that crap. We all know the horrid QC GM has and how they let customers "test" their vehicles lol.
      Dean Hammond
      • 3 Years Ago
      All of the Big three make great trucks, and the competition is constantly making them better, I will say this though, I see mention of a forced induction V6, it will be interesting to see the GM lads perform flip flops after they get off the Ford bashing sites after stating the eco engines suck, are unreliable ( a fallacy ) yadda yadda yadda....this reaction by GM underlines the fact it was initially a brilliant, albeit, risky decision.
        mitytitywhitey
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        Accidentally voted you down. Your comment is valid, my fingers are too fat for a touch screen!
        Danaon
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dean Hammond
        There's no FI v6 planned for GM's trucks. The next gen smallblocks will be out shortly with the new truck coming basically at the same time. GM's current v8s are still pretty competitive on fuel economy. With the addition of DI and several other improvements they will leapfrog Ford. I don't know why everyone always panics, this happens over and over again: x company comes out with new product, then y company comes out with a newer product that's better. It's called competition.
      jimbo1350
      • 3 Years Ago
      Any day I can walk in and buy a new pickup for 8-10k off of MSRP is a good day. If its a stockpiled 2011 or oversupplied 2011, it really doesn't matter.
        merlot066
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jimbo1350
        Well Chevy has either 72 months with 0% financing and $500 off, or a $4500 rebate. I'm sure you could talk the dealer down a lot more if you're either buying a higher trim or a fleet.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jimbo1350
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      TruthHertz
      • 3 Years Ago
      Everyone on here, let 's not forget the mechanical abortion that was the turbo 2.8L V6 in the Cadillac SRX. Brand new cars on flat beds. It was such a great engine that it only lasted one model year. GM cited poor sales as the reason. More than likely it was poor sales due to people hearing about all the issues and being leery of a Saab engineered turbo application. Look how well Saab is doing right now.
        nitrostreet
        • 3 Years Ago
        @TruthHertz
        Let's also not forget the problems Ford has with the turbos on their diesels, simply Google "Ford diesel turbo" and it will automatically fill in "problems", and give you pages of people having problems with those. You may want to cross your fingers and hope the Ecoboost doesn't turn into another one of those.......
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